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post Jan 27 2015, 08:09 AM, updated 11y ago

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SHAH ALAM, Jan 25 — Perbadanan Kemajuan Negeri Selangor (PKNS) today signed a memorandum of understanding (MOU) with Raudhah City Sdn Bhd to develop a township, with a gross development value of RM12.3 billion, in Taman Sains Selangor 2, Cyberjaya.

PKNS general manager, Azlan Md Alifiah, said the 215.8-hectare mixed development project, would be based on ‘Islamic City’ concept.

“The corporation is honoured to team up with developer, Raudhah City, to undertake the the urban ‘Islamic City’ development project, which is the first in the world,” Azlan said after the ceremony to sign the MOU here today.

Azlan sign for MOU and Raudhah City was represented by its executive chairman, Datuk Sri Syed Zainal Abidin Syed Mohamed Tahir.

Also present was Selangor Mentri Besar, Mohamed Azmin Ali. Azlan said the project was expected to start in the middle of the year. “It will be developed in stages and involves four clusters — early education based on Islamic Montessori method; tertiary education and medical tourism; halal contents and creative multimedia; and, financial and commercial,” he said. — Bernama - See more at: http://m.themalaymailonline.com/money/arti...h.B4jv5Ba5.dpuf

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post Jan 27 2015, 08:30 AM

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Bye bye those invest in siberfar?
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btw, the photo is old
http://raudhah-city.com/wp-content/uploads...in-Malaysia.jpg

http://raudhah-city.com/city-development-concept/
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post Jan 27 2015, 09:20 AM

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Islamic City township in Cyberjaya? Maybe Islamic Sity In Selangor is a better name.
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post Jan 27 2015, 09:25 AM

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post Jan 27 2015, 09:29 AM

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So this means Cyberjaya will now ban pork, alcohol and all maksiat stuff?

Those invested in Cyberjaya can now say bye bye
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post Jan 27 2015, 09:36 AM

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why cyber?
plenty of landbanks?
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post Jan 27 2015, 09:37 AM

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sounds like Lao Da /老大 ...
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It's at Selangor Science Park 2 (right next 2 Cyber) which didn't really kick off. Still barren land after so many years. I think the success of this project will depend on the crowd target. Hope no religious extremists lol.

I'm not confident on the master planner and the syariah compliant part. Are there any live examples in Malaysia? On a side note, it __might__ pull those middle easterns over from Cyberjaya.

More info on Raudhah City: http://www.islamicmontessori.com/academic.html

In light of the recent Keramat ruckus maybe they should build it there. tongue.gif

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post Jan 27 2015, 10:24 AM

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No pork ?? lol... SO CHAM THEN......
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post Jan 27 2015, 10:25 AM

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become kopitiam here? I thought clearly said is within SSP2 area, not cyberjaya?

I thought will be mo merrier for cyberjaya city?
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post Jan 27 2015, 02:26 PM

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thinking to buy house at Cyberjaya...now i can forget about it..... sad.gif
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If this islamic city are so influence, not only cyberjaya are ban from non halal stuffs, whole sepang district will be ban because cyberjaya are within sepang district, SSP2 are also sepang...
dont be so narrow minded...
Probably within this Raudhah City its halal, but it doesnt apply to whole cyberjaya.. get a life man... not always think of something bad..
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post Jan 27 2015, 02:51 PM

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QUOTE(Cabinda @ Jan 27 2015, 02:48 PM)
If this islamic city are so influence, not only cyberjaya are ban from non halal stuffs, whole sepang district will be ban because cyberjaya are within sepang district, SSP2 are also sepang...
dont be so narrow minded...
Probably within this Raudhah City its halal, but it doesnt apply to whole cyberjaya.. get a life man... not always think of something bad..
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dun play play with religion stuff in Bolehland....suddenly wanna change whole Cyberjaya to Islamic Hud...this can happen wor... sweat.gif

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dun play play with religion stuff in Bolehland....suddenly wanna change whole Cyberjaya to Islamic Hud...this can happen wor... sweat.gif
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then why only cyberjaya? whole sepang will change too? then move out from sepang asap... if this is your assumption
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will western country IT investors abandon CBJ?
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post Jan 27 2015, 03:18 PM

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cannot ban non hall for whole sepang, later klia not international anymore
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I support also, any rough idea on the housing prices? (sorry for the lame question, im pretty new in hartanah field)
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i think this is a good development, and hope they making this project a most unique islamic city which will even attract tourist and turn into real hot spot which will generate really good retails for the neighbourhood like cyberjaya..
to those who think investor will shy away, i think they are really numb nut, if by this little city and investor shy away, then malaysia will have no investor long time ago..
anyway, its up to personal preference, those think its offended will always have an alternative..
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PKNS, Raudhah City meterai MoU bangun Bandar Raudhah RM12.3 bilion
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SHAH ALAM, 25 JAN: Perbadanan Kemajuan Negeri Selangor (PKNS) hari ini memeterai memorandum persefahaman (MoU) bersama Raudhah City Sdn Bhd bagi membangunkan Bandar Raudhah dengan nilai pembangunan kasar (GDV) RM12.3 billion.

Dato’ Menteri Besar, Mohamed Azmin Ali berkata, pembangunan di Taman Sains Selangor 2 itu mampu memberi impak positif kepada ekonomi dan kesejahteraan rakyat.

