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post May 22 2015, 06:14 AM, updated 11y ago

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Maybe you need the college credits, maybe you want to hit on that cute exchange student, or maybe you’ve hit a point in your career where some professional enrichment could land you a promotion. There are lots of reasons to start studying a new language, and with the rising prominence of China in every sector from politics to entertainment, brushing up on your Mandarin seems like a solid choice.

But before tying on a silk robe and practicing your chopstick skills, you might want to reconsider the practical value of learning to read, write and speak Chinese. Unlike art history degrees and philosophy majors, you might be surprised to find that Chinese fluency isn’t always a best-seller. Why? Well…

10. Limited Linguistic Geography

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Chinese is by far the most popular spoken language in the world per capita. With nearly two billion speakers, more people speak Chinese than the next eight most popular world languages combined. Seems like a safe bet to study it, right?

Only if you plan on living in China.

Unlike, say, Spanish, which is predominant in 23 different countries, or French, which is dominant in 39 different countries, or even Portuguese, with a respectable 10 countries speaking it as a primary or secondary language (thanks a million, colonialism), Chinese is a primary language in four. Four countries speak Chinese, and they’re all clustered around, well, China. If you’re really generous and count Tibet, Hong Kong, Taiwan and Macau as separate countries (pro tip: the Chinese government definitely does not), the total goes up to eight, and they’re nearly all one border-crossing away from each other. So for real globe-trotting utility you should consider one of the romance languages or even Arabic, which spread beyond its home continent to enjoy use among 12 different African nations.

9. No Alphabet

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There are innumerable dialects of Chinese, and some so distinct they’re virtually unintelligible to speakers just a few counties away. Imagine someone from London chatting about the weather with a Cajun from New Orleans and you start to get the idea. Amazingly, the huge gap between spoken dialects disappears in the written form. Unless you’re studying ancient archaeology, there’s just one standard, universally written Chinese language.

That’s because literacy was historically limited to the ruling dynasty, and the capital was the only place you could learn to write. Rather than promoting literacy and standardizing the written form through mass education, multiple Chinese dynasties waged active anti-literacy campaigns by forbidding the study of the written script outside the capital. They preserved a strict devotion to the language’s pictographic origins, preventing the advent of an alphabet.

That made the ruling class like a secret society, only instead of exchanging handshakes and passwords they were the gatekeepers of the only official script in the world’s most populous nation. And that exclusivity was not good for efficiency. If it were easy, everyone would be doing it. That’s why Chinese script consists of over 80,000 unique characters. To achieve literacy, it’s estimated that a person must memorize about 2,000.

And yes, you really must simply memorize them, because the classic advice of “sound it out” doesn’t apply. There’s no phonetic principle behind Chinese characters. Instead, a Western phonetic approximation known as “Pinyin” has become the new norm. It’s used in education, to make dictionaries more than picture books, and to allow the Chinese to use computers… but more on that later.

8. Context is Critical

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Chinese is one of the least literal languages in the world. There’s seldom a one-to-one translation for words and ideas from other languages, because all meaning comes from context. Coming from a different cultural background and trying to listen to native Chinese speakers is like going to your friend’s office party and trying to follow all the inside jokes. Except instead of spending eight hours a day together, the Chinese have 5,000 years of continuous history to provide their references.

Every culture develops unique fables that wend their way into proverbs and figures of speech. What makes this troublesome in Chinese is that, rather than just referencing a character by name or alluding to the events of a story, they have a whole host of four word aphorisms called “Chengyu.” If you don’t know how they go together to form a reference, they sound like the spontaneous outbursts of a stroke victim (“Melon field under plums!” “Kill chicken facing monkey!”), and you will struggle to understand them.

7. Pretty or Practical?

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Chinese characters often appear in traditional paintings and other artwork, because their logographic nature blends into other art forms easily (and, frankly, they look awesome). Then of course there’s calligraphy, which is basically just painting words. Instead of a landscape or a beautiful woman, people will straight-up pay for fancy renderings of ancient catchphrases as presented by a master calligrapher. The beauty and elegance of its form compared to alphabetical languages lend it a unique poetic power where image and meaning are blurred.

