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May 29 2016, 03:48 PM
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In conjunction with Corpus Christi ...
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May 29 2016, 04:04 PM
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Amen God ... Thank you for guiding Jeff Cavin's words!
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May 29 2016, 04:11 PM
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Good explanation for Bible readings for Corpus Christi 2016 ...
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May 30 2016, 01:12 AM
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Corpus Christi in Taiping, Perak circa 1950:
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May 30 2016, 06:40 PM
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pfffttt!! i dun believe in purgatory
no where in my King James Bible mentions that it exist! u guys are just a bunch of idolators who pray to statues & the Bible clearly warns against that! |
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QUOTE(Mr. WongSF @ May 30 2016, 06:40 PM) pfffttt!! i dun believe in purgatory And no where does the KJV says bible alone....so you are just a book idolater...now run along unless you have something more intelligent to say.... no where in my King James Bible mentions that it exist! u guys are just a bunch of idolators who pray to statues & the Bible clearly warns against that! This post has been edited by yeeck: May 30 2016, 11:21 PM |
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May 31 2016, 08:57 AM
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May 31 2016, 10:29 AM
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![]() "Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb. And whence is this to me, that the mother of my LORD should come to me?" -Luke 1:42-43 |
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May 31 2016, 01:58 PM
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14 Inspiring Photos of Mass Celebrated in War Zones
Nothing is more important than the Mass, and the Church is bound to keep on celebrating it in and out of season. And that includes war. ![]() See more here ... https://churchpop.com/2015/04/20/14-inspiri...d-in-war-zones/ |
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Jun 1 2016, 12:08 AM
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âThe Ark would be the type and image of Christ : for if we look back to the way of the Incarnation of the Only-begotten, we shall see that it is in the temple of the Virgin, as in an ark that the Word of God took up His abode. For in Him dwelt all the fullness of the Godhead bodily, as the Scripture saith. But the testimonies in the ark were the word of God, and the wood of it was imperishable, and with pure and choicest gold was it beautified within and withoutâ
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Jun 1 2016, 10:57 AM
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Disciplina arcani
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Disciplina arcani (Latin for "Discipline of the Secret" or "Discipline of the Arcane") is the custom that prevailed in Early Christianity, whereby knowledge of the more intimate mysteries of the Christian religion was carefully kept from non-Christians and even from those who were undergoing instruction in the faith.[1] In the early stages of Christianity The idea of a disciplina arcani, a law imposing silence upon Christians with respect to their rites and doctrines, has been well-studied in the past century.[2] Some state that a nucleus of oral teaching was inherited from Palestinian and Hellenistic Judaism and formed the basis of a secret oral tradition in the early stages of Christianity.[citation needed] This nucleus of oral teachings (which reflected older traditions and which can be shown to form the background of both Christian and Gnostic conceptions),[3] formed what came to be called disciplina arcani in the 4th century.[4][5] It is characteristic of the disciplina that the subject of the silence was not the dogma and the sacramental gift, but the elements and the ritual performance.[6] Origen, in Contra Celsum, argues that it is the doctrine of the Christians, and not only their rites, which should be secret in character.[7] Even if the elements of ritual performance, such as missa fidelium and other Christian rites were under the disciplina arcani during the early stages of Christianity (especially during the 3rdâ4th century), nobody at the present time can definitively state which other subjects comprised the disciplina. Indeed, Origen, Clement of Alexandria, Tertullian, St. Basil, St. Ambrose of Milan and many other Church Fathers of early Christianity mention an "oral tradition," as in St. Basil's appeal to the "unwritten tradition" in de Spiritu Sancto: Of the dogmata and kerygmata which are kept in the Church, we have some from the written teaching (ξκ ĎÎˇĎ ÎľÎłÎłĎÎąĎÎżĎ Î´ÎšÎ´ÎąĎκιΝΚιĎ), and some we derive from the Apostolic tradition, which had been handed down en mistirio (ξν ÎźĎ ĎĎΡĎΚĎ). And both have the same strength (ĎΡν ÎąĎ ĎΡν ΚĎĎĎ Î˝) in the matters of piety. [...] They come from the silent and mystical tradition, from the unpublic and ineffable teaching.[8] More sources: http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/05032a.htm |
