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post Feb 5 2015, 02:26 PM, updated 7y ago

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How to get the approval of building plans and work permits

1. Owner must finalize the design of renovation before hire someone to do a submission
2. If contractor volunteer to do the submission, ask them which architect/building draughtman they use and LAM Registered No.
3. If necessary, owner must hire an engineer to do some calculation, report and structure drawing. (depends on Local Authorities)
4. Owner must prepare some documents for submission such as cukai taksiran, S&P, existing CF etc.
5. Consultation fees :-

RM2500-RM3000 includes architecture endorsement, site survey, building plan drawing, documentation and traveling.

Owner must prepare some cash around RM1000-RM2000 for deposit, processing fees, tong RORO (construction waste bin) depends on scale of renovation. Deposit will be returned when construction is completed. But for DBKL, no deposit required. Just pay RM100 for renovation less than 1000sqft (CODE B2)

6. Approval/Work Permit usually takes about 7-30days depends on ‘Piagam Pelanggan’ from Local Authorities.

Additional Info:-

Basic building setback for terrace :-
a) front - 20' clear from wall to boundary (main gate)
b) back - can extend to end of boundary
c) side (corner lot) - 10' clear from wall to boundary
d) side (end lot) - 5' clear from wall to boundary

The different thing between architect and building draughtsman (BD) is , BD are limited to specifying area only and the fees therefore a bit cheaper than architect.

Do not pay to enforcement if they ask for ‘kawtim’. Report to Local Authorities if happen.

Do not start work before get an approval/work permit. If not, you will be fined as much as 10x depends on your processing fees.

Do not trust contractor if they can ‘kawtim’ with Local Authorities. Some of them didn’t do a submission and if caught, owner will be responsible.

Architect is the person who will be responsible for the probability of future. They knows about UBBL and buildings.

Just pay a little bit for pleasure in the future...

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TShaikalraihan
post Feb 6 2015, 08:32 AM

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QUOTE(isma45 @ Feb 5 2015, 02:29 PM)
thank u for the info, is this rules applies to condo renovation too?
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For condo u need to get an approval from JMB first


QUOTE(shinchan99 @ Feb 5 2015, 03:02 PM)
Thumbs up for bro haikalraihan service  thumbup.gif .

I use his service for my front extension renovation smile.gif
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No problem bro


QUOTE(borneosailor @ Feb 5 2015, 03:07 PM)
Does these rules apply for semi-detached houses?
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Yes.if your semi-D extention less than 1000sqft.

semi-D setback (wall) :-
front - 20'
side - 10'
back - can extend max to boundary (if ur house 10' clear backlane)

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post Feb 9 2015, 09:22 AM

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QUOTE(loui @ Feb 6 2015, 10:15 AM)
it is necessary to apply if doing internal renovation like wiring, painting and plaster ceiling?
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no need to submit plan for interior works. just apply tong roro at Majlis.
Small (4 tonne) = RM200
Big (7 tonne) = Rm350


QUOTE(seong22368 @ Feb 6 2015, 04:36 PM)
how about a double storey house? can extend ground floor and 1st floor? thank you.
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yes u can. (refer my info above for building setback)
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post Feb 12 2015, 10:46 AM

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[quote=Mohdnorazman,Feb 9 2015, 10:52 AM]
Go to mpsp at perda. Can ask them details. Very easy no need to hire runner
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[quote=seong22368,Feb 9 2015, 04:33 PM]
yes u can. (refer my info above for building setback)
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the setback is applied to both 1st and ground floor for front and back?
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Yes.building setback applied for both ground & 1st floor.but roof eaves depend on which Majlis your submission.some Majlis 3' clear and some 5' clear
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post Apr 13 2015, 11:13 AM

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Sorry to not answer all your PM.quite busy lately.
There are some popular questions into my inbox.