Unfortunately, as means of precise, direct expression (the sort of thing you want when, say, negotiating a business deal, or checking ingredients to distinguish insecticide from antacid), flowery prose and ambiguous historical references don’t quite cut it. Blending meaning and appearance is great for interior decorating and love letters, but unless you’re a hobbyist you’re going to hit a wall when it comes to getting on the same page with someone using Chinese. The intricacy and order sensitivity of writing in Chinese creates all manner of penmanship headaches you never imagined in other languages.

6. Where’s the Innovation?

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Being the factory of the world means making whatever someone else asks for. From the highest office to the lowliest factory worker, Chinese is a culture of efficiency proudly based on strict obedience. But there’s nothing efficient about asking questions and thinking critically, so if the innovators of the world stop outsourcing to China, the factories might well stop chugging out new widgets. There have already been moves away from the outsourcing model, as economic concerns and new manufacturing technology make it impractical. China itself has been heavily investing in African nations like Ethiopia to offset the rising cost of labor and declining foreign interest in its factories.

Not that the nation is completely without innovation—hackers have been hard at work trying to pilfer trade secrets and new ideas to jump-start the Chinese development game. Bottom line: if you’re looking for a foot in the door to the Next Big Thing, Chinese is not the leg you want to stand on.

5. Your English Is More of an Asset

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Any self-respecting language learner knows that a visit to a country of native speakers is a requisite to achieving fluency. Well, in the People’s Republic, English study is required from primary school through high school, and most of its colleges include English language proficiency as an entry requirement. Whether you plan on visiting, studying, or working there, you’ll be much more popular if you just speak English, because everyone will want to practice it with you.

English speakers are the “street-walkers” of China, especially if you happen to be white (because, you know, all Americans are white). You’ll literally be propositioned by recruiters, anxious parents and exuberant students of all ages to teach English. You can be a good sport and stutter through your best approximation of Mandarin for “No, thank you, I hate children,” but your new best friends will most likely nod, chuckle, condescendingly compliment you for trying to learn Chinese, then ask to be language partners, with an emphasis* on English (*read: you will exclusively speak English together). If this sounds like a party, go for it, but there’s no need to brush up on Chinese ahead of your trip.

4. Business is Done in English

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The language of worldwide business is English, and that isn’t changing no matter what happens to the U.S. dollar. This is especially true in the information age, when there’s a frequent need for the creation of new words (ready for a “selfie,” anyone? Or perhaps you’d like to “Google” some porn?), which is pretty easy in English, and pretty tough in Chinese. The trouble goes well beyond the business world — chemistry, technology… pretty much all the scientific industries are harder to grapple with in Chinese than English. Chinese has a long, laudable history, but its survival is not a reflection of its adaptability and utility, especially as science, culture and communication merge and accelerate around the world.

3. Chasing the Money

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Quick, see if you can figure out what the following have in common: dot coms, housing, soap suds and tech start ups. If you said, “They were all bubbles that burst!” then you are a beacon of wisdom in a dark, dark world. But there may very well be another item that belongs in that lineup, which we’ll broadly describe as “China’s growth model.”

The rush of Western nations to open negotiations and start doing business with China was one of a long line of get rich quick schemes that, for a time and for a lot of people, worked. But like every overnight success story it wasn’t made to last, and deep-seeded, systemic problems — including familiar suspects like the housing market, unrealistic expectations and corruption — are all pointing at the bubble like a slow moving needle.

You could be forgiven for wanting to jump on the China bandwagon, but keep in mind that learning thousands of characters through rote memorization without any linguistic overlap with virtually any other world language is kind of a long-term investment. You wouldn’t want to spend six months in Shanghai only to find that you have to sell a kidney to buy a ticket home. That’s a one-off.

2. It’s Not the Real Door Opener

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About one-sixth of the world grows up speaking Chinese, with about half living at or below the global poverty line. Chinese speakers aren’t as rare as your enthusiastic friends in business, politics and every other conceivable industry make it out to be. Simply showing a resume with some Mandarin courses isn’t going to make you the belle of the ball without a lot of investment in developing other skills and professional networks.

