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post Aug 30 2015, 11:01 PM

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QUOTE(j.passing.by @ Aug 30 2015, 07:37 PM)

Another common misunderstanding is that UTCs are often mistaken to be financial advisers/planners. Financial advisers/planners in the unit trust industry are certified and licensed professional, like those people who called themselves accountants or lawyers.

No doubt UTCs are also certified (by FIMM) and licensed (by the fund company to sale the company’s UTs), they are not same as a CFP (registered with FPAM). (To know more about FPAM: http://fpam.org.my/fpam/ )

If you think you are not up to the challenge of being a DIY investor, 2 things you can do:
a) Quit, and withdraw from investing into UT.
b) Meet a CFP and have your money managed by him/her.

(Sorry, can’t write much about CFP, as I don’t have any personal hands-on experience with them. But AFAIK, there are also packaged portfolios that are actively managed offered by some fund companies – see this link for more info: https://www.kenangainvestors.com.my/KIB/KIB...IsAMPPlus2.aspx  )

Or you can plod on and learn along the way, by trial and error, sometimes getting it right, and sometimes getting wrong – just like moi!

Cheers. Keep plodding on!
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J.passing.by is partially correct. A CFP holder still cannot call himself a licensed financial planner yet. CFP is just the academic qualification and he still need to apply to Security Commission Malaysia to get the Capital Market Services Representative License (CMSRL) in Financial Planning before he can put the title " Licensed Financial Planner (LFP) on his business card. The License number goes something like this "CMSRL/AXXXX/2015" where the alphabet is the first alphabet of his name, followed by four digit registration number followed by year he is licensed.

To be licensed he must satisfy some criteria such as not be a bankrupt, no criminal conviction in past five years, have at least three years working experience as a UTC, Insurance agent or bank wealth advisors. He must also relinquish all his position as UTC, insurance agent or bank position as he must not be seen as an agent, but completely an independent person free from any agency.

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post Aug 31 2015, 10:15 AM

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QUOTE(neonikson1 @ Aug 31 2015, 09:59 AM)
Thanks!
Any reliable Licensed Financial Planner (LFP) you can recommend?
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List of Independant Financial Planning Firm in Malaysia

I won't recommend individual planner but I will give you a list of Firms for you to choose from.

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p/s: The list is not exhaustive as only Security Commission Malaysia will have the full list.

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post Sep 7 2015, 01:56 PM

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Going by supertroll's warped logic:

I) Why engage a lawyer? Write your own S&P when buying house lar!

II) Why see a doctor when sick? Self medicate lar!

III) Why engage an architect? Build your own house lar!

No need to pay fee mah... save so much!

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post Sep 8 2015, 07:59 PM

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In FSM thread, the discussion over there very high powered and technical wan leh!

Tin Kosong dare not enter wan.... he go in, he will be lost coz there we talk T3H R34L Stuff! Srly!

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post Sep 18 2015, 02:54 PM

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Just some general pointers:

Try to avoid new fund unless it is for tactical reason.

Look for funds that have a long track record that have superior peer-to peer risk-adjusted return.

For those believer in Modern Portfolio Theory; when I was a Public Mutual Agent, not many know, Pub-Mut has very good internal data which to enabled me to calculate the Modigliani Ratio. (Not many fund house in Malaysia has those kind of data)

It was awesome, to be able to select those funds that are able to out-perform its benchmark and peer all the time.

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post Sep 22 2015, 12:49 PM

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QUOTE(max_cavalera @ Sep 21 2015, 11:04 PM)
Ounlic mutual still that good meh?

I watch lipper rating...those smaller fund co like eastspring, kenanga, cimb principle, rhb-osk generally are better perfprmance than public mutual...

Im kust guessing all those performers probably poach/headhunt those great fund kanager frm public mutual
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Those great FM from Eastspring/Kenanga/Hwang such as:

I) Kenanga's Lee Sook Yee wub.gif wub.gif wub.gif was never in Pub-Mut

II Eastspring's Chen Fan Fai was never in Pub-Mut

III) Affin-Hwang's Esther Teo wub.gif wub.gif wub.gif, Teng Chee Wei, David Ng et al were never in Pub-Mut

IV) Eastspring's Yvonne Tan (FM of small cap fund) is never in Pub-Mut.