Katanya, pembangunan di atas tanah seluas 533 ekar itu juga berupaya mengukuh peranan PKNS sebagai peneraju bidang hartanah di Malaysia.

“Kerajaan Negeri amat menitikberatkan pembangunan holistik yang meliputi ok kepentingan rakyat berbilang kaum dan agama.

“Pembangunan Raudhah City perlu memastikan bahawa menjadi Islam itu tidak ada kena mengena dengan perkauman, ekstrim dan keganasan,” katanya.

Beliau berucap demikian dalam majlis menandatangani MoU di Pusat Konvensyen Shah Alam (SACC), di sini, hari ini.

Beliau kemudian bersama wakil Saudi Binladin Group, Yehia Jawad Yehia menyaksikan upacara tanda tangan di antara PKNS dan Raudhah City Sdn Bhd.

PKNSPKNS diwakili Pengurus Besar, Azlan Md Alifiah serta timbalannya, Noraida Mohd Yusof manakala Raudhah City Sdn Bhd diwakili pengerusinya, Datuk Seri Syed Zainal Abidin Syed Mohd Tahir dan Ketua Pegawai Eksekutifnya, Mohd Fadzil Hashim.

Bandar Raudhah dibangunkan di 25 buah negara di seluruh dunia dan Malaysia terpilih sebagai negara pertama dan Selangor adalah lokasi pertama pembangunan berkenaan.

Projek pembangunan itu akan memberi fokus kepada beberapa kluster ekonomi utama iaitu kluster pendidikan awal, l pendidikan tinggi, pelancongan perubatan, multimedia kreatif, komersial dan kediaman.

Konsep bandar itu juga diiktiraf di Forum Ekonomi Islam Sedunia (WIEF) pada 2013 di London sebagai bandar Islam moden pertama di dunia.

Projek berkenaan dijangka mengambil masa 15 tahun untuk disiapkan sepenuhnya sementara fasa pertama yang bermula tahun hadapan dijangka siap menjelang tahun 2020.


JV between PKNS,syed zainal ex proton CEO & saudi company
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QUOTE(xl2778 @ Jan 27 2015, 08:09 AM)
SHAH ALAM, Jan 25 — Perbadanan Kemajuan Negeri Selangor (PKNS) today signed a memorandum of understanding (MOU) with Raudhah City Sdn Bhd to develop a township, with a gross development value of RM12.3 billion, in Taman Sains Selangor 2, Cyberjaya.

PKNS general manager, Azlan Md Alifiah, said the 215.8-hectare mixed development project, would be based on ‘Islamic City’ concept.

“The corporation is honoured to team up with developer, Raudhah City, to undertake the the urban ‘Islamic City’ development project, which is the first in the world,” Azlan said after the ceremony to sign the MOU here today.

Azlan sign for MOU and Raudhah City was represented by its executive chairman, Datuk Sri Syed Zainal Abidin Syed Mohamed Tahir.

Also present was Selangor Mentri Besar, Mohamed Azmin Ali. Azlan said the project was expected to start in the middle of the year. “It will be developed in stages and involves four clusters — early education based on Islamic Montessori method; tertiary education and medical tourism; halal contents and creative multimedia; and, financial and commercial,” he said. — Bernama - See more at: http://m.themalaymailonline.com/money/arti...h.B4jv5Ba5.dpuf
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If you look at SSP2 today state of condition, it is a failure... At least from execution side.

IMO, above is just rebranding from previous concept.

Btw, SSP2 is not part of Cyberjaya, no?

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QUOTE(gks @ Jan 27 2015, 03:53 PM)
If you look at SSP2 today state of condition, it is a failure... At least from execution side.

IMO, above is just rebranding from previous concept.

Btw, SSP2 is not part of Cyberjaya, no?
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Many think SSP2 are part of cyberjaya, so they comment with their own assumption, but in fact, they don't really know where is cyberjaya... And where is the boundary for cyberjaya...
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A mini "Putrajaya" but this one as for residential perhaps?...
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Is there any problem with beard and tudung people?! Why always make a racist statement?? Are all non-muslim eat pig and drink alcohol?if people like you don't buy a prop in this area, i'm more than happy.... so annoyed with stereotyping....

I'm a muslim and i'm proud to be one...
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Putrajaya, cyberjaya this should call islamjaya
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Not a problem. Just noting the feature.
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QUOTE(gks @ Jan 27 2015, 03:53 PM)
If you look at SSP2 today state of condition, it is a failure... At least from execution side.

IMO, above is just rebranding from previous concept.

Btw, SSP2 is not part of Cyberjaya, no?
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no, its like subang and usj.
SSP2 is the area where the light industry is (Q cells)

I would like to see them fixing the fallen bridge first!
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no, its like subang and usj.
SSP2 is the area where the light industry is (Q cells)

I would like to see them fixing the fallen bridge first!
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The bridge is fixed i think. Just not opened. You can see the bridge when you are using B15 highway to/for ELITE highway.
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It is good that pkns recognise that ssp2 is a failure and doing something about it
Whether the new concept/masterplan is acceptable to all is different story. Anything is better than current state of ssp2.
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QUOTE(Hammer2013 @ Jan 27 2015, 09:29 AM)
So this means Cyberjaya will now ban pork, alcohol and all maksiat stuff?