This may not be a reason to give it up entirely, but recognize that you’re better served double-majoring in another field than just gaining fluency in Mandarin. Translators are cheap to hire and outsource. Unless being bilingual is your side-gig for beer money, your killer speaking skills aren’t going to cut it as a career maker.

1. The Internet

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Remember when we talked about how written Chinese is an archaic, symbol-based art form preserved by the ruling class to keep peasants illiterate and obedient? That whole system was working just great until a little thing called the Internet showed up and ruined the party. So, how do you build a keyboard that incorporates tens of thousands of distinct characters?

You don’t.

It turns out that before they can download cat videos on their black market iPads or go on a sexting spree, Chinese citizens have to at least learn the English alphabet. That way they can translate every word into Pinyin (because Chinese has no phonetic system), type it out on a good old QWERTY keyboard, then select the character they really wanted from a menu. If you thought autocorrect was good for a laugh in English, then you’re in for a real barrel of monkeys when you try texting your friends in Chinese. Without learning English to surf the web, the government would hardly even need The Great Firewall of China to keep its citizens from committing thought crimes. They couldn’t even look up “What is ‘voting’?” without an alphabet, so don’t plan on needing Chinese to access your own cat videos and sexts in the future.

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post May 22 2015, 06:41 AM

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Video filled with misinformation
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what a load of BS..
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really dumb video...please give me back my 10 minutes
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Must be banana or other races.
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QUOTE(Jyunkai @ May 22 2015, 06:41 AM)
Video filled with misinformation
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QUOTE(Baconateer @ May 22 2015, 06:42 AM)
what a load of BS..
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QUOTE(cococonutseller @ May 22 2015, 07:03 AM)
Bodo....
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QUOTE(Szzz @ May 22 2015, 07:11 AM)
really dumb video...please give me back my 10 minutes
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QUOTE(Kuze @ May 22 2015, 07:15 AM)
Must be banana or other races.
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Why, and how?
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post May 22 2015, 07:42 AM

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First post updated with a text version for reading.
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QUOTE(Deadlocks @ May 22 2015, 07:27 AM)
Why, and how?
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I'll let someone in the comment section explain for me
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This is the first video from y'all I actually hated. The Chinese languages are wonderful and can express the full range of human emotion and feeling like all other languages, it doesn't prevent creativity like you claim. Did you forget that China lead the world in technology long before the genocidal imperialists you also claim to love set this planet on a suicidal course of war, climate damage, and over consumption?

Now your points:
10, 2. Across the entire planet Mandarin and Cantonese are very common due to lots of emigration since the 19th century. Virtually every country in the world has a small to significant Chinese populations. Often the younger generations learn the local languages very quickly, but knowing the language or attempting your best does smooth relations wonderfully.

9, 7, 1. This is not true. Yes they learn and use the Latin Alphabet (as does the rest of the world) but Chinese does have a system of spelling out words with their own characters.

Additionally, the elite certainly benefited from limited literacy (as all elites do) but China had another reason to keep the character system. Imagine that a person in Spain, Denmark, Poland, and Turkey could all pick up the same paper and read it..... without a common language. That is the power of the Chinese characters. They can take languages as different as Danish and Spanish and let them read the same sentence. It was a massively unifying effect on a massive and still very linguistically diverse part of the world.

Furthermore, they also allow reading speed to icenrase damratiaclly by unsig the way uor barin autaclly irtneperts irfnomation. Our barins hvae been porevn to not look at ervey letetr in a wrod, but isntaed at garenel shepas. Fro emxaple, yvo'ue been ebla to raed this so fra, right? Arbc nd hbrw s a smlr tchnq t avd wrtng mst vwls.

All those 2,000 characters needed for fluency are created from 300 or so radicals that are about 70% of written Chinese when used by themselves. Plus most Chinese don't even write them with pen and paper anymore. Just type in the pinyin and the computer/phone helps you pick the character you mean.

8. That's part of what makes languages cool. When I go to the UK or watch BBC, I get 40% of the expressions, if that, and English is my native language! Yet I don't throw a tantrum and smash my phone.

