QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Feb 27 2015, 03:32 PM)
Haha I thought you sold ur REIT today? Traders Kopitiam! V7
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Feb 27 2015, 03:39 PM
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Feb 27 2015, 04:15 PM
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Mar 3 2015, 11:51 AM
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Mar 3 2015, 11:52 AM
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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Mar 2 2015, 10:34 PM) If you are in the game long enough, you would know Insider Asia writeups tends to be lacking.... Putting money based on their writeups (or others) is extremely risky..... Same with writeups on AirAsia, no? All say cheap oil will be good.....but incredibly they chose to ignore many important factors. |
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Mar 3 2015, 11:56 AM
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QUOTE(holybo @ Mar 3 2015, 11:54 AM) unker @gark, can provide some insight about insas-pa? never deal with preference shares before. 4 cents dividend is a must to pay or company has the rights not to pay? Must pay every year until expiry of preference shares or shares redeemed at fixed price of RM1.Even company losing money etc.. also must pay one, like bond. » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « This post has been edited by gark: Mar 3 2015, 11:57 AM |
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Mar 3 2015, 12:50 PM
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QUOTE(holybo @ Mar 3 2015, 12:44 PM) but... i read about htis http://www.intellecpoint.com/2015/03/insas-pa.html"In general, preferred stock has preference in dividend payments. The preference does not assure the payment of dividends, but the company must pay the stated dividends on preferred stock before paying any dividends on common stock" hence, not a must Calculated Insas-PA at 8.65% interest rate.. |
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Mar 3 2015, 01:07 PM
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QUOTE(holybo @ Mar 3 2015, 12:44 PM) but... i read about htis If you see the history of Insas-LA (Loan stock), Insas has been paying interest consistently from 2002 until 2007."In general, preferred stock has preference in dividend payments. The preference does not assure the payment of dividends, but the company must pay the stated dividends on preferred stock before paying any dividends on common stock" hence, not a must Lets see the what is the profile of Insas-PA in the prospectus... on the payment. Interest rate : 4% paid every 6 months (5 years) Redeemable at RM 1 by Insas ANYTIME before maturity Cannot convert to Insas Shares Can combine Insas-PA with Insas-Wa in exchange for 1 Insas ordinary share No voting rights On the consistency of dividends. 1. Priority dividend compared to other shareholders 2. In case of insolvency, the RM 1 is in preference to be paid, ordinary shareholders get nothing |
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Mar 3 2015, 01:09 PM
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QUOTE(holybo @ Mar 3 2015, 01:04 PM) Remember interest payment = No Tax but no e-dividend also, they send check to your house.. A lot of people dont know this but you can combine 1 LA + 1 WA = 1 new share.. Might have some arbitage oppurtunity here.. |
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Mar 3 2015, 01:21 PM
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QUOTE(holybo @ Mar 3 2015, 01:17 PM) thanks garkĀ No no...i still confuse about this The preference shares is offered at RM1.00 with 2 warrants attached for every preference shares purchased. For each insas-PA, we will get 2x free warrants? If you subscribe the Insas-PR @ RM 1 you get 1xInsas-PA + 2xInsas-WA If you buy Insas-PA now from the open market.. you only get the PA and not the WA... WA have to buy separately.. This post has been edited by gark: Mar 3 2015, 01:22 PM |
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Mar 3 2015, 02:09 PM
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QUOTE(holybo @ Mar 3 2015, 01:41 PM) Not as safe as FD tho... Dividend is not guaranteed as you say.. but RM 1 redemption value is guaranteed. I m0ore interested in the WA.. PA have to wait 5 years.. too long for me. This post has been edited by gark: Mar 3 2015, 02:12 PM |
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Mar 4 2015, 01:16 PM