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Jun 1 2016, 02:29 PM
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QUOTE(yeeck @ May 30 2016, 11:03 PM) And no where does the KJV says bible alone....so you are just a book idolater...now run along unless you have something more intelligent to say.... I guess when you say non-catholic is a book idolater you are literally saying you don't believe in the Book. This actually reaffirm the earlier discussions that Bible is not important to you except big T and small t.This also reaffirm the believe that Catholic Church actually tried to stop laymen from possessing or reading the Bible on their own and this intensified through the Middle Ages and later, with the addition of a prohibition forbidding translation of the Bible into native languages. It is not about printing issue. You may have been denying this, or say there is no proof, or that it is just a story concocted by those who were against the Catholic Church, but lets take a look. 1) Pope Innocent III stated in 1199: ... to be reproved are those who translate into French the Gospels, the letters of Paul, the psalter, etc. They are moved by a certain love of Scripture in order to explain them clandestinely and to preach them to one another. The mysteries of the faith are not to explained rashly to anyone. Usually in fact, they cannot be understood by everyone but only by those who are qualified to understand them with informed intelligence. The depth of the divine Scriptures is such that not only the illiterate and uninitiated have difficulty understanding them, but also the educated and the gifted (Denzinger-SchĂśnmetzer, Enchiridion Symbolorum 770-771) Source: Bridging the Gap - Lectio Divina, Religious Education, and the Have-not's by Father John Belmonte, S.J. 2) COUNCIL OF TOULOUSE - 1229 A.D. The Council of Toulouse, which met in November of 1229, about the time of the crusade against the Albigensians, set up a special ecclesiastical tribunal, or court, known as the Inquisition (Lat. inquisitio, an inquiry), to search out and try heretics. Twenty of the forty-five articles decreed by the Council dealt with heretics and heresy. It ruled in part: Canon 1. We appoint, therefore, that the archbishops and bishops shall swear in one priest, and two or three laymen of good report, or more if they think fit, in every parish, both in and out of cities, who shall diligently, faithfully, and frequently seek out the heretics in those parishes, by searching all houses and subterranean chambers which lie under suspicion. And looking out for appendages or outbuildings, in the roofs themselves, or any other kind of hiding places, all which we direct to be destroyed. Canon 14. We prohibit also that the laity should be permitted to have the books of the Old or New Testament; unless anyone from motive of devotion should wish to have the Psalter or the Breviary for divine offices or the hours of the blessed Virgin; but we most strictly forbid their having any translation of these books. (Source: Heresy and Authority in Medieval Europe, Scolar Press, London, England pp. 194-195) Some may doubt that there even was a Church Council in Toulouse France in 1229, so lets check. After the death of Innocent III, the Synod of Toulouse directed in 1229 its fourteenth canon against the misuse of Sacred Scripture on the part of the Cathari: "prohibemus, ne libros Veteris et Novi Testamenti laicis permittatur habere" (Hefele, "Concilgesch", Freiburg, 1863, V, 875). Source: The 1913 Catholic Encyclopedia ... the Council of Toulouse (1229) entrusted the Inquisition, which soon passed into the hands of the Dominicans (1233), with the repression of Albigensianism. (Source: The 1913 Catholic Encyclopedia) 1229 - The Inquisition of Toulouse imposed by Albigensian Crusaders forbids laymen to read the Bible. (Source: The People's Chronology.) 3) The Church Council of Tarragona of 1234 AD: The Council of Tarragona of 1234, in its second canon, ruled that: "No one may possess the books of the Old and New Testaments in the Romance language, and if anyone possesses them he must turn them over to the local bishop within eight days after promulgation of this decree, so that they may be burned lest, be he a cleric or a layman, he be suspected until he is cleared of all suspicion."(Source: D. Lortsch, Historie de la Bible en France (1910) p.14.) 4) John Wycliffe John Wycliffe was the very first to translate the entire Bible into English, which he completed in 1382. Wycliffe translated from the Latin Vulgate. One copy of an original manuscript is in the Bodlein Library in Oxford, England. Wycliffe's Bibles were painstakingly reproduced by hand by copyists. In 1408 the third synod of Oxford, England, banned unauthorized English translations of the Bible and decreed that possession of English translation's had to be approved by diocesan authorities. The Oxford council declared: "It is dangerous, as St. Jerome declares, to translate the text of Holy Scriptures out of one idiom into another, since it is not easy in translations to preserve exactly the same meaning in all things. We therefore command and ordain that henceforth no one translate the text of Holy Scripture into English or any other language as a book, booklet, or tract, of this kind lately made in the time of the said John Wyclif or since, or that hereafter may be made, either in part or wholly, either publicly or privately, under pain of excommunication, until such translation shall have been approved and allowed by the Provincial Council. He who shall act otherwise let him be punished as an abettor of heresy and error."