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post Apr 14 2017, 05:36 PM

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QUOTE(haikalraihan @ Feb 5 2015, 02:26 PM)
How to get the approval of building plans and work permits

1. Owner must finalize the design of renovation before hire someone to do a submission
2. If contractor volunteer to do the submission, ask them which architect/building draughtman they use and LAM Registered No.
3. If necessary, owner must hire an engineer to do some calculation, report and structure drawing. (depends on Local Authorities)
4. Owner must prepare some documents for submission such as cukai taksiran, S&P, existing CF etc.
5. Consultation fees :-

RM2500-RM3000 includes Architect endorsement, site survey, building plan drawing, documentation and traveling.

Owner must prepare some cash around RM1000-RM2000 for deposit, processing fees, tong RORO (construction waste bin) depends on scale of renovation. Deposit will be returned when construction is completed. But for DBKL, no deposit required. Just pay RM100 for renovation less than 1000sqft (CODE B2)

6. Approval/Work Permit usually takes about 7-30days depends on ‘Piagam Pelanggan’ from Local Authorities.

Additional Info:-

Basic building setback for terrace :-
a) front - 20' clear from wall to boundary (main gate)
b) back - can extend to end of boundary
c) side (corner lot) - 10' clear from wall to boundary
d) side (end lot) - 5' clear from wall to boundary

The different thing between architect and building draughtsman (BD) is , BD are limited to specifying area only and the fees therefore a bit cheaper than architect.

Do not pay to enforcement if they ask for ‘kawtim’. Report to Local Authorities if happen.

Do not start work before get an approval/work permit. If not, you will be fined as much as 10x depends on your processing fees.

Do not trust contractor if they can ‘kawtim’ with Local Authorities. Some of them didn’t do a submission and if caught, owner will be responsible.

Architect is the person who will be responsible for the probability of future. They knows about UBBL and buildings.

Just pay a little bit for pleasure in the future...

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Good for you to share and educate the readers about the big picture of permit application...I am practising as a graduate architect since 2014 and based on my experience, DBKL is easier to deal with and they follow protocol most of the time (for Jabatan Kawalan Bangunan), compared to some other authorities within the Klang Valley which I shall not disclose the Majlis. But I can see the architect's fee will go upwards with all the inflation happening here in Malaysia.

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post Jun 19 2017, 11:06 AM

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QUOTE(taysir17 @ Jun 11 2017, 03:21 PM)
Hi sifus, have a question.

My house is a semi-detached house in KL. Parents did renovation almost 10 years ago (extending kitchen and added extra room) on the side, both of which left 5'ft between the wall and the boundary. Reno done without any approvals obviously.

Is there any way for me to get a CCC? Submit as-built plans and pay fines?

I dont mind paying the cost - ultimate aim for me is to get the approval (to increase house value if i intend to sell in the future).

Or do I have to tear down the renovations to obtain said approvals?

Thanks so much.
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Yes you may. Engage an architect to help you on this. Typically the setback is 3050mm (10ft) from side boundary. Not sure if they would allow for approval for 1500mm.


QUOTE(madchin @ Jun 18 2017, 06:41 PM)
Hi sifus

Need your advice. I got a 20x65 unit under MBSA

It's a 3 storey but the 1st floor and 2nd floor is not fully extended. But the ground floor is.

I plan to extend 1st and 2nd floor all the way by using the ground floor beam.

Do you guys think I need a proper procedure for approval?

My reno contractor says the reno works is possible but he needs to add RC slabs for the 1st floor in order to sustain the 2nd floor.

Anyhow what do you guys think?

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This is consider a major renovation. So naturally you will need a proper procedure for approval. MBSA is quite stringent.
You have to engage architect AND structural engineer to design for the load, and submit for approval.
The current structure for the part you are saying is designated to carry only the ground floor and roof load. Existing roof beam cannot carry the load of another two storeys of concrete, furnitures and live load (humans).


QUOTE(okhui26 @ Jun 18 2017, 09:43 PM)
Hi All,
I got a question, i am going to start my house reno soon, no house extention involve, just normal reno like plaster ceiling, wiring job and some kitchen cabinet job, do i need to apply the tong roro from the local authority (Majlis)?

By the way, if the contractor will settle all those garbage/dump, do we still need to apply tong roro?

Thanks in advance.
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Usually the application for tong roro is only for show purposes. Depending on your Majlis, the requirement may be different. Check with your local authority.
If DBKL, you need to get a letter from their panel of approved PPSPPA waste disposal contractor, then submit a plan indicating the location of the roro bin on site.

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post Aug 8 2017, 10:25 PM

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QUOTE(mrstohchu @ Aug 7 2017, 11:28 PM)
Hi Sifus,

We recently bought a sub-sale 20year old end lot terrace house. Situation is that ex-owner has lost the CF.

We can tell from the original plans given that extension has been done to the back of the house (all the way to the boundary line).