3, 4, 5. Yeah, that's all true. If you want a business language for your CV, Spanish or French will give you access to more countries. It's not like you are going to forget your native language though. Just because you learn Chinese, Spanish, ect you won't forget English. Btw, companies pay big money for rare languages. Learn one, then find a company.

6. This is just racist/lingualist and I won't address it anymore than that. At best, it's a government policy prediction.

The biggest thing is that I'm disappointed. Instead of trying to shed something positive on a culture you went out of your way to show why it's not worth anyone's time. This while simultaneously perpetuating misinformation (e.g. people only use 10% of our brain) about the Chinese languages.

I wish you had made one on a language we should learn. I might have learned something new and cool.

rant over

Peace.

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I've been working with many MNCs and climbing corporate ladder through out my career life without mandarin.

I've been successfully purchased goods from taobao, without knowing mandarin.

I've been to China few times too for work without mandarin being spoken.

In fact until today i've been communicating with PRC on a daily basis in my line of work ...without mandarin.

So I'm good.

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QUOTE(chokia @ May 22 2015, 07:49 AM)
I've been working with many MNCs and climbing corporate ladder through out my career life without mandarin.

I've been successfully purchased goods from taobao, without knowing mandarin.

I've been to China few times too for work without mandarin being spoken.

So I'm good.
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A lot of pro-mandarin people do exaggerate the importance of mandarin, as English is still much more useful, but that video is just dumb.


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QUOTE(Jyunkai @ May 22 2015, 07:56 AM)
A lot of pro-mandarin people do exaggerate the importance of mandarin, as English is still much more useful, but that video is just dumb.
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It has some interesting points though, especially the part where it dispels the myth that it is a "door opener", when in fact, it actually isn't.
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QUOTE(chokia @ May 22 2015, 07:49 AM)
I've been working with many MNCs and climbing corporate ladder through out my career life without mandarin.

I've been successfully purchased goods from taobao, without knowing mandarin.

I've been to China few times too for work without mandarin being spoken.

In fact until today i've been communicating with PRC on a daily basis in my line of work ...without mandarin.

So I'm good.
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Inbe4 ocbc

Inbe4 you are from island
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Did not click but the title itself are stupid. If you don't know Chinese, you dont tell others reason not to learn. Topkek

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QUOTE(Deadlocks @ May 22 2015, 07:58 AM)
It has some interesting points though, especially the part where it dispels the myth that it is a "door opener", when in fact, it actually isn't.
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yes, that part is true, but that doesn't make the video any less dumb.



people who choose to learn any language without doing any research into how it will benefit them honestly deserve to have their time wasted.
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QUOTE(Deadlocks @ May 22 2015, 07:58 AM)
It has some interesting points though, especially the part where it dispels the myth that it is a "door opener", when in fact, it actually isn't.
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1. It is a skill. A skillful person is always better than thr one without it.

2. If you are a chinese. What is the excuse?

3. You dont need top 10 excuse of you are confident enough.

4. Just like how some ah pek able to get rich without knowing english and bahasa. Nothing to blame. Blame yourself. Dont need to blame the skills you have or you dont have.
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QUOTE(Jyunkai @ May 22 2015, 08:02 AM)
yes, that part is true, but that doesn't make the video any less dumb.
people who choose to learn any language without doing any research into how it will benefit them honestly deserve to have their time wasted.
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How can learn anything can be time wasted?

Sitting there make himself drunk is time wasted.

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From the ammount of butt hurt in this thread, i deduce with 0.75++ correlation and a probability of 90%+ that most people here are opposition supporters.

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If they are ambitious enough, they will offer you their services in english.

And chances are if its just in mandarin, you very well know the quality will not match
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Waiting for stupid article like

Top 10 reason to not have a degree
Top 10 reason to stay single
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QUOTE(ohman @ May 22 2015, 08:06 AM)
How can learn anything can be time wasted?

