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AlexisStarZ
post Jan 13 2016, 03:32 PM

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hey guys, need some help here
after using ssd on laptop, I can't resist my desktop boot time, is too long
so I decided to buy a ssd for it before CNY

but just wondering, do I need to buy a sata cable in order to plug in the ssd ? or buy ssd got free 1 sata cable ?
as what I found from my motherboard, there only 1 sata cable which split into 2 and connected to both my HDD and dvd drive
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post Jan 13 2016, 04:03 PM

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QUOTE(horns @ Jan 13 2016, 03:51 PM)
yes, you need a new sata cable if your current system doesn't have an additional cable for it. afaik there is no sata cable bundled with a ssd package.
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oo, so if I don't want to clone my current C drive, then I just need to purchase the sata cable ?
if want to clone then only buy both sata cable and sata to usb adapter ??

if correct is it once I buy the ssd, and sata cable (since I don't want to clone), connect the sata cable and power cable from motherboard and power supply and then can proceed to install to windows ?
but before that I need to wipe the C drive that exist on HDD rclxub.gif
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post Jan 13 2016, 10:13 PM

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QUOTE(sue_cinta @ Jan 13 2016, 07:56 PM)
indeed u need to buy extra sata cable (either u plan to fresh install OS or do a clone from existing HDD; except the cloning process need a converter for the sata-to-usb dongle/adapter) since u said ur current pc has only 1 sata cable... the old windows on ur current hdd can be wipe easily afterward when u make the hdd as secondary storage hardisk... but make sure to transfer all needed files (to a large enough external storage like external hdd or large capacity usb pendrive) before u clean wipe everything to zero...
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ya, after transfer all the stuff to external HDD I can proceed to wipe
just wondering since my current hard disk is 1TB, which I split into 2 partition, C and D
by default install Windows on C drive, so before I install Windows on ssd, just wipe C drive can already right ? no need to wipe D drive

QUOTE(horns @ Jan 13 2016, 10:08 PM)
i think a sata cable is good enough. you can use it for cloning too.

yeah the installation is like what you said. make sure it's connected to intel sata port for better performance (check your mobo manual for the right port), and check the bios and make sure the sata operation is set to ahci.

i think it's good to clear the os and system partitions in the hdd first (ONLY DO THIS AFTER FULL DATA BACKUP!) this is to get rid of hidden system partitions that might be added by boot loader as one of your boot options. if you wanna keep the os on hdd as fail safe,you can take out/disconnect the hdd first, then install ssd and do the windows installation. this is to prevent windows installation to use the existing system partitions in hdd to store necessary files of your new install.
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by default already set AHCI biggrin.gif
as I mention at above, since my hard disk is 1TB, and I split into 2 partition, C and D
is it I just need to wipe C drive only as I install Windows on C drive, after wipe it then only proceed to install to Windows in ssd ??

looks complicated, for my laptop I straight away wipe everything as I buy the ssd after 1 week laugh.gif
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post Jan 14 2016, 03:31 AM

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QUOTE(horns @ Jan 13 2016, 11:27 PM)
ok hehe

it's better to wipe the hdd clean. if not, i suggest you clean up c: and system partitions that are hidden too, because there is a chance that the new installation will make use of existing system partitions.
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well I think I just proceed to wipe the C and system partition that created by Windows when I install on HDD last time
as for D drive remain untouch tongue.gif

btw, since I going to install Windows on ssd which it become the new C drive
and my old C drive that in HDD will change to D, then the old D I need to change the letter to E or others right in order to prevent same name hmm.gif
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post Jan 14 2016, 06:05 PM

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QUOTE(sue_cinta @ Jan 14 2016, 05:16 AM)
ohh, didn't know that u partitioned the single 1TB hdd... you can just wipe the C: partition and like Horns says included the hidden system partition (if u used wins 10, it usually 500MB in size), then leaft the D: partition untouched... if it was mine, i prefer to transfered all the remaining files in the D: partition and wipe entire HDD and make it as a single partition only... just take few times only to do so... but, like I said, if u dont wanna waste time and wanna get easier, just left the D: partition as it is smile.gif
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seems not bad having 1 partition on the hdd, that what I do on my laptop laugh.gif
but how to do it ? after wipe the C drive on HDD, for D drive remain untouch
in disk management can extend the storage for D drive eh ?

QUOTE(horns @ Jan 14 2016, 10:26 AM)
Yes you should do that. My point is that the system partitions might be reused by windows installer if the hdd is present when new installation takes place. This might not be what you want. By 'wiping' i don't mean just reformatting, but deleting partitions physically (and logically), leaving behind unallocated space. I normally use windows installer to do that, since you cannot remove any of them when they are in use. After that, shut down the computer, install new ssd, and boot it to do new install.