How do we go about getting the CCC and will we get fine? Is there some 'waiver' given if we have just taken over the house and show that extension was done by previous owner?

Appreciate recommendation from those who know of persons/architects I can contact for quotes on how to get this done. My house falls under MPPJ

Also, need advise on setback.
My house has a 5ft side garden. Is my understanding correct that I must leave this 5ft as garden and cannot extend all the way to the end of the boundary?
I am asking because my nieghbour (mirror unit) extended the 2nd back half of the house all the way to the boundary.
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This afternoon I went to a client's place at BU terrace house area, saw the end lots are mostly done to the boundary...means like wall - 10ft road - wall... maybe you can check with MBPJ see if they have standard plans. Just go to the annexe building first floor and have a look at the standard plans on display...otherwise ask them.
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post Aug 24 2017, 01:52 AM

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QUOTE(Reubs @ Aug 23 2017, 09:37 PM)
You should do it the legal way. Sooner or later the town council they'll come chasing.

This happened in my area:

http://www.thestar.com.my/metro/community/...urther-delayed/

StarMetro reported (“Chance to legalise illegal renovations”, Feb 18) that from March 1, MPSJ was giving houseowners a one-year grace period to submit their plans.

This means those who have not submitted renovation plans to the council are exempted from the penalty, which is 10 times the processing fee.

Property owners will still have to pay the plan processing fee, which ranges from RM100 to RM1,000 depending on the extension, and compound arrears.

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Let them chance it if they want to, it is their life after all. Them typical third world mentality prevails. biggrin.gif
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post Aug 29 2017, 05:24 PM

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QUOTE(tryingtolearn @ Aug 24 2017, 05:48 PM)
Hi,

Thanks for taking the time to reply.

I've talked with my parents and decided to draw and submit the plan [better safe than sorry]. Apparently, my dad's friend is close with a person who used to own a house there and the extended their house to the edge [legally].

So, will be asking them for the person they were in contact with.

Just curious, typically what are the costs involved in drawing a plan, to submission and approval?

And should the plan not pass, then it's best to leave it as it is?

Thank you.
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If you haven't build it yet, then by all means, get the architect to advise the limits of what you can do.
Then only you submit the plan for approval.
It is far cheaper to make things correct on the paper than correcting it after it is built.


QUOTE(tryingtolearn @ Aug 27 2017, 11:48 PM)
Hi,

Apologies for the late reply.

Regarding the plan drawing; can we draw and get approval in advance, then build when we have the money? Any issues in getting the plan approval earlier, let's say 6 months to a year earlier?

And obtaining those MPSJ permit and CCC approval, would that be done by the architect as well?

Thank you.
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Yes you can. The Building Plan approval is valid for 1 year, and within the 1 year, the architect should issue a Form B - Notice to commence works to the local authority, then you may start building after 4 days of the Form B date. Should you fail to do anything within that 1 year, you can still send your architect to renew the Building Plan approval for another year so it would not lapse. Usually even expired after 1 year, they would still allow you to renew, and not make you to do a fresh submission.
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post Nov 24 2017, 01:41 PM

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QUOTE(arju @ Nov 15 2017, 01:31 PM)
hi, need some help plan to extend kitchen
5ft from backyard witin boundary of 24x75 with concrete
flat roof only groud floor intermediate lot double story house.

can i use mbsa standard layout for apply permit?
so can save some money no need hire people draw. can i draw myself?using autocad?
thanks you for assistance
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standard layout means no need to draw at all, they are ready-made plans. Just choose the layout you want, pay, take permit, and start work.
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post Nov 27 2017, 04:52 PM

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QUOTE(arju @ Nov 24 2017, 04:39 PM)
yesterday went to mbsa collect the rm50 form for permit application. said can use mbsa standard layout. i asked i plan extend kitchen concrete slab roof can use mbsa standard layout. said cannot but you can build the conventional roof on top of the concrete flat roof and use their std layout. anyone done before? how much it cost to build those std roof on top of concrete flat roof. thanks
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why would you want to spend the money on building the concrete flat roof, if in the end you will end up having to build a metal deck/tile roof? The weight of the concrete roof make it require more steel and bigger support (column), hence more expensive. If just build conventional roof, everything is lighter and less expensive.
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post Dec 6 2017, 08:39 PM

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QUOTE(fiqualizer @ Dec 6 2017, 08:04 PM)
Dear Haikal,

Done edit already. Cheers
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I believe there are other posts within this same thread which you should take care of too.
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post Dec 6 2017, 08:43 PM

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QUOTE(arju @ Nov 27 2017, 10:49 PM)
conventional roof thief will come in easily not? kindly advise.
i not yet start reno. tq bro
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I don't personally know an answer to this question. If you need additional security perhaps you can add metal grille above ceiling. However if you wish and since majlis allowed, you can do the way you like it.
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post Feb 5 2018, 12:38 PM

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QUOTE(Dino168 @ Jan 8 2018, 10:19 PM)
Any sifu have put in a request official request to DPKL to build a pergola with flat platform attended from a end lot house?    Can I build it all the way to the edge of the fence?    Any exception for an endlot house which has a 10ft corridor that separated from the other endlot house?

