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waja2000
post Sep 4 2015, 01:51 PM

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well UAE coastline just 1/5 of malaysia, also ambition to get Mistral.
they really look Modernization the military capability.
our so long coastline also people said no need mistral.
anyway still depend on politic will.

lasted news on Mistral


UAE Confirms Interest in Mistral Ship
By Awad Mustafa 4:26 p.m. EDT September 3, 2015

DUBAI — A United Arab Emirates government official has confirmed to Defense News the government's interest in acquiring one of two French Mistral-class amphibious assault ships originally ordered by Russia in 2011.

The contract for the two ships was terminated after Russia halted payments for the ships following the European sanctions imposed on the country for its involvement in the Ukraine crisis. France paid Russia more than US $1 billion in compensation for the non-delivery.

"Our interest in purchasing the ship is real, it fulfils the capability requirements for our forces," the government source said. "The Mistral ships are in line with our equipment and capabilities."

A report published Wednesday by Russian-language newspaper Moskovsky Komsomolets quoted Russian military sources stating that Russia has given France the green light to sell the two helicopter carriers to Egypt and the UAE.

Russian Arabic-language television channel Russia Today quoted presidency spokesperson Dmitry Peskov as saying that his country hopes France, now free to use the ships after settling its dues, would take Russian interests into account when reselling the warships to a third party.

According to unnamed Russian sources close to the deal quoted by Moskovsky Komsomolets, Egypt will purchase the ship with direct Russian financial support and would also have to commit to the purchase of a number of Russian Ka-52 helicopters.

"If this deal goes through, for Russia it is very advantageous, since the loan is in fact a trademark: a large consignment of helicopters will be based at our Russian defense industry, taxes will go into our budget, and the borrower does not receive the money but the product — helicopters made in Russia," the source was quoted.

The UAE official did not confirm whether the deals were reached at the MAKS 2015 airshow in Moscow last week. No Egyptian officials were immediately available to comment.

http://www.defensenews.com/story/breaking-...rates/71651330/
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post Sep 4 2015, 01:57 PM

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QUOTE(thpace @ Sep 4 2015, 01:31 PM)
All the while using labuan airport and sometime kk airport.. not surprisingly also.

Now only want to.make news
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maybe ask US to give 1 P8, than we buy 1 so total 2.
or US sponsor 2 unit B737 we pay integration P8 system cost。2 unit B737-700 only about usd 120+ million (militry empty interior version) biggrin.gif

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post Sep 4 2015, 05:06 PM

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QUOTE(titarium @ Sep 4 2015, 03:50 PM)
France sell is as LHD ; or FRANCE market it as LHD

Mistral is also known as an Assault Ship , quoting from Wiki Capacity (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mistral-class_amphibious_assault_ship) :
- 59 vehicles (including 13 AMX Leclerc tanks) or a 40-strong Leclerc tank battalion
- 16 heavy or 35 light helicopters
- Support Craft : 4 CTM / 2 LCAC

In current context of Malaysia  , it would only be use as a recovery mission or transportation from EAST to West which requires such ships .
- Recovery mission usually head by UN or Big Country they have funds to do so
- Transport can just use Commercial Liner

The main function of this Ship of such class :
1) First establish as a HQ/Home Base off shore
2) send in the Heli for recon
3) deploy support craft
4) follow by Landing Craft with Tanks/APC/IFV
5) Air Support from Helicopters
5) take over the shore & beach 

MY isn't actively engaging this activity , unless wanted to counter terrorist & pirates at their home base !

But back to square 1 , when country is poor don't spend too much on defense , buy what is necessary ,  the same amount of money rather spend on Patrol Vessel + New Helicopters for Coastal defense especially for Sabah & Straits of MLK  to counter piracy (now this is a real threat) .

If Malaysia is Rich buying an Aircraft Carrier is not even an issue , currently maintaining the destroyer also faces financial constrain , buying replacement craft for Mig 29 had been postponing for such a long period clearly indicates that the Defense Ministry is tight on budget, moreover any contract that isn't sign 2 years back (or more) had just increase at least 20% in price .

Btw MY Navy doubt owning >20 Heli , buying Mistral also means need to buy at least another 10 Helis -> else what's the purpose of buying this LHD ?

As of now, I would support more Patrol Vessel + Heli than getting Mistral as a LHD ( but actually is still an assault vessel) .
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well depend how you look,
mission can be planning,so many role can be use in Mistral,
well we need LHD/LDP to enhance our logistic between sabah/sarawak and UN mission,
Helicopter can add step by step no issue. starting just need 2 unit helicopter will be fine. went mission needed, other arm like TUDM/Army/MMEA helicopter can park for Join mission.
In piece time no issue to wait Commercial ship, but went contingency happen case like large rescue in sea, flood, or military need send armoured vehicles/ MBT /logistic, which no time wait Commercial Liner, and many to listed ....
also last year we already order 6 more Gowind Patrol Vessel with cost usd 3 billion .... average each at 500 million.
we no need so much LDP/LDP, compare to warship. one unit cost not much different with warship we buy。we just need 1-2 unit.
currently TLDM 2 unit Auxiliary ship already more than 30 year and run max, than due to old serviceability also drop.
TLDM already summit proposal for 6 ASW helicopter。
we also no have Destroyer.
more importantly the LHD not pay 1 short, it will divided to multiple year re-payment, if really want sell to as.
we also keep built new warship from kedah class to Gowind class, but not forgot logistic requirement too. navy required multiple type of ship to run operation.

