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post Apr 6 2015, 09:47 AM, updated 11y ago

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I don't know about you people but I feel that Asian parents' mentality are not so fit with the current modern era.
Yes, this is a ranting thread but also a discussion thread.

1. My parents are in their 60s and eventhough they are at this age, they still find my granduncle annoying. My granduncle is about 70+ and for all you know, at age of 70, he has some weird behaviour that needs a lot of patience. In their eyes, since they are considered old and still not having such behaviour, they show that my granduncle is now a burden to them. He can't walk much and can't do much and that has brought them to feel that he is now a physical burden.

2. Favouritism is always an issue but in my case it's over the limit. For those who read my posts on CC will know what I went through. In this case, I would say that just because my younger sister is the one sitting down at home not going out (AT ALL WITH ANY FRIENDS OR WHATEVER) and listens to my parents' words most of the time, she gets favourited. No matter how much I did for them, it didn't show once I started ignoring their advice and going against them for my fiancee. And for some reasons, I feel that my family is always trying to keep us (the children and everyone else inside) in a protective bubble that protects us from the outside world. The younger sister is still very immature at 25 this year and she has not lived independently outside of my parents' control and protection.

3. Then there is the "we know what is best for you including marrying which girl" issue which still kinda ticks me off a lot. I myself isn't very happy that they have lots to say about my career choices. I wanted to go into Maktab Perguruan to be a govt teacher, they blocked me instantly saying teachers are for lazy people and people who work as teachers got no prospect. Who cares prospect when they earn more than any average office worker and work half of the time others do. So now I ventured in lecturing without letting them influence me. Though not liking it, they still prayed that I give up on this one day and go back being an office worker.

4. YOU OWE THEM YOUR LIFE AND WELL BEING. OMG. This is the worst part of my life. In my few years working life, 75% of my salary goes to them and yet they are not satisfied. I am a toy collector and my fiancee respects that so when I started working, I will use the sub credit-card to buy some stuffs which one month about RM400-500. Still, my salary was RM2k nett and I only have like what, RM600 to use every month. Reason? I don't need so much money to buy stuffs or spend. And the balance from my salary is to pay for my credit cards normally. But, come on. RM1.4k for them and they still desire more. The best part is, both parents of mine are not being truthful to one another in terms of $$$. Mother can tell me that part of my salary has been saved but at the end when I asked for it, they said "No need to eat, no need to pay for this and that? At the end, where got anymore?". So yeah, I ended up stop giving any $$$ to them and that ticked them off again and to the point of not talking to me. I guess they just want me for my money in repayment of me being brought up so 'well'?

Let's share stories of your parents here and rant it all out. Or opinions as well.
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post Apr 6 2015, 09:52 AM

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QUOTE(GreenSamurai @ Apr 6 2015, 09:50 AM)
Wait your salary is only 2.4k but you got fiancée already? Very brave of you there.
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Was 2+k. Now it's wayyy above that la.
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post Apr 6 2015, 09:53 AM

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QUOTE(firewire @ Apr 6 2015, 09:51 AM)
Do you hope that one day in the future your kid also bash you in a public forum? tongue.gif
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Well if I am at fault, I wouldn't mind been bashed. But the thing is, they themselves do not admit their mistakes. They treat every mistake they make as "it's like that wan la".
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post Apr 6 2015, 09:56 AM

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QUOTE(ichigo_6091 @ Apr 6 2015, 09:55 AM)
Ts, no offense la, but what you described is 140% cainis parents
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But come on, I am freaking 30. No need to do this to me anymore.
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post Apr 6 2015, 10:08 AM

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QUOTE(Zaryl @ Apr 6 2015, 10:03 AM)
Be very grateful to your parents la.
They are the ones that brought you to this world. Of course they wanted the best for their children right?

Ditch your toys hobby & grow up become a man. Or find a cheaper hobby to compensate for your mediocre average monthly salary dude.
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Guess you don't really see the problem here.

