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 Mazda 2 sedan or Honda City V, Which one?

Which one do you think is better overall?
 
Mazda 2 sedan RM87,969.50 OTR [ 200 ] ** [55.25%]
Honda City V RM90,813.50 OTR [ 162 ] ** [44.75%]
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TSRicoT
post Mar 26 2015, 11:12 PM

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QUOTE(SportyHandling @ Mar 26 2015, 07:47 PM)
Good to hear.

Just saw a Mazda 2 sedan in white in Kota Kinabalu earlier this week. Great looking car, very nice indeed. This is the first B-segment sedan that looks sporty, proportionate and nice at all angles.
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Mazda is famous for their design studio for cars.

Honda is great for their thirst for new technology. The i-DCD hybrid system is one of them, which I was waiting for donkey months, but Honda Malaysia have yet to launch it.

Toyota is has a vast models of cars spawned through out its years and its reliability.

Nissan is famous for their motorsports.

Mitsubishi & Subaru, rally!

QUOTE(lil_flank @ Mar 26 2015, 09:05 PM)
Very detail explanation!

Was in your shoe too..
Initially my plan was to buy a Vios (both my families and all relatives drives a toyota) but Vios don't have VSC so plan to buy a 2nd hand Toyota camry since there are 9 family members and relatives driving it. All recommended me to buy it. But it doesn't excites me if I buy a 2nd hand toyota camry. Mayb becoz it is not a new car, the dasboard looks kinda old, VSC is only available on 2.4 high spec and my dad is also driving a toyota camry although I have to admit it is very spacious and comfortable.

So I plan to buy a Honda City. Test drive it and was very happy with it. Probably becoz I am driving an old proton saga which is 10+ years.
When I heard and saw the new Mazda 2, I instantly fall in love with it especially when they announce the price is below Rm90k and revealed the sedan. I am also a sedan guy, hehe.. The spec was almost full spec with a tempting price. I can find a dozen reasons that I should buy the mazda 2 instead of the Honda city. The only thing that bothers me is the cabin space and boot space since I have a 1 year old baby. I need to put a baby car seat. When I heard the Mazda 2 hb has reached my nearest Mazda showroom, I quickly ask my friends who is taller than me to join me to test drive. When I saw the car, it was love in 1st sight. I like the kudo design and sporty 16in rim very much. When I sat in the driver seat, the dashboard looks like merc C class + BMW 3 series, haha.. The HUD, touch panel, turning knob near the handbrake, fine red lining stitch on the leather seat and dashboard looks very cool! I also agree the mazda 2 is more fun to drive. When I ask feedback from my friend sitting at the back, they say the legroom is very cramp. Their head almost hit the back windscreen when I drove pass the speeding hump. They are 175cm and 180cm tall. When they sat at the driver seat and adjusted the seat, my legroom only have 1cm clearance. I am 165cm seat. I may have difficulty in installing the baby car seat because it need to face the back. Sometimes I also need to bring 2-3 passengers.

So in the end, I choose the Honda City. So far, so good..
But prefer the Mazda 2 sedan Red soul if I haven't have kids yet. Envy u la Ricot!

Recently my wife just told me she is pregnant, so luckily I didnt choose the Mazda 2 for my case..
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Yes, I categorised Mazda 2 as driver-centric car, very much is for a person is still single when the car is bought, it is a fun car to drive, the ergonomics of the car is catered for a driver with one passenger, like a coupe, only with 4 doors. The rear passengers will feel cramp a bit, unless the rear passenger sit in unusual to Malaysian upright sitting posture for more moving space. Fitting two baby car seats shouldn't be a problem since Europeans do use them in this car, as well as Polo. So why not? The only possible issue is the rear boot space for 2 baby pram/stroller.

Honda City is a passenger-centric car, suitable for a young family with 2 or 3 young children, as the time passby, the children will grow up and take up adult size sitting area. The City is spacious, no doubt, wins hands down.