(Source: The Western Watchman "The Word of God", The English Bible Before the Reformation, page 7.) At the ecumenical Council of Constance, in 1415, Wycliffe was posthumously condemned by Arundel, the archbishop of Canterbury, as "that pestilent wretch of damnable heresy who invented a new translation of the scriptures in his mother tongue." By the decree of the Council, more that 40 years after his death, Wycliffe's bones were exhumed and publicly burned and the ashes were thrown into the Swift river. 5) William Tyndale William Tyndale completed a translation of the New Testament from the Greek in 1525, which the church authorities in England tried their best to confiscate and burn. After issuing a revised edition in 1535, he was arrested, spent over a year in jail, and was then strangled and burned at the stake near Brussels in October 6th, 1536. It is estimated today that some 90 percent of the New Testament in the 1611 King James Bible is the work of Tyndale. Tyndale was unable to complete his translation of the Old Testament before his death. |
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QUOTE(shioks @ Jun 1 2016, 02:29 PM) I guess when you say non-catholic is a book idolater you are literally saying you don't believe in the Book. This actually reaffirm the earlier discussions that Bible is not important to you except big T and small t. Wrong and I think you are trying to be disingenuous here. It means you only believe in YOUR OWN UNDERSTANDING of the Book rather than what the Apostles and Early Church Fathers teaches and believes.14Wherefore, dearly beloved, waiting for these things, be diligent that you may be found before him unspotted and blameless in peace. 15And account the longsuffering of our Lord, salvation; as also our most dear brother Paul, according to the wisdom given him, hath written to you: 16As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are certain things hard to be understood, which the unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, to their own destruction. 17You therefore, brethren, knowing these things before, take heed, lest being led aside by the error of the unwise, you fall from your own steadfastness. 18But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and unto the day of eternity. Amen. -- 2 Peter 3:14-18 It is proven that due to the false interpretations causes the mushrooming of different heresies and sects after the Protestant revolt which is why the Catholic Church discourages personal dogmatic interpretations of the Bible by each layman as education for the masses was yet to be widespread at that time. And mind you, the proliferation of schools for educating the masses was also due to Catholic institutions such as the Christian Brothers (La Salle), and various other Catholic religious orders. During the Early Middle Ages, the monasteries of the Roman Catholic Church were the centres of education and literacy, preserving the Church's selection from Latin learning and maintaining the art of writing. Prior to their formal establishment, many medieval universities were run for hundreds of years as Christian monastic schools (Scholae monasticae), in which monks taught classes, and later as cathedral schools; evidence of these immediate forerunners of the later university at many places dates back to the early 6th century. The first medieval institutions generally considered to be universities were established in Italy, France, and England in the late 11th and the 12th centuries for the study of arts, law, medicine, and theology. The severity against heresy by the Church shows how much she believes that heresy kills the soul of the believer and is more dangerous than what a bodily murderer can do to a person's body. "And fear ye not them that kill the body, and are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him that can destroy both soul and body in hell. " -- Matt 10:28 This post has been edited by yeeck: Jun 1 2016, 03:52 PM |
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The Truth Will Make You Free