In my book, all these greats have never step foot in Pub-Mut.

Small kucipek FM excluded.

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post Sep 29 2015, 12:26 PM

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QUOTE(dexterhau @ Sep 29 2015, 12:11 PM)
Dear Sifus, I got a friend said that investing in Public Mutual (PM) is a bad choice because of its 5% service charge. The service charge is rather high. I do not really understand because the reason I go into PM is because I do not know how to manage my own investment portfolio and I need someone to do that for me. My friend said that the return don't even high enough to cover the service charges. Need some guide here... please...
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Dear Sifus, I got a friend said that consulting a medical doctor is a bad choice because of GST and consultation fee charge. The consultation fee is rather high. I do not understand because the reason I go into a clinic is because I do not know how to manage my high blood pressure and I need a doctor to do it for me. My friend said the treatment not enough to cover the consultation fee. Need some guide here,,,, please....

Yeah, I am also in the same dilemma.

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post Sep 29 2015, 03:35 PM

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QUOTE(dexterhau @ Sep 29 2015, 01:45 PM)
Are you being sarcastic? or metaphor? I don't really get what you mean.
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Sarcatainment.

The alternative of not paying a service fee is to DIY. Since you mention you are a complete noob... and don't want to pay tuition fee... how lar?

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If you wanna save on service charge you can hop over to the Fundsupermart thread: The definitive guide to DIY UT investing in M'sia.



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post Sep 29 2015, 06:06 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Sep 29 2015, 06:04 PM)
U did not search hard enough and/or ASK QUESTIONS (hey, their customer service staff and telephone number is there for a purpose!).

Fundsupermart
eUnit Trust
CIMB Clicks eInvest

All 3 offers sales charges of 0-2.5% (depending on what type of funds).
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But but but he wants hand-holding wor... where got at 2%?

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post Sep 29 2015, 09:59 PM

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QUOTE(dexterhau @ Sep 29 2015, 06:13 PM)
Erm.. What you mean by hand-holding?
Like PM, my UTC did nothing la. Just help me to fill up the initial investment form. After that I did DDI online via PMO.
That's all... Every month 5% goes to UTC. Feel kinda waste la...
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Like this ar....

Then come over to Fundsupermart or eUTrust for DIY experience. You are your own agent, low fee....

Three hundred funds and getting more from various UTMC to choose from. It is the Tesco of UT!

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post Oct 14 2015, 02:30 PM

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QUOTE(avms01 @ Oct 13 2015, 11:28 PM)
Thank you for the information.

Seeking advice.
Plan to withdraw my EPF money and park temporary in Bond funds.
Any suggestion on which funds I should park it? Time frame is about 2 to 3 months.
TQ.
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It makes no sense... Bond fund ROI is around 4 -5 % p.a. It is lebih kurang sama with KWSP ROI. Why go through the extra hassle to achieve the same result... eat rice full dey, goyang kaki nothing to do izzit?

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post Oct 15 2015, 07:26 PM

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QUOTE(avms01 @ Oct 14 2015, 06:51 PM)
TQ ... maybe I did not explain my plan.
Plan is to withdraw and park in Bond fund temporarily and and then switching to equity within next 2 to 3 months collecting equity funds when market down.
Not keeping in Bonds for long terms.

So which Bond fund would be good as temporary parking (2 to 3 months) without much volatility.

Thank you.
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Still a lousy plan.... park at bond fund need to pay management fee and some other 1% dunnowhatchamacallit fee.

Pre sign your KWSP N9 form and thumbprint it... when you are ready to deploy your funds, hop over to any Pub-Mut office and hand the form to them. They will process it within 1 day .

Your funds from KWSP will be transferred to Pub-Mut within a week or less.

But....


If you wanna do DCA, it is different story. Withdraw and park at a money market fund, then do DDI to the desired fund.