It all boils down to what best suits your situation and needs. There is no need for negative feelings since getting the right tools for the right job is always the best move and important decision, no need to envy nor regret. Glad you got a car which will serves your family well. icon_rolleyes.gif
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post Mar 27 2015, 02:02 AM

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QUOTE(RicoT @ Mar 25 2015, 01:46 AM)
Thanks. Now on to colour selection.
Done with the summary in first post.
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GRATZ

For me, it's either red or white.
But since the white offered is pearl white (and i have not seen one yet), it make me leans toward red
Pearl white is notoriously hard to take care. Some even consider it as OLD white (yellowish) just after few months under our beloved sun

TSRicoT
post Mar 27 2015, 12:22 PM

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QUOTE(JunJun04035 @ Mar 27 2015, 02:02 AM)
GRATZ

For me, it's either red or white.
But since the white offered is pearl white (and i have not seen one yet), it make me leans toward red
Pearl white is notoriously hard to take care. Some even consider it as OLD white (yellowish) just after few months under our beloved sun
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I will place my booking this weekend. I most probably go with Aluminum Metallic. Easier to maintain (I haven't wash my car since CNY, silver + greyish dust = slightly darker silver only. Hehe!) and scratches won't be that obvious?

Red and dark grey, once scratched, you can't ignore it because it is very contrasting against the colour (scratches are normally white colour right?)

White is very hard to maintain, easily form dust teardrops, unless I do some sort of coating?

This post has been edited by RicoT: Mar 27 2015, 12:24 PM
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post Mar 27 2015, 12:40 PM

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For Honda City, other than the top V-spec, the rest of the specs are running on Goodyear GT3 tyres, which are CRAP. I can't wait to replace my Jazz's tyres. It roars on rough road surface.
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post Mar 27 2015, 11:00 PM

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QUOTE(victor_hoh @ Mar 27 2015, 12:40 PM)
For Honda City, other than the top V-spec, the rest of the specs are running on Goodyear GT3 tyres, which are CRAP. I can't wait to replace my Jazz's tyres. It roars on rough road surface.
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That might be the case for my test drive cars. The V spec test drive car in Glenmarie is notably more quiet than the E spec test drive car at OKR. Yet, the NVH is still high compare to my old City. Don't know why?

Test drove HRV, tyre noise intruding into the cabin too, even with the V spec.
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post Apr 22 2015, 10:11 AM

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QUOTE(towar @ Apr 22 2015, 11:05 AM)
? are u saying 30 thousand malaysians are stupid idiots for booking the city ?
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Logic by numbers doesn't hold water. There are millions of smokers in Malaysia. They aren't stupid when choosing to smoke I guess?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populum

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post Apr 24 2015, 12:25 AM

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QUOTE(towar @ Apr 22 2015, 10:05 AM)
other car brand salesman like yourself always tell lies here. Honda city is the best selling non-national model in Malaysia, with record number of bookings.
u still want to tell lies here and say city is no good ? are u saying 30 thousand malaysians are stupid idiots for booking the city ?
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Check price first, Honta City sells most are the lower specs at dirt cheap price. Those who could afford Mazda 2 will go for Mazda 2 already, won't bother to go for the cheap low quality junk City.
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post Apr 24 2015, 12:28 AM

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QUOTE(alanyuppie @ Apr 22 2015, 10:11 AM)
Logic by numbers doesn't hold water. There are millions of smokers in Malaysia. They aren't stupid when choosing to smoke  I guess?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populum
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Well said Ultra Magnus. Decepticon @towar now retreats after taking a big blow from you.
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post Apr 24 2015, 10:03 AM

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Mazda 2 not worth la...the car look so small...better save up a bit get mazda 3
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post Apr 24 2015, 10:50 AM

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QUOTE(towar @ Apr 22 2015, 10:05 AM)
other car brand salesman like yourself always tell lies here. Honda city is the best selling non-national model in Malaysia, with record number of bookings.
u still want to tell lies here and say city is no good ? are u saying 30 thousand malaysians are stupid idiots for booking the city ?
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No doubt Honda City is potentially the best selling non-national model at this moment, since it has big spacious cabin. However, we must know everyone have different criteria when selecting a car of what they like, i.e. number of passengers, maintenance, looks, perception of quality, design, heritage, affordability, etc.

