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post Sep 14 2017, 02:33 PM

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QUOTE(tothebest @ Sep 13 2017, 01:10 PM)
which thype of fund is most prifit with low risk?
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Like asking which prostitute is most virgin.... doh.gif

or

Which junk food is most healthy?

Profit or return is diametrically oppose to risk.

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post Oct 31 2017, 04:29 PM

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QUOTE(dasecret @ Oct 31 2017, 04:12 PM)
No need to think, I calculated for you. The annualised return is 2.91% per annum, if you left the money in EPF you would have made more than double the return.

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post Jan 11 2018, 04:45 PM

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QUOTE(dasecret @ Jan 11 2018, 01:45 PM)
Wah, how can CS do that to our lowyat no.1 PM fans?

I hate to repeat this, but what is the compelling reason that you are still a loyal customer to them? I know you also buy from FSM and all, is PM attractive in its own way? Sincerely want to know
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I suspect he is an agent himself.... mainly becoming an agent himself to do his own investment to save on the sales charge and get the commission / rebate / cash back.

That is why he find it hard to let go....

He must have quite a substantial bit invested in Pub-Mut from his KWSP - MIS program accumulated over the year.

Hence, mati- mati also still wanna stick with it.

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p/s Sorry J.Passing.by for profiling you.



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post Mar 24 2018, 10:19 AM

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QUOTE(j.passing.by @ Mar 23 2018, 06:33 PM)
Some random thoughts…

Cut Lost.

Recently, Warren Buffett said in an interview on CNBC that some folks are not meant to own stocks, because they sell the stocks at lower prices than the prices they had bought.

He could very well be saying about some folks who have bought unit trust funds. Some seems to withdraw and sell at lower value than their invested value.

Why do they withdraw and sell at a lost?

- They had jumped onto the bandwagon when they heard that folks were making easy money from unit trust funds when the markets were on the rise.

- The invested money is short term, and would be needed later in the near future. So, when the money is needed, they had to withdraw even at a lost.

- They can’t take risk and can’t withstand seeing that their invested money is giving negative returns even when they are quite sure that the UT fund will regain its lost. Maybe they were used to ‘fixed-price’ UT funds and comparing the comforts they used to have with ‘fixed-price’ UT funds. They thought they can take and bear the risk, but in reality, they can’t.


Possible ways they could done the investment more correctly?

- UT funds are longer term investments. The longer they are held, the downside risk will be lower. More importantly, the longer they are held, it is less likely to have a forced withdrawal when the invested money is needed. Don’t use ‘short-term’ money to invest in UT funds. Use savings that are set aside for the longer term.

- Think longer term and don’t invest for ‘fast returns’ in UT funds. For fast money and fast returns, indulging directly in the stock market as a retail investor would give better rewards. The daily volatility of UT funds could be in the region of +/- 0.1% to +/- 2%.  While in an individual stock, it could be up to +/- 5% and even be up to +/- 10% or more. You can get faster results with the limited capital in the stock market as oppose to UT funds, which is a pool of many, many stocks and they averages and lower the volatility of all the individual stocks. Also the stocks are picked by the fund manager who, hopefully, has more financial and pricing knowlege than the individual retail investor.

- Don’t do a one-time investment or ‘sailang’ as in ‘all-in’ in a poker game. This is also called a ‘lump-sum investment’. UT fund is a longer term investment, so do long term regular purchases. Whether the regular purchases are at a fixed amount (DCA method) or in variable amount (VA method), it is not that important. Or whether the purchases are done at monthly or quarterly intervals. They are not that important. More importantly, don’t do lump sum or one time investment.

- Don’t cut lost. “Cut lost” is a misguided phrase borrowed from the stock market. It does not apply to UT funds when the investment is for the longer term. As said, UT fund is a pool of many, many shares – maybe up to 80 stocks and more with about 0.2% to 2% in each listed stock. As a retail stock investor, you may have to cut your lost if it is a distress stock with more impending bad news. In a market ‘sell-off’, it is normal market behaviour, it goes up, and it goes down.

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Please also note that taking profit or trimming profit is different from cut lost. Selling a fund when it drops 10% off its peak, could be taking profit since the fund had gone up maybe 40-50% since the initial investment.
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There are 2 possible reasons for doing a lump-sum investment.

1) It is a short term investment with a limited time-frame, with the exit date already known and planned at the entry of the investment.

2) It is a full-blown portfolio of funds for passive income. Say, a retiree at age 55 or 60, may have sold a property and pool the money together with other savings and buy a portfolio of UT funds to generate a passive income for retirement.

Other than these 2 reasons, the investment method is generally regular purchases. Work -> Earn -> Monthly Salary -> Monthly Savings -> Use part of the savings to invest into a longer term savings vehicle.

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Buy the dip!

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Well said friend. Unfortunately your cheong - hei article will be loss on noobs. These recent entente will be in for quick cash. Quick pump & dump. Make and dash...

Just listen to their white noises...

Little news from that fatty from Land of Uncle Sam... worry, cannot eat cannot sleep

Little news from that fatty from N Kimchiland.... worry, cannot eat cannot sleep

Little news from whatever... worry, cannot eat cannot sleep.

Xuzen

p/s They are treating UTF as stock market and using stock market tactics and strategy to apply wholesalely into UTF.

It is like trying to use futsal tactics and strategy to play eleven-a-side football.




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post Mar 14 2020, 12:07 PM

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posted on wrong thread.

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post Jul 5 2020, 08:56 AM

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QUOTE(howszat @ Jul 4 2020, 07:06 PM)
To access the annual report, you now need an Access Code? What Access Code?

https://www.publicmutual.com.my/Menu/About-...ds/Funds-Report
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In an era where freedom of information is welcomed, Pub-Mut seems to regress back to dinosaur age, that is to say, keeping its info under tight wrap and only for its exclusive clientele. Its like buying Blackmore's Vit C from Watson versus buying GNC Vit C at its exclusive GNC shop. Both are still Vit C but there will be some consumers who will have that perception that GNC Vit C will be better.

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