Those invested in Cyberjaya can now say bye bye
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those investers pls keep ur shit bank non-existing money in some other country...
let ppl live and share happiness..
its becoz of farking investers now ppl like me cant afford to buy house

thumbs up for this project
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QUOTE(rainman19 @ Jan 27 2015, 09:36 AM)
why cyber?
plenty of landbanks?
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plenty of land and pork in PRC ... move out pls ...
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QUOTE(hornbill_78 @ Jan 27 2015, 04:56 PM)
Putrajaya, cyberjaya this should call islamjaya
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so whats ur problem, ? r u not malaysian ?
what shall we call penang then ... ....

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Things always have 2 angles. Like RM depreciated bad for import coy, but good for export coy. If ssp2 and CBJ turned bad, which locations turned better....! ;-)
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is this one near the Gamuda Land big land bought last year.?

If so. Gamuda Land this time can bungkus lio. Gamuda Share will drop 50% rclxms.gif

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Sibeh Halal Jaya now attracting a lot of newbies with comments.

Interesting to see them fight.
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I am chinese first of all. i really despise ppl who are bringing pork into the living discussion and intend to stoke up racial issue. and i have NO freaking idea, why you base your decision solely on pork as a reason to its growths and standard of living. Would you die if you don't eat pork? No you won't

with your mindset, its best you live in jinjang and outskirt of the city. don't think we need low IQ people like you here in CBJ. smile.gif

So what if Cbj has a islamic sub-township within cbj?

All in all, if you have come to cyberjaya thread, we expect you to have an open minded discussion with also being respectful of others culture and religion.

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QUOTE(leftist @ Jan 27 2015, 04:04 PM)
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Looks like Q Cells at bottom right and elite tol at the top. If it is, seems like facing qiblat.
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QUOTE(propertyMontKiara @ Jan 27 2015, 09:17 PM)
I am chinese first of all. i really despise ppl who are bringing pork into the living discussion and intend to stoke up racial issue. and i have NO freaking idea, why you base your decision solely on pork as a reason to its growths and standard of living. Would you die if you don't eat pork? No you won't

with your mindset, its best you live in jinjang and outskirt of the city. don't think we need low IQ people like you here in CBJ. smile.gif

So what if Cbj has a islamic sub-township within cbj?

All in all, if you have come to cyberjaya thread, we expect you to have an open minded discussion with also being respectful of others culture and religion.
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I am Chinese too and I think there is too much prejudice/paranoia towards Islam in this thread. People jump too fast to conclusion. That said over here at Bolehland it is not uncommon for authority in (religion) to be misused or used as political tool. As long as the folks staying/governing this sub township are not extremists/religious zealots that should be fine.
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Wondering if one day we will have Hinduism City, Christian City, Buddhism City, Sikhism City, Judaism City, No Religion City?

Why create a township with religion on it? doh.gif
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QUOTE(tikaram @ Jan 27 2015, 09:46 PM)
Wondering if one day we will have Hinduism City, Christian City, Buddhism City, Sikhism City, Judaism City, No Religion City?

Why create a township with religion on it?  doh.gif
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Islam like many religion is a way of life. To me this project will not discourage me to live in Cyberjaya despite being a chinese. If done properly its like any major city like Dubai or Doha smile.gif
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All religions are good and ask the followers to live hormony with peoples surround them... But, once irresponsible politicians use religions to gain personal benefits, it will be disaster!
So, this is a good concept project.. the concern is how it will executed! As usual, our politicians always N.A.T.O!!!
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QUOTE(dawnrose @ Jan 27 2015, 10:52 PM)
Islam like many religion is a way of life. To me this project will not discourage me to live in Cyberjaya despite being a chinese. If done properly its like any major city like Dubai or Doha smile.gif
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even dubai and doha also got place selling alcohol wo.

it should look like saudi township. most likely every house with 4 wifes. brows.gif
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QUOTE(tikaram @ Jan 27 2015, 10:04 PM)
even dubai and doha also got place selling alcohol wo.

it should look like saudi township. most likely every house with 4 wifes.  brows.gif
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One harimou one house. Propose boss to buy cluster semi-d. Ngam bo?

P/s: hope no enforcement of women driving not allowed. Else, boss has to hire 4 drivers lior!

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One harimou one house. Propose boss to buy cluster semi-d. Ngam bo?

P/s: hope no enforcement of women driving not allowed. Else, boss has to hire 4 drivers lior!
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It sounds like a cult commune in the making. Will they serve everyone here Kool-aid at the end? Ok I kid.
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Apppreciate if we could avoid extremist remarks and respect others. I believe we are all matured enough. Let's focus on "property" topic.
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QUOTE(Babizz @ Jan 27 2015, 09:16 PM)
Sibeh Halal Jaya now attracting a lot of newbies with comments.