It's not about the toys and stuffs.

I actually am glad I collected toys cause at least I have some assets to sell if I need to.

What happened is that my father spent most of the household $$$ buying 4D with excuses that it is for the future of the family if he ever strikes big.

Bullcrap I tell you.

Even if I don't buy toys, money will end up somewhere not recoverable.
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post Apr 6 2015, 10:09 AM

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QUOTE(Xonius @ Apr 6 2015, 10:07 AM)
I dunno why would TS collect bloody farkin toys at the cost of 25% of his salary. Are the toys limited editions that can be sold off for a handsome fortune later on? If not, dump that useless hobby and start saving for the real world.

Also, you have for a lack of a better word, shitty parents. Parents who truly love their child would not ask for anything back, instead they would give more to their kids so could live a better life than they had.
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They said every sane children in the world will actually pay back and support the parents so they can retire and relax and lead a better life. So they feel that they should be getting at least something in return to reward their dedication in bringing us up.
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post Apr 6 2015, 10:12 AM

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QUOTE(Akmall540 @ Apr 6 2015, 10:11 AM)
ask ur parent to watch 3 idiots movie. got that part when parent cant force to do what they dont like. and how to overcome it.
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Instead they watch stupid TVB dramas that show sons / daughters go emo and leave their potential partners when the parents disagree and they feel proud about it.
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post Apr 6 2015, 10:13 AM

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QUOTE(quovadis123 @ Apr 6 2015, 10:12 AM)
Collected toys so can sell later if you need it to.
It's still another excuse like your father did.

Start saving for your future life. Save the money in your bank account.
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Yeah, that's why I am trying not to give any $$$ to my parents and they seem very unhappy.

Once they came to me and asked me: "Why stopped giving money? You stay here no need eat, no need pay electricity, water and all? You think you stay here for free wan ah?"
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post Apr 6 2015, 10:21 AM

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QUOTE(jacckl @ Apr 6 2015, 10:15 AM)
ok, that is a shitty way of thinking. people give excuse all the time when they can't manage their financial well. toys are not asset, they are hobby. you spend 25% on hobby while you barely able to save are just plain stupid. you mention your fiancee and you are around 30's, do you no plan to marry at all? you can set aside rm50 monthly for your hobby and then put the rest all into saving.
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That's what I am trying to do now but at the end, here's how the calculation works in my family:

My Income = RM2.0k nett (example)
My Toys and Expenses = RM600 (given to me as pocket money for me to spend however I want)
My credit card expenses = RM400 (petrol and some buying stuffs)

Balance = RM1.0k left (to be fully utilised by my family)

So, when I found my gf and started dating, the RM600 wasn't enough for paying for food and all as sometimes I wanna buy her special stuffs or go for special dinners (maybe once a month).

But in their eyes if the equation can go:

RM2.0k nett Salary
RM600 (food is about RM300) so no other spending required (which includes going out with friends or gf is not required at all), I can save RM300 and they can give me lesser every month.

So their spending pattern is, the more they have, the more they spend.
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post Apr 6 2015, 10:23 AM

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QUOTE(ichigo_6091 @ Apr 6 2015, 10:18 AM)
maybe she is stressed because she is the only one parenting you and doesn't really know how to, got that old mindset thinking, you must learn from her, by avoiding the bad things you observe
After uni graduate already, not like anybody can control also,you can do whatever you want
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I could only start doing my own things freely after I hit 27 and it was toooo late.

Got controlled like shyt:

1) Going out late at night, kena scolded

2) Don't go back eat dinner cause work got extra load, kena scolded for not telling early

3) Wanna go pak toh with gf that time and not going back for dinner, kena scolded

4) Wanna go stay over at friend's house, kena scolded
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post Apr 6 2015, 10:31 AM

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QUOTE(jacckl @ Apr 6 2015, 10:29 AM)
i know about your case at cc, you still not yet move out?
find a cheaper hobby  wink.gif
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House not ready cause of bank loan stamping took time.

