technology makes turbo better.. nowadays they can make turbo spool even in low rpm..

But the whole turbo debate ..

with the newer type turbos, there isnt that much lag hence the low to mid also not bad right ?

Well unless you compare to those big ass single turbine turbo in a supra

hahaha

But sc power should be smoother right?

More instant.

Close to a NA engine

smoother and linear..but nowadays turbo already can do what sc can do..smooth, early and linear torque peak.

yeap..those vgt, twin power turbo, twin scroll stuff..replace the need for twin turbo system.

That needs twin scroll turbo right?

But the sc sound is simply

aftermarket sc sound is nice. but i heard sc in merc kompressor sounds like a vacuum cleaner

Quite nice de Vfoom Vfoom Vfoom

I don't think it is simpler. Anything not done properly is cheap because there is no considerations of the outcome of such a simply done up job.

Of course, i am not expecting a big supercharger like those used on american muscle V8s or even the McLaren SLR. But, simply there are other considerations that not a lot of people have thought of before simply saying bolting on a supercharger is better than turbocharging.

Yes, a supercharger makes your engine feels like it has more displacement and provides more instant response. But, not a lot of people would have thought of the load the supercharger puts on the crank. On what is supposed to be only pulling some simple pumps like power steering and water pumps. It is now made to pull the supercharger as well which depending on sizing sucks on more power from the crank that it was originally designed for.

And, the kits that are not done properly with crank support kits actually puts additional strain to the crank and it's bearings causing possible premature failure as the tension between the pulleys on the crank driving the supercharger is huge.

It can be made to spool up to optimum speeds with lower flow into the turbine with trickery like variable vane geometry.

But those turbos are really never tough to begin with and people who is looking for monstrous power in the end still goes back to traditional turbos. On top of that, those people have the option of running anti-lag which further causes damage to the turbine fins and bearings in order to minimize lag which sort of help in mitigating the problem itself in the first place should never expect those trickery to work for them.

So, one has to really look into what sort of turbo applications they are looking at. Sensible street driver or all out performance? You can't really expect best of both worlds as turbochargers will run also out of breath as much as it could not catch up quickly enoough if spec'ed wrongly.

This post has been edited by nm7: Apr 14 2015, 12:13 PM

This...



one of my favorite twincharged evo in hillclimb races.

i think that more on engineering/technical stuff.. wrong pulley size of supercharger could make it worst.. so the size of it need to match with engine original torque to make sure it will not too burden the engine when maintaining high rev..

4WD turbo n supercharger, no drama at all... nice

It doesn't matter. The tension has to be there so the belt doesn't slip and when there is tension, there will be load. Where there is load, that means that there is strain.

This post has been edited by nm7: Apr 14 2015, 02:11 PM

Supercharger is fun, just that the air sucked is hot air since no way to slid an intercooler between supercharger and combustion chamber

If really want to go for SC way, invest addon in water/methanol injector to cooled down the sucked air before the combustion chamber.

This water/methanol injector you can get by AEM or Works brand, but you must change/add the solenoid valve from big Aquarium filtering parts to prevent the water/methanol drips when not in use.

The injector will follow the tuning of the ECU for only certain RPM/Load then it will squirt the mist

this you need to have stand alone ECU..

Hi, I saw the sc they did for 86 too, will pay a visit and ask about the pricing. The reason I opt for sc is the linear power delivery. Does yours come installed with inter cooler or similar to cool it down?

Tq for the rest for the input.

the reason why I look into sc is because am not looking for extreme amount of power, and it appears simpler to install and tune. And if I choose to uninstall it, I could sell it to others without a dozen pipings, at leadpst that's my assumption. It does have its short comings and unique problem, like aligning the belt and intricate stuff like that.

I love turbo, because of its simplicity in design and not parasitic on the engine crank, it's just using exhaust gas to power itself. But I still prefer the linear feel of the sc, which is easier on me as a driver. Most turbo car are great on straights, but are scary to push around corners, what I wanted was predictability.

Looks like proreka is the only shop that does sc. Any other good shops that does sc? Ones that hopefully does good work.

Is all down to the type of supercharger.
You still can have an intercooler with those centrifugal type.
Or a intake manifold with integrated intercooler, basically 2 in 1.