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Endlot house can even extend wall until the edge. If build pergola no problem. Still need to get approval from DBKL.

QUOTE(Krv23490 @ Jan 9 2018, 05:28 PM)
Hi, i just acquired a house subsale, and just found out previous owner did not acquire permit to do reno with mbpj. What step should i take now ? In the middle of applying permit for reno as well now? Appreciate any replies
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Apply for building plan approval and CCC from MBPJ, pay 10x of plan fee as compound (eg. based on calculation if plan fee is RM500, you need to pay RM500+RM5000 - depending on how much extent your reno is.) and if not mistaken a refundable deposit RM2000.
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QUOTE(AngelTeoh @ Mar 29 2018, 05:29 PM)
Dear All Sifus

Newbie to renovation, wish to know any permit to apply for following renovation and what kind of procedures need to go through

1. add on tempered glass awning - back yard
2. floor tiling on back yard
3. tempered glass balcony

Interior renovation not required any permit, right?

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If follow Act and By-law, any renovation need to submit for approval.
Interior if cosmetic work no need - like change tiles, cabinets, kitchen, etc.
If involve hacking and building of new wall/floor then yes you need to submit.
Get an architect/draughtsman to submit for you.

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QUOTE(littlewing @ Sep 19 2019, 01:24 PM)
Hi ! Am currently in a dilemma now. Here’s the story

1. Applied for MBPJ reno permit. Got approved however I did not do my porch extension as per plan due to budget constraints. Meaning I left it as stock (no modification). The rest of the house followed as planned.

2. Now I want to submit for CCC. However my runner said that I need to resubmit all docs to council to get CCC. The cost is the same as my initial submission (which I think it’s ridiculous).

So now I’m left with two options:
1. Don’t submit for CCC and just leave it as it. Since my file is not closed I could experience problem later on when council decides to check etc. might even kena fine.

2. Just proceed to do CCC and see what the council says. They might force me to get CCC done. If this is the case does anyone know any other methods to reduce the resubmission cost ? Im basically just removing a extension from my plan.

Appreciate if anyone with experience could help me out. Thank you.
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Save money, make porch, CCC.
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post Apr 30 2020, 06:28 PM

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QUOTE(garywjs @ Apr 25 2020, 08:51 PM)
Hi Sir,i bought a  2 storeyhouse in PJ Seapark,owner told me he lost the Reno plan and CF,was done in year 2010,is there anyway to get the plan and CF from relevant government department?
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Need to ask MBPJ to trace back and give you a copy of the CCC. May need to pay some fees.
pre-2007=CF, post-2007=CCC
There's a chance that the renovation wasn't submitted/approved, so there's no CCC, therefore the owner said 'lost' conveniently.
May trigger MBPJ to check on your property. May end up getting you to submit for approval and CCC. Just throwing possibilities.
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QUOTE(jex-koi @ Aug 14 2021, 08:48 PM)
hi,

I would like to know whether MBSA allows the usage of the car-porch roof ? If possible, I want to convert it into a small yard where plants and small items can be placed. Will put up guard rail around it. Saw some houses converting it, but not sure whether it is legit.
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Structurally,
Engineer design it to carry the load of the roof itself + some rain and occasional people walking for servicing the drain + a certain "safety factor"... a sensible engineer practicing in Malaysia knows all the shits people do, so they "might have" designed it so that it can take the load of an entire habitable room with full brick wall and roof. But who knows? Usually when engineer thinks that way, but developer thinks otherwise, and VE to do the minimum to compliance/standards.
Note that (pots + soil + plant) x number of pots will add considerable load to the roof.
Also one adult human is 50-75kg normally.
Then the guard rail (metal or glass, also got their own weight)
Your furniture, table, chairs, benches, umbrella, these things add up.

Legally,
If the end of the car porch roof is 6.1m/20ft away from front gate, you can do "renovation" but need submit plans to get approval first to the building dept. of local authority (plans endorsed by architect).
Since it involves structure, they will tell you that you also need to submit to engineering dept (plans endorsed by professional engineer with practicing certificate).
Eventually to finish the process, after approvals gotten, and done physical work, architect will issue a Borang F (CCC) to Majlis, owner, Lembaga Arkitek and keep one himself.
If and when accidents happen but you cannot produce a valid CCC for the part you reno,
1. you may face issues with insurance regarding property/vehicle and bodily harm/injury/deaths due to your "illegal" renovation
2. when you sell house, valuator will not take into consideration of the betterment/added value of the reno part, not recognised on paper. Purchaser may even ask for discount or contra because he/she may need to spent the money to "legalise" it (submit plans and pay 10x~20x fee as penalty to Majlis + professional fees)
3. Majlis can come and found you don't produce a CCC for that part, issues fine to you, and then forces you to submit plans or demolish the part.

 

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