Then my mother promised give me 100k, but she dun wan give like in full.

She feels sakit hati to release sekaligus.
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post Apr 6 2015, 10:43 AM

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QUOTE(mw1980 @ Apr 6 2015, 10:40 AM)
If you still stay with them and eat at home pay at least 800-1000 lo. If not try and stay outside and pay all the rents, bills and other expenses yourself.

Rent a shitty room in KL: 400
Unifi: 160
TNB+Water: 50
Dinner: 300 (Cause you don't eat at home anymore)
RM 910 already haven't include your phone bill, lunch, pakto expenses, insurance, petrol, car maintenance, car installment, toll, parking and etc.

How about:
Cleaning tools and detergents? Toilet paper? Laundry? Maggi Mee? Eggs? Snacks? Broken stuffs? Wear and tear stuffs? Service and maintenance? Astro? All no need money ah?

The best thing you can do is nego with them and fix the figure like 800-1000 per month and no more extra, and tell them the money is for expenses not for buying toto. No need to feel too bad cause you're not the only one out there. You can't choose your parents. Anyway for your collection, if the values will appreciate then ok, if the values only depreciate I suggest you stop it because when you're poor you don't deserve a hobby like this.
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I am already in process to get a house of my own in end of April.

Here comes the problem:

Current Salary of me and my wife to be combined is RM6.2k (nett).

After cutting house expenses and all, should be about RM400-500 with savings.

But in my parents' eyes, 400-500 give them also no use.

Too small amount.

I earn RM3k per month, they want RM2k cause it grows by proportion.
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post Apr 6 2015, 10:49 AM

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QUOTE(alanyuppie @ Apr 6 2015, 10:42 AM)
I believe you weren't a bit grateful (or ever being vocal about it) regarding this "Asian Mindset" ?
Again, I repeat.... stop being in denial.. toys is not a good investment.
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Well grateful yes but totally grateful no. Why you ask?

Here's the list of things that happened:

1) I had a gf whom they didn't like and I fought with her and seemingly broke off

2) I wanted to buy a house of my own and my mother agreed to give me RM100k for the downpayment and rest of things so I went to arrange for the bank loan and all.

3) When they heard that I was back with my old gf (when my status of the loan for the house still pending), my mother outright said I do not deserve the money as she feels that I am conning her money. Why? Because I reconciled with the girl that they didn't agree on.

4) Fights went on and stuffs and when my bank loan approved, my father told my mother NOT TO GIVE ME A SINGLE PENNY because I AM BACK WITH THE GIRL. At the end, my mother told me that she will give me the 100k and ask me to bla after the 100k and no more connection with them and that if not for the earlier promise that if my bank loan is successful I will get the 100k, I wouldn't be getting anything at all. She never wanted to give if I continued dating this girl that they didn't like.

5) My mother promised to give but I had to beg for it. Like, I need to get this and that, can you pass N thousand to me? Huh? Why so much? What you buy? Why so expensive? A lof of shyt.
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post Apr 6 2015, 10:59 AM

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QUOTE(mw1980 @ Apr 6 2015, 10:56 AM)
So both of them retired already? It's tough if both of your parents are gamblers, how much also not enough.
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Father retired like 10+ years ago. He's the gambler.

Mother working.

Mother's salary nett RM6k a month.

Credit Card only can hit RM4-5k a month not counting cash transactions like buying vege at pasar and all. And of course Toto and 4D not masuk yet so yeah.
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post Apr 6 2015, 11:05 AM

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QUOTE(yahiko @ Apr 6 2015, 11:03 AM)
4. YOU OWE THEM YOUR LIFE AND WELL BEING. OMG

this

one of my fren wanna marry this girl which just grads like 1-2 years
the girl family object
reason: my dotter have not earn/repay enough for us yet hence u cannot take her away

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Epicness to the max....
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post Apr 6 2015, 11:13 AM

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QUOTE(Tokyonite @ Apr 6 2015, 11:08 AM)
1. this is ur bapak mamak punya problem, nothing to do with asian parenting mentality
2. same as above
3. yeah ok got ur point, but no use blaming asian parenting. U seemed to be trapped and controlled by ur parents. Anyway, you were good and obedient since u listen to their guidance in terms of ur future. So, i understand your rant.
4. Kesian, they raise u so hard only end up earning rm2k per month. Since 2k so lil, dun let them bug u and own 75% of ur salary. Life must be balanced.
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3. My mistake to listen and follow too much last time.