Sitting there make himself drunk is time wasted.
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Having any skill is an advantage if you know how to use it to your advantage.
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QUOTE(Nachiino Etamay @ May 22 2015, 08:07 AM)
From the ammount of butt hurt in this thread, i deduce that 80%++ of posters in this thread are DAP supporters.
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If I make a thread called "top 10 reason not to learn Malay"

and people who butthurt will be UMNO supporters?
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ts bodo

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If whatever TS said is true, then there will have no more languages in this world!
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QUOTE(Jyunkai @ May 22 2015, 08:10 AM)
If I make a thread called "top 10 reason not to learn Malay"

and people who butthurt will be UMNO supporters?
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yes. but from my projection of /k visitors which are mostly pakatan troopers, most likely 85%+ of the people will agree with the thread starter and talk about how important things is and about how english is superior, well covered, etc.

The argument in the thread is good. however, the author forgot that the moment you kutuk this language, DAP supporters will rage.

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u can put up 1000 reasons also

but when a hot amoi tell u if u want to marry her u need to learn chinese bla bla bla

you'll drop everything and go learn chinese.


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TS not intelligent enough the learn Chinese, that y he is butthurt. No language in this world is useless and learning a new language is will be a good + in ur resume.
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QUOTE(chokia @ May 22 2015, 07:49 AM)
I've been working with many MNCs and climbing corporate ladder through out my career life without mandarin.

I've been successfully purchased goods from taobao, without knowing mandarin.

I've been to China few times too for work without mandarin being spoken.

In fact until today i've been communicating with PRC on a daily basis in my line of work ...without mandarin.

So I'm good.
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That y NDP was needed until today

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QUOTE(Nachiino Etamay @ May 22 2015, 08:12 AM)
yes. but from my projection of /k visitors which are mostly pakatan troopers, most likely 85%+ of the people will agree with the thread starter and talk about how important things is and about how english is superior, well covered, etc.

The argument in the thread is good. however, the author forgot that the moment you kutuk this language, DAP supporters will rage.
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enjoying karma now right? given your cynical replies here and there, being alone and single is eating you from inside out right?


good.

tuhan sedang bayak cash ni.


keep saying stuff like this, and keep enjoying the buah karma
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QUOTE(Nachiino Etamay @ May 22 2015, 08:12 AM)
yes. but from my projection of /k visitors which are mostly pakatan troopers, most likely 85%+ of the people will agree with the thread starter and talk about how important things is and about how english is superior, well covered, etc.

The argument in the thread is good. however, the author forgot that the moment you kutuk this language, DAP supporters will rage.
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You are putting too much effort into this persona
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Malaysia poop mouth minister wannabe...
this fella has a pretty good chance to join Malaysian government...

infos with the utmost BS...
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Then you will be missing lots of gooding LN.
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QUOTE(Jyunkai @ May 22 2015, 08:31 AM)
You are putting too much effort into this persona
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Real life is a game which punishes straight honesty, cynicality, and disclosures of truth.

i still derive more than 30% of my income from my day to day job. so i definitely need to have a different persona in real life. gotta act like i care. gotta take initiatives. gotta jaga hati everyone. gotta act like a middle class serf.
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There is a phonetic system in Chinese. Noob novice Chinese learner like the author doesn't know about it only, because the phonetic system is more of a character based rather than alphabetically based, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Furthermore, less people use Chinese phonetic system in comparison to pinyin now.
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The author sound like he fail multiple times of getting his Chinese language right.

If you are a Chinese speaker you basically wont mentioned 3rd party POV.

He/she basically just a haters a typical american who just look at the surface of Mandarin.

What factory? Glorious of English and Espanol and etc what the heck.

Instead, why around the world til today learn Mandarin?
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jgn bodo la... knp kita jahil sangat... belajar yg baru tu menimba ilmu... knp kita -ve sangat, susah sangat ke jadi pandai? kekal bodo saja boleh masok syurga?
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i dont know why
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as soon as i learn how to speak mandarin, throves of prc girls with nice rack came to me say "lao pan, wo ai ni"
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butthurt is strong in this thread...
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post May 22 2015, 08:57 AM

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QUOTE(chokia @ May 22 2015, 07:49 AM)
I've been working with many MNCs and climbing corporate ladder through out my career life without mandarin.