By: Jim Blackburn People who disagree with the moral teaching of the Catholic Church sometimes attempt to equate the imposition of such teaching to slavery. For example, so-called same-sex âmarriageâ advocates often attempt to align their plight with that of slaves in 19th-century America. Even Christian groups such as Gay Church, the Gay Christian Network, Dignity USA, and the U.S. Rainbow Sash Movement (the latter two supposedly Catholic) resort to such tactics. These arguments reveal a fundamental misunderstanding about the nature of freedomâin this case, the freedom to marry whomever, regardless of sexual complementarity. Some go so far as to reinterpret biblical texts that condemn homosexual acts, but such reinterpretations easily fail. Sacred Scripture condemns homosexual acts as gravely sinful. (See âHomosexuality,â This Rock, April 2006.) We could simply dismiss such arguments on the basis that race and sexual nclination cannot be compared: The former concerns unchosen demographics while the latter involves chosen behavior. But interestingly, New Testament sacred writers sometimes used slavery as an analogy when discussing moral issues; of course, they came to quite different conclusions. It Starts with Original Sin A recent caller to Catholic Answers Live (February 22, 2011) asked the question âIf [to act out on] homosexuality itself is a sin, why would God make people that way [with same-sex attraction]?â The truth is, God did create every one of us, but our individual inclinations toward sin (concupiscence) are not his fault: They are the result of original sin. But Jesus showed us the way to overcome that inclination. Paul taught this to the Romans: [S]in came into the world through one man [Adam] and death through sin, and so death spread to all men . . . Then as one manâs trespass led to condemnation for all men, so one manâs [ Jesusâ] act of righteousness leads to acquittal and life for all men. For as by one manâs disobedience many were made sinners, so by one manâsobedience many will be made righteous. (Rom 5:12, 18-19) Attachment to sin brought about by original sin is cured through Jesus. Contradicting authentic Christian teaching by following our own sinful desires leads to failure and condemnation. Such behavior makes us slaves to our passions, which is an offense against true freedom. The Catechism of the Catholic Church explains: Manâs freedom is limited and fallible. In fact, man failed. He freely sinned. By refusing Godâs plan of love, he deceived himself and became a slave to sin. This first alienation engendered a multitude of others. From its outset, human history attests the wretchedness and oppression born of the human heart in consequence of the abuse of freedom. (CCC 1739) Slaves of God or of Sin Considering sin, Paul presents a slavery analogy in his epistle to the Romans: Do you not know that if you yield yourselves to any one as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin, which leads to death, or of obedience, which leads to righteousness? But thanks be to God, that you who were once slaves of sin have become obedient from the heart to the standard of teaching to which you were committed, and, having been set free from sin, have become slaves of righteousness. . . . When you were slaves of sin, you were free in regard to righteousness. But then what return did you get from the things of which you are now ashamed? The end of those things is death. But now that you have been set free from sin and have become slaves of God, the return you get is sanctification and its end, eternal life. (Rom 6:16-18, 20-22) In Paulâs analogy, everyone is considered a slave (or âservant,â Gk. doulos) either to sin or to righteousness, but sin leads to death (hell), while righteousness leads to sanctification and eternal life (heaven). In essence, the two propositions are quite opposite, sin being more analogous with slavery and righteousness with freedom. In his second Epistle, Peter concurs with Paul, as he warns of false prophets and teachers: â[U]ttering loud boasts of folly, they entice with licentious passions of the flesh . . . They promise them freedom, but they themselves are slaves of corruption; for whatever overcomes a man, to that he is enslavedâ (2 Pt 2:18-19). Paul often referred to himself as a slave of God (e.g., see Rom 1:1, Gal 1:10, Ti 1:1), which is a good thing, but he warned against slavery to sin: Bid the older women likewise to be reverent in behavior, not to be slanderers or slaves to drink . . . (Ti 2:3) Remind them to be submissive to rulers and authorities, to be obedient . . . For we ourselves were once foolish, disobedient, led astray, slaves to various passions and pleasures . . . (Ti 3:1, 3) Ultimately, Paul does recognize obedience to righteousness to be freedom and obedience to sin to be slavery: â[D]o not submit again to a yoke of slavery . . . For you were called to freedom, brethren; only do not use your freedom as an opportunity for the flesh [i.e. sin] . . .â (Gal 5:1, 13). Paul explains here that following Christ leads to true freedom. We do this with the help of the Holy Spirit: âNow the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedomâ (2 Cor 3:17). The Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faithâs Instruction on Christian Freedom and Liberation explains all this: St. Paul proclaims the gift of the New Law of the Spirit in opposition to the law of the flesh or of covetousness which draws man toward evil and makes him powerless to choose what is good. This lack of harmony and this inner weakness do not abolish manâs freedom and responsibility, but they do have a negative effect on their exercise for the sake of what is good. This is what causes the apostle to say: âI do not do the good I want, but the evil I do not want is what I doâ (Rom 7:19). Thus he rightly speaks of the âbondage