Hence, I would strongly discourage a family with budget from buying Mazda 2 and better go with City. Why? They are already on a budget, if they could afford, they would go with non-national MPV/C/D-segment. Vice versa, Mazda 2 is more of a fun to drive car for singles or family one children to begin with, who are looking for an upgrade from a Viva/Myvi or older cars which maintenance cost getting out of hand.

Salesman are there for a reason, to sell. It is their job, to promote their own brand, don't blame them, many are honest and will tell you the pro of their car, and the con of other cars. Go to every different brand dealer and do research, then you will be well informed yourself.

QUOTE(jayraptor @ Apr 24 2015, 12:25 AM)
Check price first, Honta City sells most are the lower specs at dirt cheap price. Those who could afford Mazda 2 will go for Mazda 2 already, won't bother to go for the cheap low quality junk City.
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I wouldn't say City is cheap and low quality. It is just a RM90k B-segment car, what do you expect? Mercedes comfort with BMW sportiness? It is designed to be affordable for SEA market.

QUOTE(towar @ Apr 24 2015, 09:44 AM)
thanks to Honda for giving us value for money cars. not like the greedy bermaz which sells the cramped mazda 2 at high price.
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The design of the car is not up to the distributors to decide, hence your argument is invalid.

What about Honda '04-'09 clutch-type CVT gearbox issue? Or the rough fabric City '14 is using? These are not for distributors to control. Design input? Maybe.

QUOTE(commanderz @ Apr 24 2015, 10:03 AM)
Mazda 2 not worth la...the car look so small...better save up a bit get mazda 3
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B-segment RM90k cannot compare with C-segment RM125k. Compare City with Civic? C-segments are bigger, higher maintenance, and FC cannot compare with B-segment.
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post Apr 24 2015, 11:24 AM

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sport - go mazda 2
conform - go to city
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post Apr 27 2015, 09:16 PM

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QUOTE(towar @ Apr 24 2015, 09:44 AM)
thanks to Honda for giving us value for money cars. not like the greedy bermaz which sells the cramped mazda 2 at high price.
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CKD now gets to enjoy cheaper tax rate than CBU from Thailand. Before this, both no difference but starting from 2013, things changed as the management find themselves losing profit when car manufacturers turned to Thai.

Honta City CBU from Thai 2009-2013 1.5E with 5AT conventional gearbox, the cheapest S spec was priced at RM84k. New Honta City, the cheapest S spec priced RM74k. The RM10k reduction apart from CKD exemption is from cost cutting giving ciplak materials and cheap to produce but less reliable CVT gearbox. If you sat in the older '09 City compared to '15 City, you can feel the newer one has lousy quality tin kosong.

Bernas Mazda 2 comes with high build quality, advanced tech and gearbox that aren't cheap at cost, they give you RM86k is already considered generous. Honta City highest spec at RM90k is not cheap looking at the cost involved, an empty tin can with weak chassis giving you 6 airbags & VSC is no big deal, the car itself is bad, whatever VSC or 6 airbags also useless if the frame would cave in easily.
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post Apr 27 2015, 09:19 PM

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QUOTE(jeremy05 @ Apr 24 2015, 11:24 AM)
sport - go mazda 2
conform - go to city
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Are you forgetting Elantra & Cerato? If wanted comfort and space, go for Elantra & Cerato.

City, what space & comfort you get? Nothing but cramped interior for 4 adults, 5th person no place to sit already.
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QUOTE(jayraptor @ Apr 27 2015, 09:19 PM)
Are you forgetting Elantra & Cerato? If wanted comfort and space, go for Elantra & Cerato.

