this trade zone is a very good place for connies to con ppl because the forum admin ady said tat they are not responsible for trades conducted here,
therefore would-be connies will be able to device a way to con newbies and unsuspecting ppl and greedy ppl,
because MOST ppl here dun bother to read or do not knoe tat here  exist a form of platform to get educated if sufficient read-up is being done.........
moreover most ppl here do not seems to understand simple english
juz take a look around TZDRC and you will knoe tat  ppl get swindle here........
dun believe, juz take a poll and you would be amazed tat only a few percentage of forumer here know the do and dont's of trading in lyn UNTIL they encountered some sort of trade problem

this is called typical malaysian mentality..........first world infrastructure forth world mentality ( sry already slipped a notch downward)

For those who have been BLACKLISTED.... moderators, kindly put a TAG on their name, thus preventing them from conning other ppl...

Not many ppl will check the blacklist thread, hence if the blacklisted guy/gurl open a thread, ppl immediately can view and take necessary precaution...

The only possible escape way for this is to create another account, which we all know, those with 0 post we dont really deal with...

For those who have been BLACKLISTED.... moderators, kindly put a TAG on their name, thus preventing them from conning other ppl...

Not many ppl will check the blacklist thread, hence if the blacklisted guy/gurl open a thread, ppl immediately can view and take necessary precaution...

The only possible escape way for this is to create another account, which we all know, those with 0 post we dont really deal with...

The main issue is finding the *******. That is not going to be easy. Even if can find IP address, so what? Chances are he was online from an Internet cafe.

And about the pic, of course its not his real face la! Its probably a photo of someone he conned b4 for all you know.

The only other alternative that i can think of is hiring a private investigator. But that will be expensive liao.

And the fact that all the details and his nickname has been publicised so much, it has probably killed the slightest chance of getting him.

I myself personally never deal poslaju or courier or whatever unless i have no choice. And if I have to pay first and wait for stuff to come through the post/courier, i try to limit it RM250.00 in value. I will only go higher if I am dealing with an established reputable company or set up but will still try to check on background first.

Viking, you were already worried about being conned hence you wanted to have a test deal first at a limit of RM500. Why did you break your own rules by paying another RM200? And if you were prepared to lose RM500 knowing full well the risks, why the unusual "upsetness"? It seems to me you are more upset than you should be for a person who knew full well the risks and took it anyway.

One more thing, yes, dealing COD is no doubt the best way. But try to bring a friend along with you. If you can get a few friends to come along, even better. But if there is a group of you, ask your friends to stand or sit a short distance away while you are completing the transaction, otherwise you may end up intimidating a genuine buyer/seller who may be alone. The reason I say to bring along a friend with you is to try to prevent or discourage snatching. If there is snatching, you at least have help to try to catch the fella. At the minimum, you have witness(es) which may be helpful in a police report or identifying the culprit.

Think about the place you are going to meet up too. Meet in a very public place with lotsa pple around. IMHO, find a place where you and the other party can sit down but sit further away from the entrance. That way, not so easy for the culprit to run away if he/she ends up snatching. Be also aware of the possibility that the person may have an accomplice i.e. he/she won't do the snatching him/herself but the accomplice will. Then the other party will just say, "alamak, bad luck for you. But since kena snatch already, no deal." Later, the person and the accomplice will just sell the item snatched and split it among themselves. As a buyer, remember, your money may get snatched too. Always be aware of your surroundings and whats going on around you.

Further, if you are a woman, for goodness sake, never go deal alone for obvious risks. Bring along a guy or some guys.

Lastly, a conman may also be a conWoman. Just because the person is a girl/woman, dun think you won't get cheated. For the guys, dun get distracted if she is really beautiful or sweet looking or sexily dressed. I dun mean to sound sexist here, but its a fact of life. For the girls, just because the other person seems to be such a nice sweet girl, doesn't mean she is not a conwoman.

I noticed this thread is pinned, So I'd like to add my 'Tips & Guidelines for Online Trading' here. Hopefully it could helps to cut down on con case.