4. I end up earning 2k per month a few years back.
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post Apr 6 2015, 11:19 AM

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QUOTE(yeelong @ Apr 6 2015, 11:15 AM)
For whatever reason it is, you don't know what have your parents endured in their younger ages. You simply can't say anything that it's bad they think that way. If you dun have simply understanding or tolerance with them, your children will do the same thing on you. if you are a chinese and know mandrine, i have something for you

子欲养而亲不在。
I hope u understand this before it's too late. i know a lot of ppl have a lot of regrets in their life. and This is one of the biggest regretted they have in their life.
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My biggest regret in my life is that I listened too much last time. Their mentality is always stuck in the 60s and 70s. They always feel that whatever that doesn't work or wasn't good back then WILL NEVER BE GOOD NOW. A lot of times I wanted to try learn new stuffs but they always discouraged me telling me it's a waste of time and money to learn stuffs like photography, music, etc etc. To them, it doesn't give them any future financial returns.
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post Apr 6 2015, 11:21 AM

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QUOTE(Mubarak90 @ Apr 6 2015, 11:15 AM)
Why are they so opposed with the idea of your gf into the family? There could be something there, but it could or couldn't make sense.

The thing is that when you are living your the parents, no matter how old you are, you are still their child and they will treat you like one. If really cannot tahan, maybe could go and look for a cheap house either buy or rent.

Maybe you could give some money to them rather than stop giving at all? Even they say "rather than give small amount, better not give at all", it is always better to give, even a little.

I believe TS doesn't hate his parents, only feel that he is treated unjustly or at least not in the manner that is expected. Our parents are growing older as we grow more matured, and the time will come when they will leave this world, just make sure you won't regret when the time comes.

Chaiyok TS~
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Well, that's what I thought at first. Give little is better than not giving but their mindset turned to "give little might as well don't give" cause they can even count out:

Breakfast every morning: RM5 X 30 days = RM150
Electricity RM50
Water RM10

bla bla bla.....

Until whatever I wanna give seems so insignificant.
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post Apr 6 2015, 11:22 AM

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QUOTE(yeelong @ Apr 6 2015, 11:20 AM)
Trust me.. you are not the only to think like that. But in the end your mindset will change will you getting older, mature and have kids. You dun have to know it now but it's always good to know it earlier. But dun become too late for that.
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Well trust me. I have 4 good friends who are the same age as me. None of their families treat them the same way as mine did. They were grateful that their parents were not that concerned and mindful about moneh all the time.
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post Apr 6 2015, 11:28 AM

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QUOTE(yeelong @ Apr 6 2015, 11:25 AM)
TS, money is not everything altho it's very important. Don't ever think that you are the only one to have this kind of family. Like i said, you dunno how your parents endured when they were young and what cause they to think that one. That doesn't mean you are right, they are wrong. You still young to think and can make a different.
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I agree money is not the most important but to them, they feel money is everything to them. I know I am not alone and I can't justify anything. I am not saying I am all right and they are all wrong. I am just saying that I am treated unjustly because my younger sister has a worse character and she was not pushed around like this. Why? Because I never had the intention or chance to actually rebel and fight back. They already assumed that I am the type that no matter how much I am disregarded, I will still crawl back to them.(Directly from what they told me)

They said that they know that I am the type of person that no matter what they asked or forced me to do, I will still go back and call them parents. That's why I end up this way.

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