Using cascade normally works around -100/-105°C, evapo at : -90/-95°C to push his Conroe hits 5Ghz





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This post has been edited by yehlai: Oct 6 2006, 09:29 PM

well it look a big too spacious.....i wonder how many you can oc with this cooler

omg... how much does that cost?

Conroe E6600 (vModed mobo) hit 5Ghz.. thts over 100% OC

I have a question,

if we really freeze our system cold then the processor dont heat up means we can OC until no limit? is it?

Sorry.. noob in overclocking here..

well i dont think your pc would be able to run.....wont it be nice if the cooler include the entire pc then we can overclock all the hardware instead of the processor

Then he claimed its something like "cascade normally works around -100/-105°C, evapo at : -90/-95°C"... -90 degree celcius is not frozen meh? i mean... water freezing point la..

if we think logically, E6600 conroe clocks crazee at 5Ghz.. u guess how much the temperature would be??
(LYN forumer 7600GE grafic from 500/1400 clock to 805/1840 without fan, temperature can reach 110C.)

so maybe -95C is just sufficient to cooling the Conroe to 10-20C. (i guess)

This post has been edited by yehlai: Oct 6 2006, 08:00 PM

can he hit 5ghz..any picture show he hitting 5ghz

sry.. now i posted the link.

where to get this kind of stuffs?

That's ugly...

There's one company that build this kinda thing...

I don't remember the name...

But their products are much better than this...

If size is just in normal size of an 1/3 height of a lian li case...

Once i've got the company name, i'll post it here...

these guys are custome made lor..cost? no idea but u can imagine

the company is vapochill..

this sure ugly laa..but all they care is the performance..vapochill is all setup ready

There is another company called ECT(ExtremeCoolingTechnology.com) that built the famous Prometeia Mach 2s.

This Italian is using a cascade, which means more than one compressor cooling another compressor. What those ECT and Vapochills make are single stages. Even these commercial versions can get an X6800 purring at 4.7GHz. You can only buy commercially made single stages from these companies - costs USD700 to USD900. If you want cascades, you are looking at shelling out USD1800 - USD2000 for one and custom made by the guys like Chilly1, Jinu, PC-ICE @ Xtremesystems forum.

With that sum of money, I would rather travel to Antarctica and OC my rig to the max and there post the benchies here. I still got the chance to see penguins too

Yes, they are VAPOCHILL...

Here, take a look, isn't it more beautiful than what that italian does?

With that small package, you can still manage to get a -45 degrees celcius...

Here's how it looks:

External:


Internal:


Below an Ah-Lian case:


See, it looks more professional...
Even if it's smaller than what that italian does, it still manage to get to -45Degrees Celcius...

Anyway, why do u need to go to -90 celcius?

I think, even if u manage to get a cooling into -1 degrees celcius, isn't that enough to cool down a 5GHz Core2Duo?

I have 2 Mach 2 GTs ehehhe. And by the way -1C is not enough. You need about -10C loaded then only can........

Our guru here made them before, bulkhy and amok. It was single stage though.

I bought from bulkhy last time, around RM1.5K + chilly's condensor.

hey sifoos, show ur stuffs(pics) here laa

@kcnyc, no conroe action under mach 2? should give the p4 a rest

what's the 2 long thing? looks like table lamp

I want to squeeze out everything with AIR cooling first. So that we level the playing field here, if I bench here I shouldn't use the Mach 2 straight away - quite unfair actually. So I try on air first, then once reach limit in 2 week, put under the Mach 2 GT.

lazo: Thats the evaporator head that connects to your PC and cool it to about -30C! So dun laugh at that table lamp....lol.

It's the thing that is used to cool down the processor la...
That's the evaporator that should be on top of the processor...

gonna need to mod the casing to fit it.

Well not really mod alot, you just need a small hole at the bottom of the case. Simple hole cut only.....hhehhehe

That is still called as "mod" eventhough it just need some small cut...

This cooling device is superb. and costing you a bomb to get it.I think this is not worthy to get such an expensive cooling device on our system.An extreme water cooling is already good enough for that.

this device performs damm well compare to wc kit...

This post has been edited by sup3rfly: Oct 10 2006, 08:12 AM

No, that's not 100% correct...

Think, if you want to go for 5GHz, can you go with just an extreme watercooling system?

No, i don't think so...

This thing is considered good and the price is okay with the performance...

Even if u're thinking of getting an extreme watercooling components, there's no way you can achieve 0 degrees celcius cooling...

And to add up, extreme watercooling components is quite expensive, just think about an extreme waterblock, the cheapest i could find is RM300 what about the other thing? Radiator? Pump? Reservoir?