Since its an online based, of cos there are real and there are fake. There are many ppl trying to make money in unethical way. I've seen many fake buyers/sellers especially from China and Nigeria (and some other countries).

To be safe, be very aware when you try to shop online. A few guidelines here:

1. When the deal is too good to be true, beware. I saw some ppl (normally from CHINA) post new laptops for less than RM100, even a kid knows its a scam! I even saw someone post up the pics of laptop which was taken by ME! (Its my mistake that I did not add on copyright words in my pic, the conman takes this opportunity to download my pics and trying to make buyer believes that they have the item on hand!) Scam reported to Ebay and the seller was deregistered. However, he could simply register a new nick and keep trying to con ppl out there.

2. Purchase only from those who is trustable, with long selling records. Check out the date of feedback left by buyers. If all left in a short term, somethg is fishy.

3. If the online auction/selling portal have I/C verification system (for eg. lelong.com), thats more reliable. IC verified members are normally genuine traders.

4. For expensive items, request for Cash On Delivery which is the safest way to conduct a business, especially on the first time dealing with a stranger. Those who are not sincere or not honest wont dare to meet up with you for the deal.

5. I've been an online seller for quite some time. From my personal experience, 99% of deals from overseas are FAKE. So, its better if you stick to deal with Malaysians or any other nationalities who is IN MALAYSIA. However, I also have successful trades with Singaporean from Singapore. But still have to be very careful.

I would be glad if anyone here could share your online trading experience with me. smile.gif

How about letting members into the trade zone only after they have reached a certain post count or they have been a member for a certain amount of time?

For example, the only members allowed in the Trade Zone are
1. those who have reached 50 posts, or

2. those that have joined up for more that 2 weeks

They still can register multiple accounts and wait for 2 weeks before conning again

The main purpose of this thread is for you guys to voice out your opinions about our Trade Zone

finally my feedback, yes all those guildlines are there, but it seems tat they are there for record purpose only to protect  LYN but not being shown to the unsuspecting forumer "point blank"


Kindly list down your valuable ideas, feedbacks and suggestions

abt ideas.........no nid la , cause nobody will ever listen, mods and admin will only giv negative response.....sien ady la................... once you get conned, they will say "dei lei sie" why dun read "this and tat" that was spread over here and there      

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haha this is called constructive criticism

to mods and admin , be MAN enough to take this

Just as u were woman enough to close your own thread and edit your initial post?

We'll have tonnes of newbies spamming around
They still can register multiple accounts and wait for 2 weeks before conning again

SonyEricsson W810i full package..

Price you offer me !

Please call xxx-xxx xxxx ..

Item(s): ONE

Package includes: TWO

Price: THREE

Warranty:

Dealing method: FOUR

Location of seller: FIVE

Contact method/details: SIX

Age of item:

---

Item(s) conditions: SEVEN

Picture:

Reason for sale:

if you cant see my avatar is a woman, then i think tat you should be like your own avatar.....

wat i done to my old thread is because you guys are not contributing but juz bashing me, so i am juz being human , even a cat will run away if being chased by an anjing

wat i post in here is juz to bare the weakness of LYN...........bro this is called constructive criticsm......."check the imbalances here dude"

Are u stupid or just a dumbass?
I didn't say that you're a woman cause of your avatar
If you've got personal problems with me come PM me privately and we'll settle it
If you're ready to grow up and have a brain stop posting stupid stuff like a sissy and running away from the problem

So you've closed it cause we werent contributing?
And what's the reason you editted your first post with the "Great" main suggestion?
Show me which of your posts there that u were contributing?
Show me any of them u defended your suggestions properly everytime someone gives u reasons they're not accepted
All u do is post useless suggestions and when ppl tell u it wont work u say ppl arent being helpful, mods not listening
And notice how many TEs, mods and admins were replying in that thread
So far i've never seen that amount, so i'd say u were taken seriously and given quite a bit of face there
Oh and i dont recall everyone else in there supporting you and your suggestions, most ppl have enough logic to understand the reasons why certain things will not be implemented

bark like mad
wat's wrong wif your brain?

wat i done to my old thread is because you guys are not contributing but juz bashing me, so i am juz being human , even a cat will run away if being chased by an anjing

this trade zone is a very good place for connies to con ppl because the forum admin ady said tat they are not responsible for trades conducted here........balblablablal...