of sinâ and the âslavery of the law,â for to sinful man the law, which he cannot make part of himself, seems oppressive. However, St. Paul recognizes that the Law still has value for man and for the Christian, because it âis holy and what it commands is sacred, just and goodâ (Rom 7:12) . . . The Spirit who dwells in our hearts is the source of true freedom. (54) Peter, again, concurs: âLive as free men, yet without using your freedom as a pretext for evil; but live as servants [or slaves] of Godâ (1 Pt 2:16). True Freedom So, according to Paul and Peter, true freedom does not mean a person does whatever he feels like or is tempted to do. Thatâs not really freedom at all; instead, often it is slavery to sin. The Catechism explains: The exercise of freedom does not imply a right to say or do everything. It is false to maintain that man, the subject of this freedom, is an individual who is fully self-sufficient and whose finality is the satisfaction of his own interests in the enjoyment of earthly goods . . . By deviating from the moral law, man violates his own freedom, becomes imprisoned within himself, disrupts neighborly fellowship, and rebels against divine truth. (CCC 1740) The solution to such a predicament and the way to true freedom is found in Jesusâ own words: Jesus then said to the Jews who had believed in him, âIf you continuein my word, you are truly my disciples, and you will know the truth, and the truth will make you free.â They answered him, âWe are descendants of Abraham, and have never been in bondage to anyone. How is it that you say, âYou will be made freeâ?â Jesus answered them, âTruly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is a slave to sin. The slave does not continue in the house for ever; the son continues for ever. So if the Son makes you free, you will be free indeed.â (Jn 8:31-36) Clearly, according to Scripture, embracing the truth (however difficult), making it active in our lives, and rejecting the temptation to sin are what true freedom is all about. On the other hand, embracing our sinful desires and living such lifestyles is true slavery. The Catechism explains: âThe more one does what is good, the freer one becomes. There is no true freedom except in the service of what is good and just. The choice to disobey and do evil is an abuse of freedom and leads to the slavery of sinâ (CCC 1733). Once again, Instruction on Christian Freedom and Liberation sums this up well: The freedom brought by Christ in the Holy Spirit has restored to us the capacity, which sin had taken away from us, to love God above all things and remain in communion with him. We are set free from disordered self-love, which is the source of contempt of neighbor and of human relationships based on domination. Nevertheless, until the Risen One returns in glory, the mystery of iniquity is still at work in the world. St. Paul warns us of this: âFor freedom Christ has set us freeâ (Gal 5:1). We must therefore persevere and fight in order not to fall once more under the yoke of slavery. Our existence is a spiritual struggle to live according to the gospel, and it is waged with the weapons of God. But we have received the power and the certainty of our victory over evil, the victory of the love of Christ whom nothing can resist. (53) So, considering all this, who is truly the slave, the person who embraces authentic Christian teaching or the person who rejects that truth in favor of his own desires? http://www.catholic.com/magazine/articles/...l-make-you-free |
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June 02, 2016 - Thursday in the Ninth Week of Ordinary Time
Lectionary: 356 Reading 1 (2 Tm 2:8-15) Beloved: Remember Jesus Christ, raised from the dead, a descendant of David: such is my Gospel, for which I am suffering, even to the point of chains, like a criminal. But the word of God is not chained. Therefore, I bear with everything for the sake of those who are chosen, so that they too may obtain the salvation that is in Christ Jesus, together with eternal glory. This saying is trustworthy: If we have died with him we shall also live with him; if we persevere we shall also reign with him. But if we deny him he will deny us. If we are unfaithful he remains faithful, for he cannot deny himself. Remind people of these things and charge them before God to stop disputing about words. This serves no useful purpose since it harms those who listen. Be eager to present yourself as acceptable to God, a workman who causes no disgrace, imparting the word of truth without deviation. Responsorial Psalm (Ps 25:4-5ab, 8-9, 10 and 14) R. (4) Teach me your ways, O Lord. Your ways, O LORD, make known to me; teach me your paths, Guide me in your truth and teach me, for you are God my savior. R. Teach me your ways, O Lord. Good and upright is the LORD; thus he shows sinners the way. He guides the humble to justice, he teaches the humble his way. R. Teach me your ways, O Lord. All the paths of the LORD are kindness and constancy toward those who keep his covenant and his decrees. The friendship of the LORD is with those who fear him, and his covenant, for their instruction. R. Teach me your ways, O Lord. Alleluia (2 Tm 1:10) R. Alleluia, alleluia. Our Savior Jesus Christ has destroyed death and brought life to light through the Gospel. R. Alleluia, alleluia. Gospel (Mk 12:28-34) One of the scribes came to Jesus and asked him, âWhich is the first of all the commandments?