City, what space & comfort you get? Nothing but cramped interior for 4 adults, 5th person no place to sit already.
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korea car? no no...
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post Apr 28 2015, 01:51 PM

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QUOTE(towar @ Apr 28 2015, 09:55 AM)
1. Honda city is roomy and spacious , both in passenger space and boot space. its more suitable for families compared to cramped mazda2. clever Malaysians realize this which is why its much better selling than the cold car mazda2.

2. Honda city is a safe car , don't tell lies here. it is sold globally means it passed crash tests in Europe, japan, and USA.
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If I am not mistaken, none of the City manufactured locally is sold outside of Asean, apart from Honda Grace, which I believed is manufactured in Japan. You are referring to Honda Jazz/Fit perhaps?
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post Apr 28 2015, 02:23 PM

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Interior....Mazda 2
Exterior...Mazda 2
FC...Do not know...
Second Hand Value...Do not know...

This B segment...H & T need to do something...
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QUOTE(RicoT @ Apr 28 2015, 01:51 PM)
If I am not mistaken, none of the City manufactured locally is sold outside of Asean, apart from Honda Grace, which I believed is manufactured in Japan. You are referring to Honda Jazz/Fit perhaps?
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India, Australia, Taiwan, Singapore, Thailand and Japan (Grace) are amongst the countries it sold iinm.

Correct me if i'm wrong.






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post Apr 30 2015, 09:39 PM

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QUOTE(towar @ Apr 28 2015, 09:55 AM)
1. Honda city is roomy and spacious , both in passenger space and boot space. its more suitable for families compared to cramped mazda2. clever Malaysians realize this which is why its much better selling than the cold car mazda2.

2. Honda city is a safe car , don't tell lies here. it is sold globally means it passed crash tests in Europe, japan, and USA.
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Honta City failed safety & reliability. What safe? It's just the same old chassis as the previous known to have fatal cases.

Mazda is proven to be best survival case, being hit and rammed by 10 tonne semi-truck and the owner walked out alive unhurt, that is best car. Reliability & durability wise is top notch, it can challenge Toyota. B

You should stop spreading lies instead. The City is just cost cutting empty tin can variant of 2009 City fitted with obsolete 1.5L engine that is known to have worse FC than Vios and the weak fragile CVT gearbox is just a remake of the older City '03 with the flywheel replaced with torque converter.

Locals who bought City are those who can't afford Vios and Mazda 2. City inside, headroom is low, legroom just average and interior width, can forget sitting 3 full size adults behind. Unless you're thin like lidi, then sure can fit you in middle sandwitched between 2 small built adults.
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post Apr 30 2015, 09:43 PM

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QUOTE(rifki.ism @ Apr 28 2015, 02:23 PM)
Interior....Mazda 2
Exterior...Mazda 2
FC...Do not know...
Second Hand Value...Do not know...

This B segment...H & T need to do something...
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FC Mazda won, its engine is advanced GDI engine and the gearbox is advanced 6AT conventional gearbox. Honta City CVT gearbox can only challenge 90's tech low end 4AT that have smaller gears. If pitted the City CVT gearbox against Vios 4AT in full city driving, the Vios 4AT 1st few gears are stronger than City. Those who said City can achieve great FC probably don't know Vios FC in full city driving. Mazda is now king, they'll get best RV soon. ONly on highway City can beat Vios in FC. But compared to Mazda 2, City lost in city & highway driving.

This post has been edited by jayraptor: Apr 30 2015, 09:44 PM
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QUOTE(jayraptor @ Apr 30 2015, 09:39 PM)

Locals who bought City are those who can't afford Vios and Mazda 2. City inside, headroom is low, legroom just average and interior width, can forget sitting 3 full size adults behind. Unless you're thin like lidi, then sure can fit you in middle sandwitched between 2 small built adults.
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