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post Sep 4 2015, 05:15 PM

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QUOTE(James831 @ Sep 4 2015, 05:10 PM)
Speaking of missile corvettes , what happen to the 6 missile corvettes from korea? Gone case liao????
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pending,not get approval in RMK-11.
but not sure will get special funding or not.
btw, i rather use funding to replace our current 40 year 260 tons 10 unit fac/gun boat to new 500 tons patrol boat.
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post Sep 4 2015, 05:21 PM

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QUOTE(Dreadstar @ Sep 4 2015, 04:39 PM)
USA got biatch in SEA the pinoy. why need malaysia ?
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our side more close to South China Sea specially spratly islands.
2nd get malaysia under US team/control
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post Sep 4 2015, 08:30 PM

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QUOTE(titarium @ Sep 4 2015, 06:12 PM)
Please dont link someone to any opposition member if they oppose an idea. My stand was base on necessity and current financial situation .

Bare in mind there's a difference of TUDM & TLDM , Few things need to point out :
-   Heli to use on LHD have to take on strong wind and have higher shock & vibration requirement while landing on choppy waters or even stormy waters , so TUDM's craft may no be applicable for TLDM (Navy)
-   Mil don't buy a vessel ( carrier / LHD) then fill up on a later stage due to budget constrain , there must be budget for Helis in place for Mistral
-  Mistral is TLDM's business so TUDM discuss seperately.

The number of Patrol Vessel should be in the >20s figure ,to have a close guard on Malaysia coastal lines.
Naming any vessel doesn't prove anything , and referring to destroyer you mean frigates ? (my mistake on this)
While raising question on happenings on Sea of Sulu and Spratly Island , in point of modern war fare getting a Mistral especially for Spratly Island is intimidating , as for the pirates getting Mistral means to dock and clean their home base else why you need Vessel which can carry 40-60 APC/MBT/IFV for ?
Buying a Mistral now also give reason for SG to purchase an aircraft carrier , they have the money and they have surplus of aircraft (Don't know where to place !! ) , further more with their deal on F-35 (undelivered) means buying an aircraft carrier will just raise the the bar higher.
My point is Mistral isn't the priority there are other requirement which need to full fill, before getting such a size of LHD/MPSS/MRSS class of vessel , Fill up the other necessity , TLDM is crying for more advance and complete equipped vessels , more helis to serve their coastal requirement , not a Mistral to show of strength and power to our neighbors especially in time where deficit is hitting hard.
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add to atreyuangel
Mistral as LHD so platfrom capability to join operation from different unit like TUDM, TDM, MMEA even other country defense helicopter during join operation
this reason we wan to get LHD/LPD or MRSS. it improve alot country ATM capability.

our TUDM EC725 already land in Mistral during Join France-Malaysia exercise in 2015

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our TUDM EC725 also come with folder blade usually only see in Navy helicopter

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post Sep 4 2015, 08:40 PM

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QUOTE(thpace @ Sep 4 2015, 03:09 PM)
Mahal oh.. even india modified p8 is not cheap by any standard.

I rather take japan p1..
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true, still need usd 500 million for 2 P8
anyway P1 can't buy lah, not 1 use 4 engine turbofan engine already, too high cost and fuel consumption. not suite to as.
some more use P8, no issue B737 outsource serives to MAS.
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post Sep 4 2015, 08:42 PM

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QUOTE(Alchemistz @ Sep 4 2015, 08:37 PM)
Why need to compare with SG...?
Laut china selatan is not singapore problem
If china park her aircraft carrier at south china sea what type of ship we want to counter for... Laksamana class?
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well it any related to Singapore? we get Mistral or LHD/MRSS is our ATM operation need.
so funny suddenly come out SG.... laugh.gif

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post Sep 4 2015, 11:56 PM

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TLDM actually like Mistral too.

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QUOTE(AxeFire @ Sep 5 2015, 01:48 AM)
add on AMX Leclerc
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AMX Leclerc better than our PT91?
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post Sep 5 2015, 02:07 AM

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QUOTE(AxeFire @ Sep 5 2015, 02:06 AM)
to put in the Mistral

if we take from Army existing we might not have enough left
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i means capability both MBT
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QUOTE(BorneoAlliance @ Sep 3 2015, 08:24 PM)
China will cut the national military forces by 300,000 troops, country's President Xi Jinping announced on Thursday.