It sounds complicated but it's easy to do in practice.
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so if I delete the C drive that exist on HDD and I want to make it as 1 partition only how to do it ?
in Disk Management can extend the volume for the D drive (example from 500gb to full HDD size) ?
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post Jan 15 2016, 12:03 AM

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QUOTE(horns @ Jan 14 2016, 06:44 PM)
yeah just use disk management to extend the volume.
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alright thanks for the help
if got any question will ask again
going to buy ssd before CNY tongue.gif
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post Jun 12 2016, 10:39 PM

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thinking which ssd to get for my desktop
currently my laptop using samsung evo 850, so far so good, which using v-nand technology

currently eyeing on kingston uv400 and samsung evo 850 for my desktop, for kingston uv400 it using TLC controller, meanwhile samsung evo 850 using v-nand controller
both price difference around RM 180 as I am decided to get 240 / 250gb
kingston UV400 price is around RM 250, as for samsung evo 850 price around RM 430

I read some article regarding TLC controller might have shorter life span which make me worry, anybody can icon_question.gif
don't know that extra RM 180 worth or not (extra 2 years warranty, slightly faster) and better controller which using v-nand ??
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post Jun 13 2016, 09:55 PM

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QUOTE(horns @ Jun 13 2016, 04:11 PM)
it all depends on your budgets. if it's for common usage, entry-level ssd like uv400 should be good enough. i personally will go for 850 evo because of longer warranty period. (have tested m.2 sata variant of 850 evo; not bad)

as for its shelf life, don't worry about it. i have 2x old 840 evo 500gb (planar tlc). after a few years' use (close to 3 years), the tbw is currently about 2tb only (the laptop is used for programming and compiling; running virtual machines. however i do use primocache with deferred writes on).
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what is tbw ??
still confusing either get UV400 evo 850
both r/w speed almost the same, just worried about its life span rclxub.gif

QUOTE(CwwKiT @ Jun 13 2016, 06:30 PM)
Just bought a 480gb sandisk ssd plus for 369(After 150 discount) at gemfive.
Anyone interested can check it out tongue.gif
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can share link ??
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post Jun 14 2016, 12:17 AM

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QUOTE(horns @ Jun 13 2016, 11:55 PM)
tbw is 'total bytes written', a guaranteed limit of the amount of data to be written (and get erased) to ssd within valid warranty period.

another measurement for endurance is wpd, or 'drive writes per day', e.g. for a ssd with a capacity of 480gb, 1 wpd means the ssd is guaranteed so that it can be written 480gb of data everyday without fail, within warranty period. my old samsung sm843t 480gb has a random terabytes written endurance of 2wpd for 5 years, which means it can be written 2x 480gb (its sequential terabytes written endurance is 11 wpd for 5 years) it's an enterprise drive built to last (and expensive). seriously you don't need it.

all in all, just don't worry about the lifespan. with proper use, you will not exceed even the consumer ssd limit for many years. (don't use it for torrents; hdd is good enough for that)
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oo, but just wondering is it worth to pay extra around RM 180 for that samsung evo 850 rclxub.gif
what are the benefit for that evo 850 better than kingston uv400 ?
except using v nand technology and more 2 years warranty rclxub.gif
btw does that kingston uv400 got something like rapid mode like what samsung evo ssd offering laugh.gif
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post Jun 14 2016, 09:48 PM

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QUOTE(horns @ Jun 14 2016, 12:29 AM)
personally i think it's worth it to pay myr 90 per year for the additional warranty; plus you can run rapid mode (free ram caching with magician; if you have extra system ram to do this).

kingston ssd tool doesn't provide ram caching afaik.

it's just my personal preference. if you don't need long warranty or ram cache, you probably can just save 180 and go for uv400.
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haha personally both my laptop and desktop are using 8gb ram only
yet, desktop is running haswell i5, not support dd4 ram cry.gif
as for laptop, running skylake i5 but running ddr3l ram cry.gif

guess will go for kingston as if I buy new desktop straight away put in ssd, lazy to add on later, a lot things need to backup cry.gif

QUOTE(Joey Christensen @ Jun 14 2016, 04:20 PM)
Yeah, I think it's OPTIMISATION instead of DEFRAGMENTATION. Windows 10 has improved management features for SSD and it's a blessing indeed.

I'm still looking forward to removing some of the unnecessary stuff that comes with Windows 10. Maybe slap in 16GB RAM in my lappie as the next step (currently at 8GB of RAM)?  laugh.gif

By the way, I nearly taken home the Sandisk Extreme II but they ran out of stock.  sweat.gif
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sandisk extreme 2 ?
I only saw sandisk ultra 2 rclxub.gif
btw since you using kingston uv400, how much you bought it ?
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post Jun 15 2016, 09:32 PM

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QUOTE(Joey Christensen @ Jun 14 2016, 09:56 PM)
I bought it last Sunday for RM309 (inclusive GST) at Low Yat Plaza. I didn't really do a price comparison and went straight in for the kill. It might not be the best price.  laugh.gif

Oh, it could be either Extreme II or Ultra II.  sweat.gif
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oo I think I will get the kingston uv400 biggrin.gif

QUOTE(horns @ Jun 15 2016, 12:13 AM)
as long as it's sufficient 8gb is fine. however i think the current optimal is 16gb. software do make use of ram to enhance much better user experience.
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if not enough then only add on bah
but right now my desktop are eating dust unless gaming laugh.gif
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post Jun 16 2016, 09:27 PM

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QUOTE(horns @ Jun 15 2016, 10:07 PM)
Yeah it's better to invest it if you use it frequently smile.gif

imo the optimal system setup for current personal computing consists of:

1. 1x sata ssd, at least 240gb;
2. 1x hdd (mainly for data storage);
3. 16gb ram.

This setup is affordable these days. You can use it for quite some time for normal use. When it gets too old, just convert it to storage server at home.
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ya but I am not a heavy user
8gb ram is enough for me
and definitely will convert it into NAS when not using it laugh.gif

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