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 Ultimate Discussion of ASNB (47457-V), Wholly owned subsidary of PNB (38218-X)

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Hansel
post Sep 10 2015, 02:32 PM

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QUOTE(wil-i-am @ Sep 10 2015, 02:24 PM)
Standard clause in almost everywhere to facilitate changes if require
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Certainly,.. a weapon that can be used when times are bad.
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post Sep 12 2015, 03:50 PM

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Just general statements Vincent heard of from one individual,... guys,..
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post Sep 12 2015, 03:54 PM

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QUOTE(wil-i-am @ Sep 12 2015, 03:51 PM)
The difference between ASB n Banks is the former have no ATM card whereas the later have ATM card which facilitate withdrawal anytime n anywhere
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The person Vincent spoke to may not use the ATM at all,... could be an elderly man depending on over-the-counter withdrawals only. There are still such people around, elderly parents and grandparents of my clients....
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post Sep 12 2015, 06:10 PM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Sep 12 2015, 06:00 PM)
oh yeah. forget about tis group  blush.gif
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I'll give a tip here : don't put in the house. Put in a safe deposit box with a bank or with Mail Boxes Etc. At least safer than putting the hard notes in the house,...
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post Sep 12 2015, 06:14 PM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Sep 12 2015, 06:07 PM)
about the ASB 200k.. in AR 2014 don't write 200k, but 50,001 to 500,000 range (total 786,207 unitholders)

let's take 500k above group. there's around 16,298 unitholders who hold around 12bil units in ASB

plz noted that 6,160,398 unitholders holding LESS than 5k in ASB
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May not reflect the net worth accurately, because they can take loans to buy the units. For units under bank loans, are these reflected as the units of the unitholders or as the units belonging to the banks ?
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post Sep 12 2015, 06:36 PM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Sep 12 2015, 06:21 PM)
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Congrats,... rclxms.gif

In that case, the units which were purchased by bank financing is also reflected a the unitholder's units. Net worth = assets minus liabilities.

Hence, the number of units held by the categories of the unitholders do not really reflect the net worths of the unitholders. This makes it difficult to judge if the large number of units held by the 16K+ unitholders represent the saying that 5%of the population holds 95% of the wealth.

'Banks could be holding' the large number of units here instead of the individuals.
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post Sep 14 2015, 09:27 PM

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Don't pull out all YET. Perhaps just half, halve your risk first. Observe the 20B's performance....
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post Sep 14 2015, 09:30 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Sep 12 2015, 11:50 PM)
Hansel If somehow ASM stays as FP and tax exempted is extended, will you try to buy back the units you sold? Or you will move on?
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If the funds hav been sent out, I wouldn't want to bring them back anymore.

As dreamer put it, my EPF in this country is already exposed to this country, hence, it's good to diversify outside of the country after the EPF.
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post Sep 15 2015, 07:54 AM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Sep 14 2015, 09:47 PM)
u mean got "small" hopeĀ  hmm.gif
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Can never be sure, but there is still time to withdraw ALL if we wished to. I'll wait for the budget ann't first, and if the Gov't does not have concreteplans from the budget without using more of PNB money, by then we can always decide to pullout all. Prior to the above, we can wait to see if the 20B pumped into the KLCI will really yield results.

Earn more dividend while you can, pull out all when all hopes are deemed lost, and before time's up.

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post Sep 15 2015, 07:57 AM

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QUOTE(wil-i-am @ Sep 14 2015, 10:22 PM)
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Well, I did say earlier that I have not redeemed all yet.

This mkt is really hard to play today.
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post Sep 15 2015, 08:19 AM

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QUOTE(wil-i-am @ Sep 15 2015, 08:01 AM)
I suppose RM20 bil won't last long as it didn't address the root cause of the problems
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Agreed. Then it comes down to the budget only, to see if there are anymore 'rabbits' in the hat.
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post Sep 15 2015, 11:06 AM

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The irony of the matter is :-

1) On the FP to VP matter : if there is going to be any change, The MP will only reflect the change in the 2016/2017 version.

2) On the Taxation matter : if again, there is going to be any change, the MP will only reflect the change in the 2017/2018 version.

We can't depend on the MPs for any hints of any possible changes that might take place.

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