The main purpose of this thread is for you guys to voice out your opinions about our Trade Zone

Kindly list down your valuable ideas, feedbacks and suggestions

if nobody wants to take the responsibility

CLOSE THE TRADING ZONE!!!

let lelong & ebay do the trading...

there's no reason to put up notice "LYN not be held responsible if anything wrong happen"...

just close the whole zone and direct it to some other channel...

if nobody wants to take the responsibility

CLOSE THE TRADING ZONE!!!

if nobody wants to take the responsibility

CLOSE THE TRADING ZONE!!!

let lelong & ebay do the trading...

there's no reason to put up notice "LYN not be held responsible if anything wrong happen"...

just close the whole zone and direct it to some other channel...

and have subforums for each?

Making separate WTB/WTS forums involves doubling the forums in TZ. Due to the way the forum is written, this adds a lot of overhead.

A solution was proposed in the main Feedback, where post icons are used to signify selling/buying. I think that's a better idea.

instead of putting WTB or WTS logo, how bout putting
BUY logo
SELL logo ?

It's easier to distinguish between (BUY and SELL) compared to (WTB and WTS)

i think you are confusing between logo and tags.. what is being discussed it to replace the WTS/WTB tags with icons for buying or selling..i think that's a good idea..don't forget we'll also need an icon for WTT.. since we're on the topic.. maybe we need an icon for bidding?.. or maybe it should be declared on the title?.. its not a big issue though.. the way it is now is just fine..

I agree. But putting WTS and WTB threads altogether seems a little messed up and cluttered. Or probably can take into consideration keeping it as it is but just to add a subforum for WTB items, meaning the main forum is for selling whereas a subforum for WTB threads.

I think it's beneficial as we don't need to go through so many pages at one particular Garage Sales forum because ALL the threads all situated together. When dedicated subforums are made available, definitely the page count will decrease and the persistant problem of people not including their tags will be rectified (as we don't need the tags anymore).

=)

Bravo to all members, the tag is sweet.

How about one for Minor Offender, one more for Blacklist?

err i might have a suggestion....

why dont LYN make it compulsory for any seller to do at least 1-2 COD sessions before allowing to use post methods.

this is so that the first 1-2 LYN users who have CODed with the seller can be used a referral is any problem might occur.

It doesnt matter where sellers location is at least must have had a COD sesion before.

I notice that many con cases seller always mention that he is at a far location usually east malaysia or singapore or way up north and then target KL buyers.

hope this can help

Usually in most of the big cases, conman tends to deal with a few of the members to earn their trust before conning them back

e.g. Kawasaki_kips , Poweredge

he came in with a new nick, dealt quite alot with the forummers to earn their trust, before he finally eat them up.

Doesnt mean a person is 100% trustable if he has dealt numerous time. He can con you in the next deal

Usually in most of the big cases, conman tends to deal with a few of the members to earn their trust before conning them back

e.g. Kawasaki_kips , Poweredge

he came in with a new nick, dealt quite alot with the forummers to earn their trust, before he finally eat them up.

Doesnt mean a person is 100% trustable if he has dealt numerous time. He can con you in the next deal

true... but after one or two COD sessions some members of LYN at least can recognise his face or car or plate number etc etc...

well its not entirely full proof but at least its sumthing to fall back on to ...just in case...

people knew how PE looked like, he was even brought in to the police stationfor questioning, but was let go due to lack of proof + police reports against him.

so what if you know how the conman looks like? are you really going to do anything about it?

Bravo to all members, the tag is sweet.

How about one for Minor Offender, one more for Blacklist?

If LYN just do Invite style for new user / newbie like Gmail how?

To me better make 1 pinned thread & list down Hp Dealer/Reload Card Deaer/Hard Disk Dealer/Any Dealer so LYN Forumer Can Check Account Number are belong to who.
The Pinned thread are "Unedit" , so dealer/seller have to PM To "Person In Charge" to make their detail in Pinned Thread. Only ADMIN,TE or ETC Only can Edit The Detail.