Interesting to see them fight.
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Later it will turn into RWI or Kopitiam session...
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Many think SSP2 are part of cyberjaya, so they comment with their own assumption, but in fact, they don't really know where is cyberjaya... And where is the boundary for cyberjaya...
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Yup. Ssp2 is not part of cyberjaya...u go ask cyberview...if dont believe. Anyway within or not..not important...at least something on going there better than kosong pathetic flat land there....but as usual...govt back proj doesnt go far...
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Do u guys realize that some of us here are muslims? Why make such harsh remarks?
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i rather believe those ultra kiasu ppl making such comment to make sure cbj will not grow up as a mature township, or it will be a very tough for competitors to compete as most of the investor know they well planned concept in cbj and are unbeatable.. so by making susch nonsense comment to calm themselves down.. so that they gain peace in the heart... this is low mentality ppl which always see things on the other side...
Me as non muslim also have no problem with this development.. and feeling great to see ahead for the success for this islamic township...
to those who unable to accept it, just go away, no point coming here and offending the muslim ppl with your baseless comment..
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Bro - SSP2 is not part of cyberjaya thus can you revise your thread title correctly pls? It's next to cyber but not inside the cyberjaya area.

QUOTE(xl2778 @ Jan 27 2015, 08:09 AM)
SHAH ALAM, Jan 25 — Perbadanan Kemajuan Negeri Selangor (PKNS) today signed a memorandum of understanding (MOU) with Raudhah City Sdn Bhd to develop a township, with a gross development value of RM12.3 billion, in Taman Sains Selangor 2, Cyberjaya.

PKNS general manager, Azlan Md Alifiah, said the 215.8-hectare mixed development project, would be based on ‘Islamic City’ concept.

“The corporation is honoured to team up with developer, Raudhah City, to undertake the the urban ‘Islamic City’ development project, which is the first in the world,” Azlan said after the ceremony to sign the MOU here today.

Azlan sign for MOU and Raudhah City was represented by its executive chairman, Datuk Sri Syed Zainal Abidin Syed Mohamed Tahir.

Also present was Selangor Mentri Besar, Mohamed Azmin Ali. Azlan said the project was expected to start in the middle of the year. “It will be developed in stages and involves four clusters — early education based on Islamic Montessori method; tertiary education and medical tourism; halal contents and creative multimedia; and, financial and commercial,” he said. — Bernama - See more at: http://m.themalaymailonline.com/money/arti...h.B4jv5Ba5.dpuf
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Thanks to our brothers and sisters who can accept religious diversity. For those who feel good hurting the feelings of muslims or other religions, congratulations, you did it. It's not your fault, maybe you did not get the right information about other religion. Hopefully, someday you will change.
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QUOTE(tikaram @ Jan 27 2015, 09:46 PM)
Wondering if one day we will have Hinduism City, Christian City, Buddhism City, Sikhism City, Judaism City, No Religion City?

Why create a township with religion on it?  doh.gif
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This is the exact question in my mind - what would happen if another developer proposes another religious themes development (besides Islam), let's say somewhere in KL (maybe Rawang etc) where the whole the is built around another religion - will this be okay with everyone ?

Will there be protests? I'm pretty sure sales wouldn't be an issue.

Or Atheist City ? A-City for free thinking professionals and tech experts.
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It might be a peaceful township if everyone keep the true belief of each religion.
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Obviously not the Malaysia's politicians.

QUOTE(Mc Henry @ Jan 28 2015, 07:34 AM)
It might be a peaceful township if everyone keep the true belief of each religion.
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those investers pls keep ur shit bank non-existing  money in some other country...
let ppl live and share happiness..
its becoz of farking investers now ppl like me cant afford to buy house

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what can I say?

Work harder bro.... biggrin.gif

or alternatively, PRIMA can ada.... biggrin.gif
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I am chinese first of all. i really despise ppl who are bringing pork into the living discussion and intend to stoke up racial issue. and i have NO freaking idea, why you base your decision solely on pork as a reason to its growths and standard of living. Would you die if you don't eat pork? No you won't

with your mindset, its best you live in jinjang and outskirt of the city. don't think we need low IQ people like you here in CBJ. smile.gif

So what if Cbj has a islamic sub-township within cbj?

All in all, if you have come to cyberjaya thread, we expect you to have an open minded discussion with also being respectful of others culture and religion.
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You underestimate the importance of pork and alcohol to prop investors.

Places that have them = high property prices due to vibrant commercial and living centres.

Places that don't have them = low and stagnant prices due to dead town.

Look at shah alam centre and putrajaya.

Afternoon okay, night dead.

Nobody's gonna invest there.
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QUOTE(Cabinda @ Jan 28 2015, 06:41 AM)
i rather believe those ultra kiasu ppl making such comment to make sure cbj will not grow up as a mature township, or it will be a very tough for competitors to compete as most of the investor know they well planned concept in cbj and are unbeatable.. so by making susch nonsense comment to calm themselves down.. so that they gain peace in the heart... this is low mentality ppl which always see things on the other side...
Me as non muslim also have no problem with this development.. and feeling great to see ahead for the success for this islamic township...
to those who unable to accept it, just go away, no point coming here and offending the muslim ppl with your baseless comment..
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I don't think people have problem with the development per se, but if you put the label "islam" in it, pork, nightlife and alcohol will be automatically prohibited.

Now if this cover that zone where the development is based on, I don't think it would be a problem.

But I forsee once it is completed and their people move in, they won't be satisfied that only their area is "maksiat" free, they will want ALL of cyberjaya to be "maksiat" free.

Hey, Islamic township mah. How can they be sorrounded by sin activities, wan?

So to all sibehfarjaya investors, you guys just bought loads of small apartments in shah alam and putrajaya lor, that's what will happen.