Q : What is building setback?
A : Building setback is maximum extension allowed by the Local Authorities

Q : How long the approval will be obtained?
A : 1-2 weeks depends on Local Authorities

Q : Can house owner use their own Tong Roro?
A : Yes & No. For DBKL & MBSA area, house owner needs to use their registered contractor but MBPJ, house owner can use their own Tong

Q : How much is the penalty to be imposed if renovation started without permit / approval?
A : 10-20x from processing fees. Example; Processing fees : RM500, Penalty : RM500x20 = RM10k

Q : What are the difference between Standard Book & Architectural Plan?
A : Standard Book only for basic extension without flat roof.

Q : Internal renovation also needs approval plan?
A : Yes if there are new internal structure (brick wall / beam)

Q : Awning installation does require a permit?
A : No

Q : What is CCC?
A : CCC is Certificate of Completion and Compliance

Q : Can house owner add more floor for intermediate terrace link house?
A: Yes can

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post May 6 2015, 10:45 AM

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QUOTE(Bigboyz @ Apr 29 2015, 10:24 AM)
Hi, got a question. I bought a sub sale house which was extended but no permit. If I submit my plans now will I still kena the penalty?
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Yes.sure kena penalty.10-20x from processing fees.depend on local authorities.

QUOTE(Antzfield @ Apr 29 2015, 12:16 PM)
Thank you so much for sharing and clarification.

In the midst of preparing for renovation including extension, these info surely very useful  rclxms.gif
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No problem.

QUOTE(ahpoo @ Apr 29 2015, 03:39 PM)
if change window type and do internal wiring need approval from MPAJ?
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No need but window size must be same or larger for ventilation & lighting.

QUOTE(aiskrimcup @ Apr 30 2015, 09:49 AM)
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Who are u?hehe.. biggrin.gif


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post May 18 2015, 01:53 PM

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QUOTE(supersound @ May 6 2015, 04:48 PM)
Do you know that local council has the rights on asking you to redo back to original on top of getting summon?
Trust me, better follow the rules, this is for you to claim insurance when something happens.
If your house caught fire, the wiring is the factor. If insurance company found out that you did renovation without approval, they can use this to reject your claim.
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post Jun 9 2015, 02:00 PM

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QUOTE(doomdoom @ Jun 1 2015, 11:49 AM)
if do awning on the car porch area, about 2 ft length, need submit to get approval or not? for MPKJ....
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Not necessary.only submit if ur carporch rc flat roof
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post Jul 12 2015, 10:55 PM

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QUOTE(BBPeformance @ Jun 9 2015, 06:43 PM)
Bro,

Regarding the approval do we necessarily apply for CF ?
what is the impact if we get CF or not ?

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Hi..what kind of extension are u doing?area? depends on Majlis. Some Majlis require CCC from architect and some only require for extension above 1000sqft. Basically, CCC/CF can increase your house value.

QUOTE(Yee Leng @ Jun 16 2015, 03:41 PM)
Hi, I am looking for someone to draw the architectural drawing and engineering plan for the house renovation in Klang for submission to Klang Town Council. Any good recommendation?
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post Jul 14 2015, 10:36 PM

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QUOTE(AlfredCKH @ Jul 13 2015, 02:32 PM)
Hi Bro,

Could you provide me some contacts for drawing and renovation plan in Kota Damansara Area? any recommendation?
Thanks!
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QUOTE(commtrader @ Jul 14 2015, 08:38 AM)
Hi Alfred,

Let me know if you got some contacts for kota damansara terrace house drawing as well.

I am looking for one too, thanks !
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QUOTE(ginko15 @ Jul 14 2015, 01:46 PM)
Lets say if I want to extend my Master Bedroom till the balcony only , which in this case involve hacking of the interior wall only, do I need approval from the local council  ?
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Yes, consider as extension and u need to hire architect & engineer.
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post Jul 27 2015, 01:18 PM

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QUOTE(drfauzims @ Jul 21 2015, 12:15 PM)
I have renovation and the setback not following the law. Should I knock back the front wall and side walls to meet the set back and make current room smaller or I just replace with tempered glass? I need architect to submit plan to make it legal.
Cheras DBKL
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Yes, u need to demolish front wall to 20' (6.096m) for setback. Or u can make rayuan to DBKL for as-built drawing and pay penalty 20x from processing fees.

