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robert82
post Oct 17 2018, 06:28 PM

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This is going to be long post, but I have considered all angles and need some advises / additional views as you all may be more thoughtful than me.

My current setup, Google Home -> LG TV (Turned half smart using Chromecast) -> Soundbar and Dining and Bar lights with Yeelight.

I plan to change my current light and fans switches (2 and 3 gang type) to smart switches to further connect with Google Home.

Basically, living room, dining room, staircase, 2 Guest Rooms , Upstairs living room and Master room lights and fans.

Now I'm looking at Sonoff, but most of the light switches doesn't have neutral, all but one of them has a side 20amp power for AC. First thoughts to pull the neutral from that , however may not be good idea safety wise? Thoughts?

Second thoughts, Broadlink or Xiaomi Aqara. However broadlink needs hub? Xiaomi Aqara seems to be only 2 gang type, I do need 3 gang switches by the way.

Appreciate some insights, thoughts into this.
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post Oct 17 2018, 06:47 PM

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QUOTE(Fubar20 @ Oct 17 2018, 06:38 PM)
Not long enough. laugh.gif

1. Can pull neutral from it provided it is the same phase. Different phase N wire will trip. I had done this with Sonoff T1 UK switch but I seldom switch on the aircon switch next to it.
Since you are using GH, why don't you use Sonoff Basic? If same phase, will this be safety concern? Some rooms may have ac turn on daily.

2. Ya, Broadlink need the RM pro to connect with GH.

3. Can combine Aqara 2 gang with 1 gang? Not suitable if using with GH.
PS: Can use Home Assistant to connect Aqara with GH. brows.gif
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1) Yes, using GH, however Sonoff Basic is? I am planning to replace wall switches, how will Sonoff Basic suit this?

3) Home assistant would need extra raspberry pie and config? In this case might not be favourable as I'm trying to minimize devices for the smart home. Combine Aqara 2 gang with 1 gang might be an option, but it creates extra drilling work lol.

Seems like either pulling neutral or broadlink is the best option.
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post Oct 17 2018, 06:47 PM

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QUOTE(kelembai @ Oct 17 2018, 06:38 PM)
Light switch that side by side to Ac or socket can be replace with sonoff. U can use it neutral amd koop to sinoff light switch
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Yes, concern here is on safety, as some AC will be turned on daily.
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post Oct 17 2018, 09:42 PM

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QUOTE(kelembai @ Oct 17 2018, 09:22 PM)
ya anyway it up to you, at moment at my house I pull the neutral from my ac .
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Noted, appreciate your input as well.
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post Oct 17 2018, 10:41 PM

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QUOTE(Fubar20 @ Oct 16 2018, 02:15 PM)
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post Oct 17 2018, 11:03 PM

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robert82
post Oct 18 2018, 09:40 AM

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So after reading around.

Seems like i'll need a set of aqara (due to 1 location on stairs) need dual way switch.

As for Broadlink / Sonoff, sonoff is better off. I'll bite the bullet and try to get the neutrals sorted out.

Hope all works, else RM600 for the sonoff will fly...
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post Oct 18 2018, 10:09 AM

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QUOTE(idoblu @ Oct 18 2018, 10:02 AM)
Things to also consider -

Voice Assistant to a few devices like TV, Soundbar etc is cool but if you need to bark at Google Home every time you wanna turn on a light, that will be tiresome. I give you an example - say you have a dry kitchen, wet kitchen, and a bathroom at the back. Say you want to go to that bathroom at the back, you need to tell GH, "Hey Google turn on dry kitchen lights,------>Hey Google, turn on wet kitchen lights ----->Hey google Turn on Bathroom lights......"
Stopping in between each room. By the time the turn on the first set of lights, I think you already reach the bathroom. You gonna place a voice assistant all over your house?

Your house sounds pretty big. Have you counted how many switches you will need? Take a count first - how many 2 gang, how many 3 gang, etc.
And if your house is big, do you have any wifi dead spots now? You may need to set up a powerful wifi router to accommodate all these.
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I counted that i need 4 pieces of 3 gang type and 5 pieces of 2 gang type, that will cover most if not all places.
Wifi dead zone, i may have some.

However other than placing GH all over the house, is there a better idea?

House is only 2.5k sqrt build up.
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post Oct 18 2018, 11:10 AM

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QUOTE(Zot @ Oct 18 2018, 10:35 AM)
Probably you need a good AP for coverage. For a two-story house that size, only 1 AP is needed and still get get very good signal strength I believe.
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Currently I'm running 2 AP, both with different names but ultimately linking to same router.
Not exactly sure will be an issue or not.
Can't find info online.

On side notes, I have gotten an electrician over, dude doesn't recommend pulling neutral from side 20amp switch. Dilemma.
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post Oct 18 2018, 11:19 AM

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QUOTE(Fubar20 @ Oct 18 2018, 11:15 AM)
Thank you for joining.  rclxms.gif 
Sonoff also can be set to be 2 way switch also. Can set scene where button 1 switch 1 (not connected at the live output) can switch light for button 1 switch 2, for example.
ohmy.gif How many switch are you buying? Wanna flash it to Tasmota firmware to integrate in Home Assistant?  brows.gif 
Always buy one with extra gang than you need (need 2 gang but buy 3 gang, for example) and program the extra gang to like switch off a group of lights.
For example, gang 1 and 2 is connect to lights then set gang 3 to switch off both gang 1 and gang 2 lights.

Better idea is to put automation. Ask kelembai for assistance.  laugh.gif
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Automation based on presence? I'm trying to avoid motion sensor at the moment, don't want too many gadgets lying around the house yet.