â QUOTE Jesus replied, âThe first is this: And when Jesus saw that he answered with understanding,Hear, O Israel! The Lord our God is Lord alone! You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your mind, and with all your strength. The second is this: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. There is no other commandment greater than these.â The scribe said to him, âWell said, teacher. You are right in saying, He is One and there is no other than he. And to love him with all your heart, with all your understanding, with all your strength, and to love your neighbor as yourself is worth more than all burnt offerings and sacrifices.â he said to him, âYou are not far from the Kingdom of God.â And no one dared to ask him any more questions. ![]() God Bless and keep you safe! |
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QUOTE(yeeck @ Jun 1 2016, 03:46 PM) Wrong and I think you are trying to be disingenuous here. It means you only believe in YOUR OWN UNDERSTANDING of the Book rather than what the Apostles and Early Church Fathers teaches and believes. It seems to me that it is your style of either evading the questions or ignoring comments. Let me quote my complete comments:14Wherefore, dearly beloved, waiting for these things, be diligent that you may be found before him unspotted and blameless in peace. 15And account the longsuffering of our Lord, salvation; as also our most dear brother Paul, according to the wisdom given him, hath written to you: 16As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are certain things hard to be understood, which the unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, to their own destruction. 17You therefore, brethren, knowing these things before, take heed, lest being led aside by the error of the unwise, you fall from your own steadfastness. 18But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and unto the day of eternity. Amen. -- 2 Peter 3:14-18 It is proven that due to the false interpretations causes the mushrooming of different heresies and sects after the Protestant revolt which is why the Catholic Church discourages personal dogmatic interpretations of the Bible by each layman as education for the masses was yet to be widespread at that time. And mind you, the proliferation of schools for educating the masses was also due to Catholic institutions such as the Christian Brothers (La Salle), and various other Catholic religious orders. During the Early Middle Ages, the monasteries of the Roman Catholic Church were the centres of education and literacy, preserving the Church's selection from Latin learning and maintaining the art of writing. Prior to their formal establishment, many medieval universities were run for hundreds of years as Christian monastic schools (Scholae monasticae), in which monks taught classes, and later as cathedral schools; evidence of these immediate forerunners of the later university at many places dates back to the early 6th century. The first medieval institutions generally considered to be universities were established in Italy, France, and England in the late 11th and the 12th centuries for the study of arts, law, medicine, and theology. The severity against heresy by the Church shows how much she believes that heresy kills the soul of the believer and is more dangerous than what a bodily murderer can do to a person's body. "And fear ye not them that kill the body, and are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him that can destroy both soul and body in hell. " -- Matt 10:28 I guess when you say non-catholic is a book idolater you are literally saying you don't believe in the Book. This actually reaffirm the earlier discussions that Bible is not important to you except big T and small t. This also reaffirm the believe that Catholic Church actually tried to stop laymen from possessing or reading the Bible on their own and this intensified through the Middle Ages and later, with the addition of a prohibition forbidding translation of the Bible into native languages. It is not about printing issue. You may have been denying this, or say there is no proof, or that it is just a story concocted by those who were against the Catholic Church, but lets take a look. ... God sent Holy Spirit to dwell in us. Our interpretation of Bible would be from Holy Spirit's guidance. Not from what you call papacy or fore fathers. Unless you are telling us that you don't receive the Spirit. Otherwise, what's the purpose of the Spirit living in you, if there is one! Keeping the Bible from the masses was RCC's goal, that is the whole point, if not for the invention of the printing presses and reformation, RCC may have succeeded.... Having many denominations means heretic, then within RCC there are many group, sects and different interpretations mean what? demonic?. You just keep on ignoring the facts. Living in denial is not what God want. The same way, the first protestants were judged for taking up, "Justification by grace through