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QUOTE(yijinchua @ Mar 3 2015, 08:25 PM) Hey bro, I'm kinda confused about one thing. 1. 2% every 6 months = 4% per year"Interest rate : 4% paid every 6 months" Does this mean I get 4% every 6 months which means 8% for a year? Or does it mean I get 2% every 6 months which means 4% for a year? And also if the company is unable to pay the dividend for this year, will be it brought forward to the next year? (Dividend will be last year + this year) 2. If cannot pay dividend, will not be accrued (unless company redeem PA). This will not happen unless company in big financial trouble.. This post has been edited by gark: Mar 4 2015, 01:21 PM |
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Mar 4 2015, 01:18 PM
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Mar 4 2015, 12:47 PM) Sometimes I still doubt my decision to get into PJDEV-WC Calculate warrant value have to use black-scholes formula (can find online calculator Yes, OSK big bos offer is 60 sen per warrant And if u see intrinsic value, mother share NTA RM2.50+ So, let's say we apply 20% discount, still should trade around RM2...warrant should be worth RM1 Average sum of 60 sen and RM1...80 sen...40% upside But...I still...dunno lar This post has been edited by gark: Mar 4 2015, 01:22 PM |
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Mar 4 2015, 01:24 PM
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Mar 4 2015, 01:21 PM) Ok ok, nanti balik rumah cuba Can lawan majority shareholder kah? I slept in class when my lecturer taught that whatever Black Shoe formula...I failed my corporate finance paper Eh, no need...someone did already: http://klse.i3investor.com/servlets/forum/...0409.jsp?ftp=66 Big fish eat small fish ooooo... Big rock.. crush small crab... well you get the idea... This post has been edited by gark: Mar 4 2015, 01:26 PM |
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Mar 4 2015, 02:59 PM
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Mar 4 2015, 04:51 PM
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QUOTE(hehe86 @ Mar 4 2015, 04:14 PM) Hey gark or anyone who knows the answer, the bolded part, it is redeemable anytime at RM1. I received a question from a fren. So now let say buy at 0.855, straight away can redeem at RM1, meaning earn 1-0.855 = 0.145? There are two ways you can convert the WA...I think is not that good easy right? Or you buy at 0.855 return 0.855 only? 1. Buy 1 WA and subcribe and pay RM 1 to get 1 new share 2. Buy 1 WA and 1 PA and surrender the PA to get 1 new share You cannot redeem the PA for RM 1, only THE COMPANY have the option to redeem it ANYTIME or after expiry. This post has been edited by gark: Mar 4 2015, 04:51 PM |
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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Mar 4 2015, 04:38 PM) Trading should never be a game of dare lah!!! Travel in MAS plane recently.. food sucks.. I have nasi lemak.. cannot eat one. Meat dry like leather.. rice 2 tablespoon The discount they agree for the amount due from MAS is laughable....as they are clearly admitting they have been overcharging like hell !!! Buy RM 1 nasi lemak from mamak taste much better. Or... eat AirAsia nasi lemak also taste 100x better than MAs... Really jatuh standard. This post has been edited by gark: Mar 4 2015, 04:55 PM |
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Mar 4 2015, 04:56 PM
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QUOTE(hehe86 @ Mar 4 2015, 04:54 PM) Kenot. otherwise wont be selling at RM 0.8x... Wait 5 years then can redeem.. or. Combine with WA and can redeem the RM 1 PA into new share This post has been edited by gark: Mar 4 2015, 04:56 PM |
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Mar 4 2015, 05:01 PM
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Mar 4 2015, 05:03 PM
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QUOTE(hehe86 @ Mar 4 2015, 05:02 PM) That's why i fast leg fast hand sold all my PR .. after reading the proposal http://announcements.bursamalaysia.com/EDM...0Prospectus.pdf Page 43 This post has been edited by gark: Mar 4 2015, 05:12 PM |
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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Mar 4 2015, 06:19 PM) Fly plane just to eat food on plane meh? Ya...overcharging for food that sucks! Over every 100 charged previously.. They now willing to accept 40... 40 bucks item ..they manage to water fish MAS for 100 !! Championship sales!!! To make it worse... I wonder if that item was worth only 15? Comparison Airasia charge RM 15/pack also can make money already... |
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