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post Oct 22 2006, 03:31 PM

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To those of you who think that Warcraft 3 would be "dead" if there was no dota, let me present: EXHIBIT A...

Starcraft

Released more than 5 years before the original DotA was released (I'm talking about the one that was for Reign of Chaos), this game still has a large amount of players playing it everyday. Do they have anything like DotA? Did they NEED anything like DotA?

Anyway, to the threadstarter, what the hell do you mean by this:
QUOTE(cse2k @ Oct 22 2006, 09:17 AM)
Blizzard had alraedy made up a plan that they WILL not succes in their original gaming BUT gain the profit in the Warcraft MAP EDITOR.
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Unless I missed something, since when did Blizzard charge for the map editor of all things? Or do you think that ppl would just buy Warcraft 3 for the map editor alone? Are there ppl really that bored and rich that they'd go "Hey, I feel like making a map for a game I don't own, let me go buy the map editor, then release it online for free"

Either way, you've just demonstrated how ignorant you are about Blizzard in general (Like most DotA players who claim to be Blizzard "fans"). Go look up "World of Warcraft"
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post Oct 22 2006, 05:24 PM

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QUOTE(mangoman @ Oct 22 2006, 03:41 PM)
Well, just for ur info, it is nearly impossible to get pirated warcraft III cd in western countries. To my amuse, i found it very hard to get an original one so I have to buy it in ebay. I think it's only m`sia or sg where ppl can buy pirated cd and dvd easily. In western countries, it doesnt exist at all. sad.gif Btw, back to the topic, warcraft III definitely wont die becoz of dota, warcraft III itself is already intriguing enough, the story line, the heroes and etc.
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That's because in Western counties, you have uber fast broadband... Oh yeah, and also because the ppl there place "value" in games as welll.
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post Oct 23 2006, 11:44 PM

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QUOTE(cse2k @ Oct 23 2006, 08:53 AM)
I just sayed tht BLIZZARD wants to keep it's fans in touch of the game. So, MAYBE Map Editor is one of their plans. And war and melee games are a map right?-- THTS wat i saw in the manual.
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Oh please, map editors have been bundled with RTS' since C&C Red Alert did it. Age of Empires has one, all the C&C games since then has one, even Starcraft had one.

Its nothing special that they included a map editor... If they REALLY wanted to do something special, they'd include a full SDK (Which gives you full access to everything the RTS engine can do)... Now, that would be cool, but AFAIK, no RTS developer has done it (I'm just guessing here)
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post Oct 24 2006, 02:16 PM

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QUOTE(tan_pang @ Oct 24 2006, 11:46 AM)
you remind me the Starcraft map editor...
i hear my fren say it is very hard to make a map, coz it need coding much
and unlike the war3 map editor, which got option to select what event to do, and what will happen next
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Essentially, the Warcraft 3 and Starcraft editor perform the same thing, which is to make maps for their respective games and nothing more. The only difference is complexity (Starcraft's is old and therefore not as easy to use)

QUOTE(cse2k @ Oct 24 2006, 12:26 PM)
>>>>>> GOD, if they do that, there will be no need of having other RTS gaming around anymore, players could just create thier own RTS GAME!
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You're assuming that the Warcraft 3 engine is the best RTS engine in existence... Guess what? Its not by a longshot. It can't render mass armies, it can't do squads, it doesn't have reactive unit AI (And no, Attack-move is not the best RTS AI should be able to do), it doesn't even have a physics engine. Try playing other RTS' out there and you'll begin to see how inadequate Warcraft 3 stacks up against the rest of the crowd.

Go read up on what SDK's usually allow the user. By that logic, FPS gaming wouldn't be around anymore since the release of the Quake SDK as ppl could make their FPS game. Hell, the entire Quake source code is free now... Why am I not seeing the demise of FPS' in the world? Making a game is not as easy as you seem to think.
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post Oct 24 2006, 09:25 PM

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QUOTE(cse2k @ Oct 24 2006, 07:38 PM)
>>> Im saying tht if some1 let the RTS engine spoile out for players, thn players could create thier own RTS game, isn't it?I mean lots of possibilities.

>>> I know that other RTS are better than warcraft, like ages of empires, rise of nations/legends, lots more. LOL!!! Quake realease it's FPS engine, truly that creating games are tough, but there are still many people willing to take a try on it, maybe tomorrow u'll saw a new FPS game created using Quake FPS engine.
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And your point is? I truly feel bad for the modding scene as they've been around for decades and until now, nobody gives them some recognition... And one simple map mod takes away all its thunder. At least Counter-Strike took a lot of liberal changes to Half-Life... shakehead.gif

My original point is that the map editor doesn't make Warcraft 3 become T3H B3ST G4M3 3V4!
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QUOTE(cse2k @ Oct 24 2006, 10:04 PM)
>>> I didn't say map editor made W3 the best game. My freind-- an RTS dummer, says tht W3 not so good, even red alert2 better than it. But he plays W3 again, err.... well DotA. blink.gif
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Observe what you said earlier
QUOTE(cse2k @ Oct 22 2006, 09:06 PM)
Say, I could agree that W3 is a great game, coz i've played the game, and found storyline quite interesting, evenmore that it had it's own W3 History, something like Burning Legion.

>>> I could really agree that if DotA didn't born out, maybe there are still many gamers don't know W3, even the W1 & W2. Beyond myself is an example, if it's not DotA, I REALLY dont' know what is WARCRAFT III.

>>> As the above, even though Blizzard says that the MAP EDITOR is not under it's control. But BLIZZARD DID made a nice move that to present the editor along the game, this make it even MORE popular than be4.

>>> W3 gets the result:
    *  Best Expansion Pack - Gamespot
    * Best Multiplayer Game - Gamespot
    * Best PC Strategy Game (Readers' Choice) - GameSpot
    * Game of the Month - IGN PC
    * Editor's Choice (90 out of 100 rating) - Games Xtreme
    * Editor's Choice (9 out of 10 rating) - Strategy Gaming Online
    * PC Strategy Gamers' Choice - GameSpy
    * 94 out of 100 rating - Next Level Gaming
    * 94 out of 100 rating - Gamer Play Networks
    * 94 out of 100 rating - Game Marshal
    * 94 out of 100 rating - GameAxis
    * 92 out of 100 rating - The Gamer's Temple
    * 91 out of 100 rating - Action Trip
    * 90 out of 100 rating - Gameguru Mania
    * 88 out of 100 rating - GameSpy
    * 10 out of 10 rating - Game Chronicles Magazine
    * 9.4 out of 10 rating - GameZone
    * 9.2 out of 10 rating - GameSpot
    * 9 out of 10 rating - IGN PC
    * 8.9 out of 10 rating - Worthplaying
    * 8.8 out of 10 rating - Gamer's Hell
    * 5 out of 5 rating - GamePro
    * A- rating - UGO

>>> So lets say, Warcraft Won in TRIPLE sections:
>>>Graphics---W3 gave the look into one of the best graphic I've known in RTS gaming.
>>>Storyline---W3 design the best RTS stroyline I've known, you get the legends of it, you the history of it. AND HEROES!!!
>>>MAP EDITOR---W3 's map editor gave players to create more flexible game playing, so you won't be bored.
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Since you were, you know extolling how awesome warcraft 3 was, and since you listed the map editor as one of those features which contributed to its awesomeness, one would naturally assume that you consider the map editor to be a contributing factor in making Warcraft 3 an awesome game.

Yet, you're saying no now.



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