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QUOTE(Hammer2013 @ Jan 28 2015, 09:40 AM)
I don't think people have problem with the development per se, but if you put the label "islam" in it, pork, nightlife and alcohol will be automatically prohibited.

Now if this cover that zone where the development is based on, I don't think it would be a problem.

But I forsee once it is completed and their people move in, they won't be satisfied that only their area is "maksiat" free, they will want ALL of cyberjaya to be "maksiat" free.

Hey, Islamic township mah. How can they be sorrounded by sin activities, wan?

So to all sibehfarjaya investors, you guys just bought loads of small apartments in shah alam and putrajaya lor, that's what will happen.
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So they want their place to be free, and then cyberjaya and then puchong, and then PJ and then shah alam and then KL and then Subang jaya, and then selangor, and then negeri sembilan, and then perak, and then kelantan, and then terengganu, and then whole peninsular malaysia, and then sarawak, and then sabah, and then thailand, and then indonesia, and then vietnam, singapore and then SEA, then ASIA? so SSP2 are the nucleus of the spreading?

you must be very brilliant... thumbup.gif thumbup.gif very ambitious rclxms.gif rclxms.gif

so are the place around j@is in shah alam and ism@ at bangi free from everything?


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QUOTE(Cabinda @ Jan 28 2015, 10:09 AM)
So they want their place to be free, and then cyberjaya and then puchong, and then PJ and then shah alam and then KL and then Subang jaya, and then selangor, and then negeri sembilan, and then perak, and then kelantan, and then terengganu, and then whole peninsular malaysia, and then sarawak, and then sabah, and then thailand, and then indonesia, and then vietnam, singapore and then SEA, then ASIA? so SSP2 are the nucleus of the spreading?

you must be very brilliant...  thumbup.gif  thumbup.gif very ambitious rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif

so are the place around j@is in shah alam and ism@ at bangi free from everything?
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Firstly, you don't think they will trying that even now?biggrin.gif

Right now, they are not succeding....yet. But who knows 30 years down the line what will happen?

Afterall, with UMNO and PAS getting more and more conservative to win malay votes, I for one will see it happen, maybe when my kids are adults.... biggrin.gif

But for cyberjaya and this project is concerned, I got a feeling once completed the banning of all "maksiat" activities will happen eventually.

Utusan, ISMA and PERKASA will raise hell, saying how come malay and Islamic areas got pubs and pork wan.

Don't believe me? Go look at hindhu temple issue at putrajaya recently and beer shop in Bangi.


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Very funny, the project already stated maksiat-free within this project, why u all keep saying it will spread to cyberjaya.

If this project really so succesful until spread to cyberjaya, i think it will be more opportunity for cyberjaya investor as more foreigner coming in, another level bomb.


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Mingyew bro - Maybe you are right.
1). if the project is so successful that spread into cyberjaya, more foreigner / investors will tend to buy which properties price boom.
2). If the project is not successful, cyberjaya remains as the vibrant yum-seng pork welcome city, current nice living environment also make it boom.

Note - Hahaha... Oh I think am too positive thinking? smile.gif

QUOTE(mingyew @ Jan 28 2015, 10:19 AM)
Very funny, the project already stated maksiat-free within this project, why u all keep saying it will spread to cyberjaya.

If this project really so succesful until spread to cyberjaya, i think it will be more opportunity for cyberjaya investor as more foreigner coming in, another level bomb.
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QUOTE(Hammer2013 @ Jan 28 2015, 10:17 AM)
Firstly, you don't think they will trying that even now?biggrin.gif

Right now, they are not succeding....yet. But who knows 30 years down the line what will happen?

Afterall, with UMNO and PAS getting more and more conservative to win malay votes, I for one will see it happen, maybe when my kids are adults.... biggrin.gif

But for cyberjaya and this project is concerned, I got a feeling once completed the banning of all "maksiat" activities will happen eventually.

Utusan, ISMA and PERKASA will raise hell, saying how come malay and Islamic areas got pubs and pork wan.

Don't believe me? Go look at hindhu temple issue at putrajaya recently and beer shop in Bangi.
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with your logic, so meaning property in malaysia will all stagnant in future...

i agree to ban all maksiat things... coz it will have more negative than positive impact...
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with your logic, so meaning property in malaysia will all stagnant in future...

i agree to ban all maksiat things... coz it will have more negative than positive impact...
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I agree, but then, who gives the right for one group to impose their beliefs to another?

What right you have to stop my lifestyle?
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QUOTE(Cabinda @ Jan 28 2015, 10:53 AM)
with your logic, so meaning property in malaysia will all stagnant in future...

i agree to ban all maksiat things... coz it will have more negative than positive impact...
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If want Malaisia become international and many foreginer come, maksiat needed. lol
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I agree, but then, who gives the right for one group to impose their beliefs to another?

What right you have to stop my lifestyle?
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before that get yourself to understand what is maksiat first..
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If want Malaisia become international and many foreginer come, maksiat needed. lol
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so meaning you like to get rob, and your wife adultery? and you too adultery? and sex on the street? and stealing is daily encounter? drunk and sleep on the street, and fighting like there is no tomorrow..

all the maksiat is meaning we're getting into international?

cool idealogy...
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before that get yourself to understand what is maksiat first..
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I don't care what your definition of maksiat is.

just keep to yourself and don't impose them on me and where I invest my money.