QUOTE(kutitata @ Jul 22 2015, 06:48 AM)
I have the same question, what if the semi-d has no backlane but there is a 10' ground at the back before the wall, can we extend max to boundary?
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For semi-D with no backlane u can extend only 5' and another 5' reserve for building setback.

QUOTE(Archronicles @ Jul 22 2015, 05:28 PM)
Any known limitation on width of gate for 20' house? MPK informed me that the 'kebuk sampah' a.k.a. rubbish box has to be within the pillar somewhere but according to the standard plan book, the width of the gate can't be more than 10' sad.gif
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Yes, kebuk sampah has to be within the main gate pillar. if u demolish that box to make ur gate wide, u need to submit rayuan to Perbadanan Pengurusan Sisa Pepejal Dan Pembersihan Awam (PPSPPA).

QUOTE(pain_pain @ Jul 26 2015, 05:22 PM)
want to extend my kitchen at bukit jalil area. please pm me contact for the architect ya. thanks!
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post Jul 31 2015, 11:06 AM

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QUOTE(Archronicles @ Jul 27 2015, 02:24 PM)
Bro, any idea of any known limitations of making the gate wider? And can the Syabas water meter be relocated?
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Yes u can. but u need to submit your rayuan and location plan for new meter to Syabas.

QUOTE(xiaoniao1112 @ Jul 28 2015, 10:50 PM)
Hi Bro

I need your professional advice. My house just completed the renovation.
I went to MBSJ to apply for CF and also claimed the deposit RM1000 which I paid for renovation plan submitted for approval earlier.
However, the MBSJ OIC informed me to let my architect handle it and do not want to liaise with me.

My architect told me he will charge another RM350 for applying CF for me and he cannot guarantee that I will get the CF orthe deposit will return because based on his experience, MBSJ officer will give all kind of excuses to stop us from getting back our deposit, e.g. the wall is different by 1 or 2 inch from the plan.
But he guarantee me that I will not have any issue when selling house in the future.

MY question is
1. What are the potential issues  for house without CF after renovation (e.g.:Back extention 10sqft).
2. Is that true that it is difficult to get the CG and deposit even though I have follow the proper way to submit renovation plan before renovation?
As my architect  has been trying to convince me to forgone the RM1000 deposit so that I can save the additional RM350 and the hassle to prepare the documents?

Really appreciate if you can resolve my inquiry. Many thanks in advance
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My first question - what kind of extension r u doing?base on my experience liaise with MBPJ, deposit for house renovation only Rm100 not RM1000.

Since 2007, CCC are implemented to replace CF.

Normally architect will prepare documents for CCC including Borang B, Borang G1-G21 (Contractor need to sign this form). Your architect knows about this.

CCC are important when something happen to your house. Insurance agent will come to your house and inspect whether your new extension build as per drawing or not.


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QUOTE(seanlel @ Aug 13 2015, 01:23 PM)
I am applying permit from MPSJ for renovation. The renovation involves extend backyard, extent the side near the front door.

Here are the charges:
1) RM2800 for draft man
2) RM300 for retrieving the CF by official
3) RM1800 for submission to MPSJ

I have been told that there is no refund from the payment above.

Is that normal?
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What type of your house? for double storey terrace u need to pay deposit RM1000 and refundable if your renovation same as approval plan.

QUOTE(agasthia @ Aug 16 2015, 02:33 AM)
Any recommendation or where can we get the list of companies who does drawing, drawing in 3d, Architectural ,,draftsman and engineering company for DBKL
thank you in advance..
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QUOTE(kittyhawk101 @ Aug 16 2015, 12:41 PM)
Hi
I intend to renovate my Semi-D which is under MBPJ jurisdiction. Thinking of doing side extension about 15sqm (post extension still got 10' to neighboring unit) and knocking one or two internal walls to free up space.
Do I need to apply for permit? Anyone to recommend for drawing and
submission to MBPJ.
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Yes u need to apply permit from MBPJ.