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post Oct 21 2015, 10:42 PM

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QUOTE(guy3288 @ Oct 21 2015, 08:54 PM)
i  bought  at launching 0.25, long ago. it went  up soon after , wanna sell at ? 0.32 cant remember, but my agent told me not to sell.
so i kept so long till it gone far below my cost. At 0.18 ,i started topping up but it kept dropping till rm0.16, i gave up buying.
my sell record for this PCSF
10.6.14 0.1788
18.6.14 0.1801
4.7.14 0.184
4.11.14 0.1925
13.2.15 0.2186
25.6.15 0.2552.

i think i lost quite abit on this PCSF.
So i wanna clear it and go for FSM
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post Nov 2 2015, 09:43 AM

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QUOTE(protimer @ Nov 2 2015, 03:35 AM)
all sifu..... i need a clarification...i want to invest in public smallcap dfund but my unit trust consultant say it is closed because all the units fully sold.... how can i know if a fund is already closed? i cant find the information from pb mutual website....anyone here have any link for me to check myself? by the way, I am investing via cash...i know EPF suspended the fund already
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post Nov 5 2015, 12:58 PM

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QUOTE(ohcipala @ Nov 5 2015, 12:47 PM)
Pink Spider  lai lai come here and explain about dividends for unit trust. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(guanteik @ Feb 18 2016, 11:24 AM)
If I were you I will think twice about Public Mutual.
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If I were you, I will not think about Public Mutual...... at all!

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post Feb 18 2016, 11:46 AM

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QUOTE(guanteik @ Feb 18 2016, 11:30 AM)
Twice because I think their Bond/MM funds are still worth the investment. Equities are no-no to me.
It's the funds from this company not performing. High service charges and low performing funds.
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Their good bond fund are mostly closed for new capital injection...... shakehead.gif

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ May 9 2016, 08:43 PM)
bro - on the distribution (it's called distribution, NOT dividend, for a reason), it doesn't matter

T231H is stating the obvious and this mis-assumption on UT distribution is common - it is literally of  no impact other than diluting units. Total total - one will still hold the have value on the VERY INSTANCE before and after

eg.
1:00pm NAV $1 / unit before distribution, held 1000 units,
value held = $1*1000 units = $1,000
VS
1:01pm $0.10 distribution per unit, thus i get $100 and reinvested at NAV $0.90, that's 111.111111111 (infini)
NAV become $0.90,
now i'm holding $0.90 *(1000 ori +111.11111infini) = $1,000 value STILL HELD

pardon my rounding/infi 1s tongue.gif

Of course if U insist that people should invest with the focus on distribution (no, there is no dividends per say given by UTs), then no harm/foul - that's your reality  notworthy.gif Those who know the maths/logic will just silently smile  brows.gif
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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ May 9 2016, 08:43 PM)
bro - on the distribution (it's called distribution, NOT dividend, for a reason), it doesn't matter

T231H is stating the obvious and this mis-assumption on UT distribution is common - it is literally of  no impact other than diluting units. Total total - one will still hold the have value on the VERY INSTANCE before and after

eg.
1:00pm NAV $1 / unit before distribution, held 1000 units,
value held = $1*1000 units = $1,000
VS
1:01pm $0.10 distribution per unit, thus i get $100 and reinvested at NAV $0.90, that's 111.111111111 (infini)
NAV become $0.90,
now i'm holding $0.90 *(1000 ori +111.11111infini) = $1,000 value STILL HELD

pardon my rounding/infi 1s tongue.gif

Of course if U insist that people should invest with the focus on distribution (no, there is no dividends per say given by UTs), then no harm/foul - that's your reality  notworthy.gif Those who know the maths/logic will just silently smile  brows.gif
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Smile silently cool2.gif

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p/s Sigh.... another newbie! bangwall.gif bangwall.gif
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post Jun 10 2016, 10:40 AM

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QUOTE(cybersim2 @ Jun 10 2016, 10:07 AM)
Wonder why PM still attract a lot of investor. Coz of their reputation or sweet talking agent
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That is because investor like Dasecret are the betul-betul minority. By and large the Malaysian population are quiet ignorant about financial literacy. That is why Skim Cepat Kaya, Gold Trading scheme, Scratch & Win Scheme, Handsome African man conjob, are still making the round despite so many of these stories are making their round in the news.

I mean, look at the bigger picture... a Licensed UTC from Pub-Mut despite their high sales charge represent a legitimate profession in the investment industry. It is still highly regulated and the money invested remain in the proper economy, not gone into the shadow industry. Better these money flow to this than go into those Ponzi / Conjob scheme listed above.

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