I've been successfully purchased goods from taobao, without knowing mandarin.

I've been to China few times too for work without mandarin being spoken.

In fact until today i've been communicating with PRC on a daily basis in my line of work ...without mandarin.

So I'm good.
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Communicate with PRC without mandarin is like don't speak kelate to kelantan pipul, sometimes they work but that doesn't mean you lose out nothing.
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Seems like an article from a american nationalist
buthurt that china is the bigger guy, market wise or other

"der takin' er jerbs!!!"
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post May 22 2015, 09:01 AM

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QUOTE(VanishS @ May 22 2015, 08:07 AM)
If they are ambitious enough, they will offer you their services in english.

And chances are if its just in mandarin, you very well know the quality will not match
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伟大的迅雷下载器万岁。

(Glorious xunlei downloaded FTW)

And no, the world don't only revolve around English just for your information.

For some powerful and dominant country like Russia and so on, they just don't bother to promote their things in English. It also do apply on countries like Japan and Korea, you don't hear they purposely translate Jpop/Kpop to you.

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post May 22 2015, 09:02 AM

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QUOTE(lucifah @ May 22 2015, 08:54 AM)
as soon as i learn how to speak mandarin, throves of prc girls with nice rack came to me say "lao pan, wo ai ni"
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I agree with you lucifah. i have never met with any mandarin speakers who are unmarried and available. its definitely a chick magnet. just like iphone.
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English is more then enough

yes without chinese you loose 1billion people

but you still have 7 billion

Learning mandrin is definately a plus but not a requirement

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post May 22 2015, 09:03 AM

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QUOTE(chokia @ May 22 2015, 07:49 AM)
I've been working with many MNCs and climbing corporate ladder through out my career life without mandarin.

I've been successfully purchased goods from taobao, without knowing mandarin.

I've been to China few times too for work without mandarin being spoken.

In fact until today i've been communicating with PRC on a daily basis in my line of work ...without mandarin.

So I'm good.
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you can do anything without learning any language.

it's like playing piano, you won't die for dunno how to play piano. but you also no need to discourage people for playing piano saying playing piano is bad.

because learning a new language (playing piano) is just a skill that it is entirely up to your interest.


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post May 22 2015, 09:04 AM

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generaly if u speak their language to them rather than force ur language to them n force them speak ur lang u will more respected n they more open n welcome u. this is tru in all langs be it melei,cainis,tamil,england. unless u r guai lo then dun matter since evry1 look up them as g0dman.

u go gomen ofis n speak england?? u wont get as much attention n they not as helpful as they cud be.

u join cainis ed group n speak engrand? lol u ostracize liao. might as well stay home.

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post May 22 2015, 09:04 AM

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See the text, confirm ang moh butthurt caused can't learn it
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QUOTE(Nachiino Etamay @ May 22 2015, 08:07 AM)
From the ammount of butt hurt in this thread, i deduce with 0.75++ correlation and a probability of 90%+ that most people here are opposition supporters.
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I don't even need to deduce to know that you're an ignorant bigot. Lol.
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post May 22 2015, 09:09 AM

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QUOTE(Lucifer96 @ May 22 2015, 09:07 AM)
I don't even need to deduce to know that you're an ignorant bigot. Lol.
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Check his name, he is yamate oniichan.

One doesn't simply reply his troll posts without a butthurt or two.
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post May 22 2015, 09:11 AM

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Can i say the same about french language?
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post May 22 2015, 09:14 AM

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I dont know chinese and even i know the writer is a load of BS.

It is like saying, why learn to cook when i can pay others to cook for me. Why marry when i can just adopt. Why have vagina when doctors can inject sperm and do c section.

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QUOTE(Human10 @ May 22 2015, 09:09 AM)
Check his name, he is yamate oniichan.

One doesn't simply reply his troll posts without a butthurt or two.
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More amused than butthurt. Trolling as an excuse don't normally work so well.
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post May 22 2015, 09:19 AM

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Thanks for the thread OP.

The more people convinced not to use CHINESE, the better it is for me.