That's all.
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I don't care what your definition of maksiat is.

just keep to yourself and don't impose them on me and where I invest my money.

That's all.
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then you are barking at wrong place...

if you know the theory of where to put your money, then why you interrupt where others put their money?

dont be hypocrite man.. get a life.. and travel more overseas and learn the good culture from all around the world.. dont stay in your nut shell and be so narrow mind.. biggrin.gif biggrin.gif biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(Cabinda @ Jan 28 2015, 11:24 AM)
then you are barking at wrong place...

if you know the theory of where to put your money, then why you interrupt where others put their money?

dont be hypocrite man.. get a life.. and travel more overseas and learn the good culture from all around the world.. dont stay in your nut shell and be so narrow mind..  biggrin.gif  biggrin.gif  biggrin.gif
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Haha, whatever dude.

Cyberjaya is already oversaturated with sohos and studios.

Only saving grace it is not an alcohol and pork free zone like putrajaya. biggrin.gif

Now with this announcement of this Islamic City nearby, I am thankful I didn't put my money in there.

Afterwards cyberjaya also declare alcohol and pork free zone like putrajaya then jialat.....
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Going off topic you all... does anyone know the track record of the parties involved??

Are they capable of doing this?

I have my doubts about an executive from proton running the show... or did i read it wrong?
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I doubt the capability of PKNS and this ex-proton leader to execute the project successfully.
Most probably it will be another failure or white elephant project.
Nevertheless, the project theme with religion has also caused some investor / own stayer feel uncomfortable or hesitate to continue buying cyber which is definitely not a win-win situation to both SSP2 and cyber.

PKNS / PKR - doh.gif doh.gif doh.gif


QUOTE(Thradash @ Jan 28 2015, 11:39 AM)
Going off topic you all... does anyone know the track record of the parties involved??

Are they capable of doing this?

I have my doubts about an executive from proton running the show... or did i read it wrong?
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Those who want to involve political and racial issue should just go somewhere else. This is property thread. Not so sure why people keep coming in and complaining although they said they did not invest in cyberjaya... thought they should move on to other thread happily discuss where they invest in.

And maybe they did not even know where ssp is.

And going back to the topic, yes I have doubt PKNS can execute this project successfully.

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QUOTE(Hammer2013 @ Jan 28 2015, 11:30 AM)
Haha, whatever dude.

Cyberjaya is already oversaturated with sohos and studios.

Only saving grace it is not an alcohol and pork free zone like putrajaya.  biggrin.gif

Now with this announcement of this Islamic City nearby, I am thankful I didn't put my money in there.

Afterwards cyberjaya also declare alcohol and pork free zone like putrajaya then jialat.....
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Thanks god too you didnt buy in cbj...

cbj less 1 extremist like you..

and get your fact correct pls.. IOI city mall within putrajaya, and they do serve pork..
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QUOTE(Cabinda @ Jan 28 2015, 12:33 PM)
Thanks god too you didnt buy in cbj...

cbj less 1 extremist like you..

and get your fact correct pls.. IOI city mall within putrajaya, and they do serve pork..
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Good one cabinda... some people just think they know everything in fact they dont.
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Im not confortable with this new development
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QUOTE(Cabinda @ Jan 28 2015, 12:33 PM)
Thanks god too you didnt buy in cbj...

cbj less 1 extremist like you..

and get your fact correct pls.. IOI city mall within putrajaya, and they do serve pork..
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for now....who knows what will happen in the future...eh?
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Thought this area wanna develop industrial and kilang area provide job opportunity...now another housing township? Adus...
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Bro - Tot you are muslim? WHy not comfortable?

QUOTE(max_cavalera @ Jan 28 2015, 01:27 PM)
Im not confortable with this new development
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for now....who knows what will happen in the future...eh?
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U seems like, u know the future.. Probably u have the 7th sense..

Then just keep your eyes open and see... But don't tell your grandson that you should have bought story ya..

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QUOTE(Soros007 @ Jan 28 2015, 03:21 PM)
Bro - Tot you are muslim? WHy not comfortable?
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Already have shah alam and putrajaya for muslim based city... Why need to add more...furthermore cj is designed to be international it support hub why suddenly wanna 'islamize' part of the city?

Without much economic activity around cyberjaya in the long run the land and area wont be worth much more than it is right now... I was hoping this place could be a new city with more job opportunity either for knowledge based or skilled worker...
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QUOTE(Cabinda @ Jan 28 2015, 03:19 PM)
U seems like, u know the future..  Probably u have the 7th sense..

Then just keep your eyes open and see... But don't tell your grandson that you should have bought story ya..
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landed maybe...even then plenty of other options elsewhere.

Sohos and studios oversaturated there already....buyer beware, regardless whether it turns into another putrajaya or shah alam or not.... biggrin.gif
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Let us see if it can be as happening as PJ, Subang Jaya, Penang etc. See business can grow there or not. Or another "empty city" like putrajaya and shah alam city center. whistling.gif

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Islamic city, which means 100% bumi quota ? fantastic idea ~
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Let us see if it can be as happening as PJ, Subang Jaya, Penang etc. See business can grow there or not. Or another "empty city" like putrajaya and shah alam city center. whistling.gif
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Putrajaya empty city? Define empty please.. Putrajaya development are booming. same goes with Bangi. I dont know how busy u want for ur township.. no peace of mind at all.. deng..

