RM3050 comes with 18-70 kit lens. What does everyone think? I heard the pic quality are bad under high ISO settings? It is true? Any other bad points to share??

That would be the 'technical' advantage they have ... mine would be : When you're actually OUT there you only see Canon-Nikon-Canon-Nikon-Canon-Nikon-Canon-Nikon-Canon-Nikon users ... maybe occasionally Olympus users, no Sony yet and definitely no professional users as far as I am concerned :

1. Cannot borrow lens
2. Cannot borrow flash
3. Cannot borrow battery in case flat
4. No one can help if setting went kelam kabut

Come to think about it..I was supposed to be a Sony alpha user. Then 400D came along with about the same price point.. Most of my friends advised me against a Sony (mainly because its a new comer??).. so I ended up with a 400D. Dang, wish someone had told me how crappy Canon the kit lens is. Now i have to shell out more dough for a better lens. Heard the alpha kit lens kicks a$$.

You call the Kit Lens CRAPPY-ah? It can focus in a foggy cubicle with a model showering in hot water inside you know?! Dun believe me? Lets yumcha I show you the pic, in A4 size! 

Canon 400D around RM3100 ,350D around RM2450-RM2500
Nikon D80 kit RM4290 , D80 body RM3590.
I would say its depend on budget

Why you all like to quote 400D as RM3100? Impossible to get that price leh ...

Thanks ac98 for your advise. Very valuable but sumhore i find the Alpha very tempting. Dunno why!! I'm newbie.Preparing to buy my 1st DSLR. Dun want to make mistakes though (this mistake might be very costly..!!)

To thread starter, I would say, choose Sony Alpha. By the time, the 2nd or 3rd generation comes out, you are ready to upgrade the body with a decent collection of lenses that ready to make you fly. What would you say?

The current problem that Sony Alpha facing is the noise management. Ofcoz the future generation with nicer noise management would be tempting to upgrade.

Sony has quite nice CMOS technology too. I wonder Sony would integrate it to the next Alpha. If that happens, it would be a nice competition show to see. 

Besides noise,

Sony Alpha has quite a number of good features.
- In-hardware Dynamic Range Optimization
- Eye Start AF
- 2 dial buttons which allow easy access to the menu (ofcoz compare to 400D only)
- Better grip (ofcoz compare to 400D only)
- Good battery life (again, ofcoz compare to 400D only)
- Cheaper (price) anti-camera shake implementation (*sigh*, compare to 400D only)

As for Ergonomic design, I can't totally agree with ac98 because 400D is equally suck. This is more depend on personal preference as both models have it mono-status-LCD removed.

Which one to choose? Depends on the buyer choice 

Although this topic had stopped post for couple of months with some war and gun powder smell.... luckily..it ends up quite ok...since ppl learn to know what is so call limit....

The thought of which is better or sucks more than the others really doesn't matter..ask oneself, izzit going to work for you or not....By simply flaming here and there....poisoning here and there...influence the noobs is no good....advices are welcome...stepping down on others is no good as well....

I strongly believe that each has its own good and benefits and it all depends which works for you the most....cons of each one should be tolerated by the user and find a better way of solution to overcome it instead of keep on moaning.....

There's no perfert nor foolish....don't simply comment others must be "joking" no manners at all....respect others