faith" is the same fate for all who turned away from RCC. Jan Huns was one of them and John Wycliffe whose judgement was through burning to ashes. Luther who later followed among others were excommunicated. Had Luthur not getting helps from someone, he would have been burn to ashes as well! Protestant may have thousands of denominations but the Gospel is, "We believe in God the Father, The Son and the Holy Spirit and the Lord's Great Commission, Mark 16:16-18, "Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned. 17And these signs will accompany those who believe: In my name they will drive out demons; they will speak in new tongues; 18they will pick up snakes with their hands; and when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all; they will place their hands on sick people, and they will get well.â The RCC was never Gods messenger - it was just an institution that was protecting power (authority). The RCC has always been a political entity which is at enmity with God. There is nothing more and nothing less to it. Is a person who read and believe in His words (Bible) an idolator or is a person who does not follow "Thou shalt have no other Gods", "No graven images or likeness"? You tell me! |
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QUOTE(shioks @ Jun 2 2016, 03:56 PM) It seems to me that it is your style of either evading the questions or ignoring comments. Let me quote my complete comments: So by your logic, one could probably deduce that there are different Holy Spirits involved since each Protestant sect have their own 'truths'. Show me what do you mean by within RCC having many sects. No one can be called Catholic if they do not hold on to the dogmas of the Church. I guess when you say non-catholic is a book idolater you are literally saying you don't believe in the Book. This actually reaffirm the earlier discussions that Bible is not important to you except big T and small t. This also reaffirm the believe that Catholic Church actually tried to stop laymen from possessing or reading the Bible on their own and this intensified through the Middle Ages and later, with the addition of a prohibition forbidding translation of the Bible into native languages. It is not about printing issue. You may have been denying this, or say there is no proof, or that it is just a story concocted by those who were against the Catholic Church, but lets take a look. ... God sent Holy Spirit to dwell in us. Our interpretation of Bible would be from Holy Spirit's guidance. Not from what you call papacy or fore fathers. Unless you are telling us that you don't receive the Spirit. Otherwise, what's the purpose of the Spirit living in you, if there is one! Keeping the Bible from the masses was RCC's goal, that is the whole point, if not for the invention of the printing presses and reformation, RCC may have succeeded.... Having many denominations means heretic, then within RCC there are many group, sects and different interpretations mean what? demonic?. You just keep on ignoring the facts. Living in denial is not what God want. The same way, the first protestants were judged for taking up, "Justification by grace through faith" is the same fate for all who turned away from RCC. Jan Huns was one of them and John Wycliffe whose judgement was through burning to ashes. Luther who later followed among others were excommunicated. Had Luthur not getting helps from someone, he would have been burn to ashes as well! Protestant may have thousands of denominations but the Gospel is, "We believe in God the Father, The Son and the Holy Spirit and the Lord's Great Commission, Mark 16:16-18, "Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned. 17And these signs will accompany those who believe: In my name they will drive out demons; they will speak in new tongues; 18they will pick up snakes with their hands; and when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all; they will place their hands on sick people, and they will get well.â The RCC was never Gods messenger - it was just an institution that was protecting power (authority). The RCC has always been a political entity which is at enmity with God. There is nothing more and nothing less to it. Is a person who read and believe in His words (Bible) an idolator or is a person who does not follow "Thou shalt have no other Gods", "No graven images or likeness"? You tell me! You say: Protestant may have thousands of denominations but the Gospel is, "We believe in God the Father, The Son and the Holy Spirit and the Lord's Great Commission, Mark 16:16-18, "Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned. 17And these signs will accompany those who believe: In my name they will drive out demons; they will speak in new tongues; 18they will pick up snakes with their hands; and when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all; they will place their hands on sick people, and they will get well.â Unfortunately I can easily find another Protestant who will disagree with you as they might hold to a longer creed, Apostles' Creed or Nicene Creed. Go and handle snakes and drink poison then? Ever heard of the sin of presumption? |
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