I really please if radical and extremist mindset stay away from developmnt. cud help to cool down the price. rclxms.gif rclxms.gif rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(aquaria87 @ Jan 28 2015, 03:36 PM)
Putrajaya empty city? Define empty please.. Putrajaya development are booming. same goes with Bangi. I dont know how busy u want for ur township.. no peace of mind at all.. deng..

I really please if radical and extremist mindset stay away from developmnt. cud help to cool down the price. rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif
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Yes booming... INTENTIONALLY developed... by a huge fund poured on it (i think no need to specify the source here). Bangi too, but a bit better than Putrajaya thanks to UKM and neighbour Kajang... They need events like hot air balloon and flower exhibitions to attract temporary crowds.

Business centers like Subang Jaya dont even need special funds, and heck, it was not even expected to grow so fast.

I am not saying that being congested is good, but it somehow shows how willing is people to live or do business there. Get the idea?

By the way, I have a same wish like urs. Hope this project wont be a development of radicalism and extremism.
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i dont understand why you all want 'maksiat' activity near your place of living.

if for me no pub, no masaj those nonsense even better. leave all those to kepong/puchong area pls.

only downside is no pork la.
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QUOTE(akh2920 @ Jan 28 2015, 03:49 PM)
Yes booming... INTENTIONALLY developed... by a huge fund poured on it (i think no need to specify the source here). Bangi too, but a bit better than Putrajaya thanks to UKM and neighbour Kajang... They need events like hot air balloon and flower exhibitions to attract temporary crowds.

Business centers like Subang Jaya dont even need special funds, and heck, it was not even expected to grow so fast.

I am not saying that being congested is good, but it somehow shows how willing is people to live or do business there. Get the idea?

By the way, I have a same wish like urs. Hope this project wont be a development of radicalism and extremism.
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For me to raise a family, a peace and harmony place like Putrajaya or Bangi or even Kota Warisan is good for me. I dont need night club or spa center nearby or within my neighbohd. And Y Putrajaya have hot air ballon is not due to ur narrow minded empty bizness, but in fact the area is so peace and calm which really suit with the event. Have no hustle bustle...

I dont think IOI or SP Setia intentioanlly developed and sell their product at Putrajaya.. U think they have too much money to spent till just simply developed their land bank without doing their Fesibility study ka?

And maybe IOI is so stupid constructing their New IOI mall within Putrajaya. and same goes to JW Marriot and Everly..ups dont forget IOI golf resort.. they shud ask u first before investing their land bank.. rclxub.gif rclxub.gif

p/s Putrajay folks are willing stay at putrajaya. even they work at KL.... smile.gif

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i dont understand why you all want 'maksiat' activity near your place of living.

if for me no pub, no masaj those nonsense even better. leave all those to kepong/puchong area pls.

only downside is no pork la.
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Use MEX, 15 minutes can hv pork dinner at kuchai bro.. dont worry. Or LDP have gr8 dinner at Puchong.. No big deal la.. rclxm9.gif
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QUOTE(aquaria87 @ Jan 28 2015, 03:57 PM)
For me to raise a family, a peace and harmony place like Putrajaya or Bangi or even Kota Warisan is good for me. I dont need night club or spa center nearby or within my neighbohd. And Y Putrajaya have hot air ballon is not due to ur narrow minded empty bizness, but in fact the area is so peace and calm which really suit with the event. Have no hustle bustle...

I dont think IOI or SP Setia intentioanlly developed and sell their product at Putrajaya.. U think they have too much money to spent till just simply developed their land bank without doing their Fesibility study ka?

And maybe IOI is so stupid constructing their New IOI mall within Putrajaya. and same goes to JW Marriot and Everly..ups dont forget IOI gold resort.. they shud ask u first before investing their land bank..  rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif

p/s Putrajay folks are willing stay at putrajaya. even they work at KL.... smile.gif
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Lol ok, I wasnt meaning IOI or SP setia. They dare to invest there because they can see the government's (ok now u know who i was meaning) effort to bring up the place. In chinese saying, "pull the paddy grass to help it grow faster".

Once again, I wasnt against peacefulness or really loves night clubs at all, but there is a reason why majority people (local or other states) dont prefer to stay there/do business there. It is only good for sight seeing, that's all. Just like icity in shah alam, just sight seeing.

Of course, there are a small part of people (particularly retired age) who prefer peace places such as putrajaya, ipoh and so on. I definitely not against that, as it is personal preference. But the growth of the place really need to be think about.
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Lol ok, I wasnt meaning IOI or SP setia. They dare to invest there because they can see the government's (ok now u know who i was meaning) effort to bring up the place. In chinese saying, "pull the paddy grass to help it grow faster".

Once again, I wasnt against peacefulness or really loves night clubs at all, but there is a reason why majority people (local or other states) dont prefer to stay there/do business there. It is only good for sight seeing, that's all. Just like icity in shah alam, just sight seeing.

Of course, there are a small part of people (particularly retired age) who prefer peace places such as putrajaya, ipoh and so on. I definitely not against that, as it is personal preference. But the growth of the place really need to be think about.
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Well, thank you for staying away from this development. Hope many will join ur sentimen. at least the property price wont skyrocketing like crazy if more ppl plus urself interested in this development.