Even for metalzone's beginners watercooling setup is already RM450...

What about an extreme watercooling components?

There's no doubt it can reach RM1000...

And that's for watercooling, the cooling that can't even go until 0 degrees celcius...

Add another RM500 that means: RM1500 for an extreme fridge cooling like the vapochill cooling system...

This is the easiest way to show it:

Exteme Watercooling: RM1000 - how low can it go? i don't think it can even go lower than 20 degrees celcius

Freezer Cooling [Vapochill for example]: RM1500 - minimum is -40 degrees celcius... [It's below freezing temperature, much cooler than the the fridge in you're kitchen.... ]

So, which one would u prefer?

Think!!!

This post has been edited by sHawTY: Oct 10 2006, 08:57 AM

An extreme watercooling kit can never reach -60C on the evap or -20C on load, can it? lol If can't then it is not comparable.

This post has been edited by kcnyc: Oct 10 2006, 09:20 AM

Yerp, this is what i'm stressing about...

I don't think an extreme watercooling setup can even reach a lower temperature than 15 degrees celcius....

Hey wait, is there any watercooling setup that can reach 15 degrees celcius?

I don't think so...

Wah yaya...I also agree after i think twice. But if the proc area too cold will it affect the stabality or harm it?I don't think the proc are designed to run under such cold temperature right?

Look at my signature.......that processor is an Intel 660 clocked at 5GHz.

This thread makes me want to snap on my Mach 2 GT to my X6800. lol


This post has been edited by kcnyc: Oct 11 2006, 03:04 PM

Extreme cooling can make so extreme result in overclcoking.When is your X6800 going to build up?

Going to make a run soon... But I am expecting about 4.6GHz - 4.7GHz out of my X6800 with the Prometeia.

Since u're using the Prometeia, don't you think you wanna sell that Vapochill cooling system?

Hey Kc, comparing both Prometeia and the Vapochill, which one is better in Phase Change cooling?

Both is good, but Prometeia has a better insulation system where the whole CPU back and front is sealed in a hermetic chamber so moisture can't get in. No moisture, no condensation, no water in the socket. But it is a little harder to setup compared to the Vapochill. With the Vapochill you need to insulate the socket with dielectric grease. It is a messy affair, your CPU is covered in this slimy goop. And one thing about the motherboard manufacturers nowadays, when they see traces of dielectric grease in your board's socket - your warranty is VOID!

In terms of cooling, the Vapochill seems to be able to cool more than 200Ws of heat - about 210W. But the temps are not as cold - therefore we say it can hold a load of 210W. The Prometeia on the other hand can only hold 200Ws of heat, but it does it at a colder temp - a few celcius lower. So pick your poison.....

I prefer the Prometeia because it is a tad safer to run 24/7 with their hermetic chamber CPU kit. You don't have be worrying about water in the socket. But they use this thing called SEAL STRING to seal the socket - which cannot be reusable. You replace once you change your CPU. But they are cheap......

And also, 200W is alot of heat and not many CPU can even put out that much heat when overclocked. So I will pick the Prommy over the Vapo just because 200W is not even reachable - I would rather get a few celcius colder.

I have 2 Prommys. I don't mind selling one of them. PM or add me to MSN Messenger, we can talk.

U can possibly get that kind of temp with Extreme watercooling under a/c.

You must be kidding me. I don't think it will even reach the 0C let alone negative temps. And how would frozen water in your tubes sound? LOL

What i mean was under idle, not under load. With a/c on we can possibly get lower temps where the rad and the pump should be colder and the water temp should be lower as well. Maybe we can get a decrease in temp around 5c to 10c ?

I get what you mean, with turning up the AC, but how can it be comparable to phase change? And wait, what kind of AC are you using? lol Most AC units will get air temps to 15C max, and you have to transfer that cool temps to the water inside the loop. I don't think you can get a 100% transfer like that dude. And moreover, your CPU and videocard will heat the water up. 15C is quite hard to get, especially in Malaysia temps.

Nope, not comparing with phase change. Im comparing a normal a/c units full blast in 1 small room with those systems. Temps can be dropped significantly with the same setups. Not 15c but lower than without a/c. But there's a problem that would arise because hot + cold = condensation.

But still, to get an extreme watercooling set that can cool to 15 degrees celcius, how much money do u need to spend to build up that watercooling sytem?

Isn't it the same with getting a phase change cooling system?
Or, it might as well go higher than getting a complete phase change cooling system...

It might be...

The conclusion is, better get a phase change cooling system than spending you're money on extreme watercooling system liao...

**Kcnyc