Example :

RELOAD SELLER NAME /  HP SELLER or DEALER
Contact Numver :
Bank Detail :
Account Number
Email.
Seller Thread : Link to Seller Garage Sale

With this, Forumer can check this account detail in PINNED thread, so maybe can less the "3rd Party Fraud" case. Where to put, Every Garage Sale Subforum under Annoucement.

Just my suggesstion.

from wat i see most of con case was done by seller. then how bout restrict rule 2 sell a bit.
eg like those who wanna sell need to have approval from admin @ mod.
or seller need to give their copy ic to verify (not 4 every sale, once is enough).
sound like lelong? maybe...

this is just a suggestion coz thats the reason this thread start for.
so pls dont fire me too much if it sound stupid.

no hard feeling. 

from wat i see most of con case was done by seller. then how bout restrict rule 2 sell a bit.
eg like those who wanna sell need to have approval from admin @ mod.

when a seller open a thread at garage sales, they are given a template, correct? may i suggest adding this two lines at the bottom of the template.

TZRC

TZDRC

^ i know its not much, but not all con-victims are greedy. most are merely careless and not equipped with info. a honest seller wouldn't mind having these two small links on their 1st post of a legitimate sales thread right? just raising the awareness for all.

see, on what grounds can we say NO to the person to sell things?  nothing. no grounds.

and let's say we approve and the fella end up con someone, i foresee that (based on the mentality see in LYN) the mods / admins will be blamed for approving them in the 1st place.

anything that goes wrong sure mod will get blammed la..that is the nature of the LNY..  

guys..i tink LYN need to set up a rule where only ppl who has a minimum post count of let's say 40-50 to start trading here..buying or selling..if not..there will be a lot of conman registering new accounts as members then start cheating ppl's money..alot of scams are from new members (no offense to new honest members)..although members are told to be becareful ady. i dun tink most conman will have the interest to post kaokao 1st only start cheating. only serious buyers/sellers willing to wait the post count to reach the min limit to start trading. if this rule is not set up..there will be more and more con cases. anyone can just register new account wif zero post and start selling/buying stuffs here. this is just an opinion from me..still most important is the buyer/seller need to be cautious all the time .

^ Then there will be people spamming around so that they can be able to trade.

Sometimes, con job not done by seller too. Buyer's ridiculous demand on 2nd hand item causes some responsible sellers to suffer. We all know that buying 2nd hand item, it won't be perfect. I've encountered cases like buyer bought the item, he/she's not happy with it, ask for refund although the item is not faulty and sold as stated in the WTS thread. If seller refuses to refund, voila, TZDRC.

that's HUMAN nature. not LYN nature. therefore knowing HUMAN nature is as such, don't expect LYN to implement rules that subject the staff / admin / mod / TE to the wratch of HUMAN nature.
and so setting minimum post is going to help? it's not. it's not going to help AT ALL if the people keep doing trades without going through their head.

in a forum like LYN - 50 post is NOT hard to achieve either.

there will be more and more con cases as long as there are silly buyers lurking around. end of story.

agree with wat u guys said too. but is there a way to ensure safe trading in LYN? not 100% tho but as much as possible. so at the end of the day..the buyers just need to be cautious?

agree with wat u guys said too. but is there a way to ensure safe trading in LYN? not 100% tho but as much as possible. so at the end of the day..the buyers just need to be cautious?

DEAL LOCALLY WITH FOLKS YOU CAN MEET IN PERSON - follow this one simple rule and you will avoid 99% of the scam attempts.

For sugegstion, I suggest Low Yat to setup a formally report database to avoid repeated conman cases.  Reading from the cases I see many cases was repeated because newbie did not read the database prior to conduction transactions.

I agreed all these fault are due to the newbie and the conman, anyhow we shall help them and avoid peoples from being cheated at LYN. 

This is our society and we shall take responsiblle to avoid unethical conducts the best we can do.  If LYN can do that, LYN will be long life.

Thanks.