Currently buying 9 switches. But im back to square one after what the electrician told me.

Anyone else pulling neutral from ac/heater power just beside the wall switch?
Would appreciate more feedbacks.
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post Oct 18 2018, 11:41 AM

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QUOTE(Fubar20 @ Oct 18 2018, 11:28 AM)
There's no turning back once you tasted the satisfaction of using smart home devices. Ask idoblu on it.  biggrin.gif

Unless it is different phase of neutral, the other concern might be the load on the circuit breaker I think.
Did the electrician say why it is not recommended? 
Mine Sonoff wall switch also pull N from air con but the air con was rarely used / not used for long hours and it didn't trip when Sonoff switch and aircon is on at the same time.
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He has concern the neutral support both and worried of overload.
But i have reservation on his experience dealing with smart switches.

The load pull should be minimal only to support the wifi for Sonoff.

I have option of Broadlink, Aqara and Sonoff now.

Broadlink (need hub) not favourable, but no need neutral. Someone mentioned alot problems, but when google seems minimal
Aqara (need hub) no need neutral, I'll need a set of this to replace one of my switch. Hoping can do it without hub.
Sonoff , best looking, no hub, concern on just the neutral.


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post Oct 18 2018, 12:47 PM

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QUOTE(Zot @ Oct 18 2018, 11:59 AM)
You want to pull N wire from 20A switch for what load? Theoretically, it does not matter as long as you do not change your MCB to higher load.

In your AP case, what are frequencies and channels use? Probably interference is killing signal and create dead zone?
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All the neutrals currently used for AC . Some ac on once a week , some on daily . The switch that pull it is all lights or fan . Lights are led , fan is normal Panasonic

AP frequency should be 20 channel need to double check . I’m not worried in the dead zone yet . This problem worst come to worst I get damn powerful router lol
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post Oct 18 2018, 12:48 PM

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I have Xiaomi yeelight . Setup is tricky and not easy . So I’m not keen on Xiaomi ecosystem where I can . By the way can I use Xiaomi switches without gateway ? Or the gateway is a must
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post Oct 18 2018, 04:26 PM

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QUOTE(Zot @ Oct 18 2018, 12:59 PM)
Usually the 20A switch is serve directly by a single 20A MCB. I think it is not a problem. Usually the fan even probably loop through lighting N wire.

Just make sure your two AP channels are not overlapping each other. Both 2.4GHz? If they are and if you are setting them for 802.11n, then use channel 3 and 11.
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"Usually the 20A switch is serve directly by a single 20A MCB. "
Does this means if i check in DB i can confirm it?

" Usually the fan even probably loop through lighting N wire."
Sorry, in layman terms, if the fan and light loop through the lighting N wire, then i connect it to the side 20AMP ac neutral, not an issue?


Just make sure your two AP channels are not overlapping each other. Both 2.4GHz? If they are and if you are setting them for 802.11n, then use channel 3 and 11.

Sounds doable, I'll leave this to the last, i have tinkered with them previously, not per my expectations.

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post Oct 18 2018, 05:49 PM

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QUOTE(kelembai @ Oct 18 2018, 05:33 PM)
Haha im also in learning stage. My suggestion, start with switch light that you use reqularly. At momemt im using sonoff switch for hall and room but toilet im use aqara with sensor
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question, don't you think it is odd to have aqara, and sonoff in the house together, not counting your existing dumb plug?
I for one, prefer uniformity -.-
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post Oct 18 2018, 06:14 PM

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QUOTE(Fubar20 @ Oct 18 2018, 06:01 PM)
Then you have to slow slow wait.
There isn't one standard for all these devices except for the tech (Zigbee, Zwave, WiFi, RF)
The closest to integrate all is by using Home Assistant, Openhab and other open source software.
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yes, that's why damn headache.
No one has proper integration.

Apple normally has the best, but they are lagging way behind google home
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post Oct 18 2018, 07:34 PM

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QUOTE(Fubar20 @ Oct 18 2018, 11:15 AM)
Thank you for joining.  rclxms.gif 
Sonoff also can be set to be 2 way switch also. Can set scene where button 1 switch 1 (not connected at the live output) can switch light for button 1 switch 2, for example.
ohmy.gif How many switch are you buying? Wanna flash it to Tasmota firmware to integrate in Home Assistant?  brows.gif 
Always buy one with extra gang than you need (need 2 gang but buy 3 gang, for example) and program the extra gang to like switch off a group of lights.
For example, gang 1 and 2 is connect to lights then set gang 3 to switch off both gang 1 and gang 2 lights.

Better idea is to put automation. Ask kelembai for assistance.  laugh.gif
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So I have been thinking hard about your sentence.

Sonoff as 2 way switch.

Here's my situation, my staircase has 2 switch, one on first floor another on ground floor.

Ground floor, no issue to tap the nearby neutral belonging to AC switch.
First floor has no nearby neutral.

Can I change just the ground switch to Sonoff, and use it as 2 way with the one on first floor?

It sounds impossible... but ideas are welcomed lol

And based on your suggestion on extra gang, i have cancelled all 2 gang and chose all 3 gang type biggrin.gif
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post Oct 18 2018, 09:21 PM

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QUOTE(Fubar20 @ Oct 18 2018, 08:43 PM)
Current settings are both the dumb switches work as a 2 way switch?
Then it should be ok with your suggestion.
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Yes, both dumb switches.
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post Oct 24 2018, 04:35 PM

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Thanks. Received the Raspberry Pi.

No idea how to start using it LOL
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QUOTE(Fubar20 @ Oct 25 2018, 03:04 PM)
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