QUOTE(efy6kvl @ Aug 18 2015, 10:25 AM)
Hi,
Planning to do some renovation for my subsale house in USJ area.
Any recommendation for engineer contact?
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QUOTE(sonerin @ Aug 20 2015, 09:33 AM)
I have a double story terrace house. I want to extend to 2.5 stories. Is this something can be done ?
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Yes u can extend maximum 3 storey. Where is your location?
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QUOTE(SuziQ @ Sep 3 2015, 01:51 AM)
Sir Haikal, I'm re-doing my roof and raising it a bit in the back and changing the front porch slab a little. I'm not extending any square footage at all but, internally, I am switching a kitchen and a bedroom so there will be extensive plumbing works. All internal, though. My house is a single storey intermediate lot in PJ. My contractor says I don't need to get an MBPJ permit. But I'm kinda doubtful! Do you all think I'd need a permit?
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Hi..sorry for late reply.

No need to apply permit for internal works. but if there are changes on structure and wall u need to submit a plan.

QUOTE(RockStar05 @ Sep 23 2015, 12:08 PM)
Hi Sir,

Would like to check about the renovation.

My house is a double-storey hse. and my dad did some renovation-extension at the front and the back of the house 10years ago. now he is no more. Now the house is under my name.

however now i planned to renovate my 1st floor rooms to extent as well.
if i contact the mbsa official. will they summon me for the prev extension? im pretty sure my dad dont know all this procedure.

advice?
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Yes u need to pay the summon 5x from processing fees. let say your processing fees RM200 x 5 = RM1000.
The extension also must not exceed the setback line. if not, the are another summon.

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QUOTE(piggyzai @ Oct 29 2015, 02:53 PM)
Hi there,

I am buying a sub-sale house at the moment. Submitting loan next week. The house currently have an extension at the kitchen area until the longkang, do I need to ask the CF or approval from the current owner before I proceed to my next step?

If yes then what kind of documents should I be getting from the owner.

After reading ALL of the questions and answers here I am getting more concern and realize the importance of this CCC already where my partner would like a less-headache way.

I would like to know a rough cost of how much I will need to pay to get the approval done and the steps. Just to get a clearer picture. btw the house is 20x60 double storey house.  smile.gif

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Yes.u need to request CCC/CF from previous owner.If not, the existing extension is under your responsibility.where is your location?


QUOTE(violetcharms @ Oct 30 2015, 06:09 PM)
For my house,  I'd like to extend my kitchen to the yard.  Will I need special architect plan for this?
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Yes. Where is your location? some majlis got pelan setara and easy to submit.


QUOTE(bear3c @ Nov 5 2015, 12:16 AM)
Hi. I have a double storey house in shah alam and planning to submit the plan for approval.

Would like to know one of the required document are front view photo and back view photo of your house. Will mbsa staff come and check the photos submitted are the same with the real one? Just curious why mbsa request the photos.

Thanks in advance.
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Yes they will come. They want to ensure that no works starting at site. If not, fine 5x from processing fees.




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QUOTE(neil73 @ Nov 6 2015, 12:07 AM)
Hi there, i am starting to renovate my semi-d in Balik Pulau ,Penang. I plan to add a side patio all the way to the back of the house. Front will have slight extension of about 2' to make the living room square. Wall to be built all around house 6' height. Was quoted 6k by contractor's contact for drawings and submitting documents to Mppp. Is this price reasonable? Appreciate all help. Thank you in advance.
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Ok if engineer and processing fees include all in.


QUOTE(jackor @ Nov 6 2015, 02:41 PM)
After permit is approve house front extension. can i add-on if want to do house back extension as well? Or i need to resubmit for front and back?
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Just submit for back only. "Cadangan pindaan pada pelan lulus......"


QUOTE(phoenixxx @ Nov 9 2015, 05:38 PM)
dear bro haikal, i'm planning to do reno for my house too. involves extension front & back. double storey link house. what is the best / cheapest route to go for all the approvals & do you have any architect / etc to recommend? thanks
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Where is your location?
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post Dec 22 2015, 09:11 AM

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QUOTE(fox82 @ Dec 3 2015, 02:01 AM)
I would like to apply house extension permit under MPAJ.