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BEIJING (Sputnik) – The number of Chinese troops will be cut by 300,000 China’s President Xi Jinping announced on Thursday.
Speaking at the military parade in Beijing, Xi Jinping said that China plans to follow the path of peaceful development and is against hegemony and expansion.
According to various estimates, the Chinese military includes about 2.3 million servicemen.
Read more: http://sputniknews.com/asia/20150903/10265...l#ixzz3kg4ztWzz
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well china cut 300k troops, means year can save at lease RMB 60 billion and inject to more high tech weapon and asset....
it more go to direction Elite PRC force.
we will face more stronger defense force.
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QUOTE(AxeFire @ Sep 5 2015, 04:42 PM)
no more spam soilders
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they will scrap Literature and art division, sport division, some military hospital, which not combat staff, so can focus on combat troops development.

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post Sep 7 2015, 10:26 AM

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so long already RMN Gagah samudra training ship still not operation,
if not getting new patrol boat soon, MINDEF should pay other shipyard to complete the final job, at lease 1 ship, after view photo 1st ship should left 5% job, 2nd traning ship still have 20-30% job.
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QUOTE(azriel @ Sep 8 2015, 09:10 PM)
This Recon light attack helicopter so suitable put in sabah, and price cheap enough at usd 15 million each.

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QUOTE(alaskanbunny @ Sep 8 2015, 11:24 PM)
here ppl are very skeptical of prc products
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well a aware of this .....
but if product is ok, value for money why not,
our limited defense budget should get some value PRC product, affcouse still need ATM requirement, better than wait big budget maybe forever can't get it.
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QUOTE(alaskanbunny @ Sep 8 2015, 11:46 PM)
msia have prejudice against prc
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any how, we buy FN6 fr PRC too.
not sure how status MOU for HQ16 SAM
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QUOTE(James831 @ Sep 9 2015, 10:49 AM)
Given that we have dispute with china in south china sea, would they want to sell to us the attack heli?
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what not? new military philosophy now is your sell weapon to your enemy than u know your enemy capability better than your enemy use weapon from other country you don't know detail capability.
some more attack heli not turn much capability to our army for dispute issue. they china can simply destroy our airbase/army base using missile.
they willing sell more weapon to get more money also export market and development.

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DSEI 2015: The price of the Royal Navy

09th September 2015 - 12:00 by Tim Fish in London

he price of doing business has been revealed by the UK Ministry of Defence, with the cost of running the Royal Navy’s warships disclosed to Shephard following a Freedom of Information (FOI) request.

Operating costs are particularly pertinent for MoD planners and the RN given the upcoming Strategic Defence and Security Review and they may seek to reduce the size of the fleet to make savings.

The numbers provided relate to the last complete financial year available FY13/14 and are an average for each warship class when on operation. The FOI response stated that the amounts are the total cost of running the ship class on operation divided by the numbers of ships in that class.

Starting with submarines, for the Astute-class SSNs the annual operating cost per submarine is £9.9 million; the Trafalgar-class SSNs are £11.7 million; and the Vanguard-class SSBNs is £18.6 million.

For surface fleet warships the figures given for each ship are: Type 23 (Duke-class) frigates £11.7 million; Type 45 (Daring-class) destroyers £14.8 million.

The minesweepers include the Hunt-class, which cost £2.8 million each and the Sandown-class minesweepers at £3 million per ship.

Looking at the amphibious ships, HMS Ocean costs £12.3 million per year and the two Albion-class LPDs cost £24 million each.

The price tag for the Royal Navy’s River-class OPVs is £3.5 million for each ship, while the running costs for the Echo-class hydrograpgic survey vessels ran to £5.5 million for the year. The Gleaner coastal survey ship costs £555,000 to run per year; the ocean survey ship HMS Scott costs £4.5 million; and HMS Protector, the Antarctic patrol ship costs £7.4 million.

The breakdown for each ship in the classes of Royal Fleet Auxiliary (RFA) ships is as follows: The Wave-class tankers are £9.1 million each; the Orangeleaf-class support tankers are £5.7 million; the Black Rover-class are £7.2 million; the Fort Victoria-class auxiliary oilers are £14.3 million; Fort Austin-class solid support ships are £11.8 million; the Bay-class Landing Ship Dock – Auxiliary are £8.2 million; RFA Argus casualty and aviation training ship is £8.9 million; and RFA Diligence, the forward repair ship cost £6.6 million.


This is the average annual costs of a ship on this when on operations and the amounts include personnel costs, fuel, port visits, travel and subsistence.

The sums do not include: maritime domain maintenance costs; allowances for leave and education; common services overheads; support costs for naval bases or other MoD top level budget areas; central costs such as IT and communications; aircraft costs; or training and generation.

http://www.shephardmedia.com/news/defence-...ice-royal-navy/

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