Less competition, more for me.
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QUOTE(Nachiino Etamay @ May 22 2015, 08:07 AM)
From the ammount of butt hurt in this thread, i deduce with 0.75++ correlation and a probability of 90%+ that most people here are opposition supporters.
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post May 22 2015, 09:34 AM

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It's personal interest. Don't want learn just shut up.
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post May 22 2015, 09:40 AM

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china turn from a country of production to a country of consumption

if anyone else failed to see that,
they are doomed
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ngai em di dau lol
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U donno cainis u ownself rugi.. Even my meleis neighbor send all their kids to cainis sch..
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post May 22 2015, 09:47 AM

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South Korea (hanja) and Japan (kanji) do use Chinese characters, the highest form of traditional literature and calligraphy there often uses the Chinese language.
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QUOTE(zerouzer @ May 22 2015, 09:14 AM)
I dont know chinese and even i know the writer is a load of BS.

It is like saying, why learn to cook when i can pay others to cook for me. Why marry when i can just adopt. Why have vagina when doctors can inject sperm and do c section.
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I almost die to this. biggrin.gif rclxms.gif

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apparently when it comes to national language some here would say its just a waste of time to learn it


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A Chinese professor noted that the Chinese were learning English faster than English speakers were learning Chinese.

Relax. China gonna be world's largest English speaking country.
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if dont learn how to know if ur chinese speaking ching chong ling long co workers are talking bad about you?!?
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when china take over the world then mandarin will be important. until then, english most important
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but chinese is master race
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QUOTE(Human10 @ May 22 2015, 09:01 AM)
伟大的迅雷下载器万岁。

(Glorious xunlei downloaded FTW)

And no, the world don't only revolve around English just for your information.

For some powerful and dominant country like Russia and so on, they just don't bother to promote their things in English. It also do apply on countries like Japan and Korea, you don't hear they purposely translate Jpop/Kpop to you.
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Well....what I am saying is the world revolves around money and not emphasizing on language. You dont go high and mighty introducing your services to the Indian market with mandarin yes ? Or Indonesia ? *Currently english is still the dominant language though.

Xunlei looks pretty good. Will check it out later.


Music is another thing altogether laugh.gif

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all 10 points got flaw eh...especially when it removes the equation that PRC is ekonomi giant impacting and efficiently affecting every's life...
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QUOTE(VanishS @ May 22 2015, 10:23 AM)
Well....what I am saying is the world revolves around money and not emphasizing on language. You dont go high and mighty introducing your services to the Indian market with mandarin yes ? Or Indonesia ?
Music is another thing altogether
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You just mentioned the key point..world revolves around money..so when ur tokking to PRC giant CEO and ur CEO from california, i am sure ur gonna bring over a mandarin translator..regardless of whether the PRC Giant Ceo has his own translator or not..

money bro..like u said..money.....
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post May 22 2015, 10:36 AM

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QUOTE(Manlet @ May 22 2015, 10:23 AM)
but chinese is master race
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when a person lazy, many reasons and facts to support it not to learn
even when it come to science, same thing will occur as well
say no to laziness
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QUOTE(kojackDE @ May 22 2015, 10:44 AM)
Some PRC giant CEOs are well versed in English but they don't give a fuck simply because you want their money, you do it their way, and the minimum you can do is to speak their language.

I have met a lot of mat saleh MNC executive who run some ops in china. Most of them speak better mandarin than malaysian chinese.
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yupp..there are those as well....

jst like most korea/jap/russian big shot....

and seeing how pRC is taking the market currently..and slowly increasing their grip..it makes mandarin an even more important tools...


assuming in 30 yrs india catch up..then i would learn hindi/tamil as well... wherever the money trail leads me to....

deswai i support bijan!! esspecially more if he gimme goat contract... nod.gif
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QUOTE(ohman @ May 22 2015, 08:04 AM)
1. It is a skill. A skillful person is always better than thr one without it.

2. If you are a chinese. What is the excuse?

3. You dont need top 10 excuse of you are confident enough.

4. Just like how some ah pek able to get rich without knowing english and bahasa. Nothing to blame. Blame yourself. Dont need to blame the skills you have or you dont have.
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