Anyone can help ???
Please pm me. Thanks a lot.
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QUOTE(farscope @ Dec 3 2015, 10:34 PM)
I was quoted 6.5k by my contractor for a very simple extension of backyard. I personally felt it is on the high side and would like to seek some opinion.

Location: Kepong
Local council: DBKL
Property: Single storey terrace

Wet work involve extension of a small backyard (11'x6'), change of roof truss (use back same roof design) and hacking of one interior wall. The rest are untouched.

Contractor also told me deposit is not refundable. Other contractor quote the price around 5k for submission.

Would like to know the actual cost before I confront him.
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Normally RM3.5k-4k for submission drawing. RM1060 for tong roro (refundable) and RM100-300 for DBKL processing fees. RM6.5k bit expensive for single storey house.



QUOTE(allanzairen @ Dec 13 2015, 11:11 PM)
hi, haikalraihan

I am planning to renovate my new intermediate terrace house in PJ, could you advise me the following items and your chargeable fee for the local authority plan submission?

1) extend back yard include bigger kitchen
2) demolish some walls
3) relocate one toilet at ground floor
4) extend the car porch pavement

please pm me.

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QUOTE(kcsy1221 @ Aug 10 2016, 04:36 PM)
Hi, I have a double storey house (20x60) and want to do a minor renovation.

Internal work doesn't touch the structure. Maybe hacking off small part of the wall due to the window removal at the kitchen else it will fall off cause its attached to the upper beam.

External work at the backyard, remove existing fence. Cover 3/4 of the area with brick wall and rooftop. Another 1/4 area covered with polycarbonate rooftop and anti-climb fence.

Below are the required doc by the MPSJ panel architect.
1) SPA full set with layout plan
2) Previous owner SPA
3) CF
4) Latest Cukai Taksiran Receipt
5) Photocopy of I/C

I do not have the layout plan with me. Previous owner (Second home buyer) doesn't have it in his SPA too. The architect said if don't have then need to pay him another Rm300-500 (I forgot the price) for him to measure the house and draw out the layout plan of the house.

My questions are:
a) Is the original layout plan required for submission too to MPSJ?
b) Do I need to submit plan for the internal as stated above?

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a) Yes to ensure that house are same as drawing.
b) Yes if there is demolishing works


QUOTE(SimpleGuy16 @ Aug 14 2016, 10:34 PM)
Hi , i'm planning to do renovation for my semi-D (42x80 , build up 32x45) in Klang and the renovation consists of ~

Back extension with flat roof of 7x32
Side extension of awning with level up floor

What kind of approval i need to apply from my local authority (MPK)  & how much would it cost me ?

My few neighbour has started their renovation similar to mine & mentioned to me that such drawing plan that MPK would not approve & they have been order to change the renovation in 14days if not kena saman of 50K or 3 years sentence. they got this after MPK officer drop by but proceed anyway. shocking.gif

I need some advice on this issues as i'm thinking to kick off my renovation end of this year.
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Yes u cant extend 7'. only 5' will allowed because ur balance setback at the back only 15'...15-5=10'
Side extension no issue thumbup.gif

QUOTE(jacob85 @ Aug 15 2016, 04:54 PM)
Hi. Thanks for the information!.

Is that applicable for whole-house renovation of low cost terrace house? (900square feet land)
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Dear all,

Please do not share any business/services/company here. It is not a right place to advertise ur business. Maybe at the other topic/place.

I love to share my experience and professional discussion here. So we can help each other.

Thank you. :-)
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QUOTE(kennykck @ Feb 28 2019, 11:11 PM)
My house is fully extend at the back ( both storey) by developer. However, that area is consider as yard instead of kitchen. The extension back wall is only bottom half concrete, while top half is a huge grille without window.

If I want to dismantle the grille and replace with brick and window, do I need to engage architect?  What is the process needed to apply to MBSA?

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Yes, u need to hire architect and submit plan to MBSA.
Consider as new covered area.

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