I shud thank you for staying away. N guess what, i def stay away from developmnt fall under ur investing cake coz def lot of crazy busy hustle bustle life...

i am not retiree but me n my bunch of group love to stay and invest on this type of development. Also less competition in bizness is good for us making bizness there.. thank you bro for having tht mindset.. thumbup.gif thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(aquaria87 @ Jan 28 2015, 04:23 PM)
Well, thank you for staying away from this development. Hope many will join ur sentimen. at least the property price wont skyrocketing like crazy if more ppl plus urself interested in this development.

I shud thank you for staying away. N guess what, i def stay away from developmnt fall under ur investing cake coz def lot of crazy busy hustle bustle life...

i am not retiree but me n my bunch of group love to stay and invest on this type of development. Also less competition in bizness is good for us making bizness there.. thank you bro for having tht mindset.. thumbup.gif  thumbup.gif
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Islamic city, which means 100% bumi quota ? fantastic idea ~
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as long as u dont mind the concept all people can buy...not limited to bumi
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With all respect, I am sure non-muslim wont buy this project.
The only chance this project can be succeed is to sell 'affordable' price - just like another shah alam (not even classy like putrajaya) due to purchasing power.

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QUOTE(Cabinda @ Jan 28 2015, 06:41 AM)
i rather believe those ultra kiasu ppl making such comment to make sure cbj will not grow up as a mature township, or it will be a very tough for competitors to compete as most of the investor know they well planned concept in cbj and are unbeatable.. so by making susch nonsense comment to calm themselves down.. so that they gain peace in the heart... this is low mentality ppl which always see things on the other side...
Me as non muslim also have no problem with this development.. and feeling great to see ahead for the success for this islamic township...
to those who unable to accept it, just go away, no point coming here and offending the muslim ppl with your baseless comment..
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spot on. i have no problem having an Islamic City.

I have a lot of good muslim friends. they have no problem with non-muslim friend, so I am to them.

The only reason we are made to perceive on one another differently is because of the politicians in Malaysia. don't get yourself trapped into their game.

We are malaysian. we just have to accept another without talking about skin color and learn be respectful and sensitive on everyone' religion. Those who can't get it, you don't only deserve living in cyberjaya, you don't even deserve be in the cyberjaya thread.. smile.gif

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QUOTE(Hammer2013 @ Jan 28 2015, 09:40 AM)
I don't think people have problem with the development per se, but if you put the label "islam" in it, pork, nightlife and alcohol will be automatically prohibited.

Now if this cover that zone where the development is based on, I don't think it would be a problem.

But I forsee once it is completed and their people move in, they won't be satisfied that only their area is "maksiat" free, they will want ALL of cyberjaya to be "maksiat" free.

Hey, Islamic township mah. How can they be sorrounded by sin activities, wan?

So to all sibehfarjaya investors, you guys just bought loads of small apartments in shah alam and putrajaya lor, that's what will happen.
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you so brilliant in forseeing this will happen, but you couldn't forsee how cyberjaya's whole ecosystem will far outweigh the so called "cons" you are talking about? you are only seeing one side of things here..

Speaking of that, if you still want to stick your extremist thoughts of how Islamic city would bring down the property attractiveness, then can you explain why Dubai is so attractive from investment standpoints?

Unique city as such will only bring in more investments and attractions. Look, the Islamic city is built next to the most intelligent City in Malaysia, and not built in some outskirt area which is unknown to us.

And the point here is not that, you should learn to be more sensitive and respectful on other race/religions, and Im non-muslim.
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QUOTE(Cabinda @ Jan 28 2015, 11:24 AM)
then you are barking at wrong place...

if you know the theory of where to put your money, then why you interrupt where others put their money?

dont be hypocrite man.. get a life.. and travel more overseas and learn the good culture from all around the world.. dont stay in your nut shell and be so narrow mind..  biggrin.gif  biggrin.gif  biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(Hammer2013 @ Jan 28 2015, 11:30 AM)
Haha, whatever dude.

Cyberjaya is already oversaturated with sohos and studios.

Only saving grace it is not an alcohol and pork free zone like putrajaya.  biggrin.gif

Now with this announcement of this Islamic City nearby, I am thankful I didn't put my money in there.

Afterwards cyberjaya also declare alcohol and pork free zone like putrajaya then jialat.....
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QUOTE(Tsuto @ Jan 28 2015, 12:14 PM)
Those who want to involve political and racial issue should just go somewhere else. This is property thread. Not so sure why people keep coming in and complaining although they said they did not invest in cyberjaya... thought they should move on to other thread happily discuss where they invest in.

And maybe they did not even know where ssp is.

And going back to the topic, yes I have doubt PKNS can execute this project successfully.
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Only muslim will buy into this city. It's the muslim version of chinatown or little india. This is not about race, its about religion. If you are not muslim, you will be uncomfortable staying there. Imagine if there is a buddhist city or christian city.
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Basically it's like putrajaya - The place is developing well only with the financial supports from federal gov + PETRONAS.
For this SSP2 - I doubt it will success as planned.

QUOTE(ameliorate @ Jan 28 2015, 06:12 PM)
Only muslim will buy into this city. It's the muslim version of chinatown or little india. This is not about race, its about religion. If you are not muslim, you will be uncomfortable staying there. Imagine if there is a buddhist city or christian city.
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With all respect, I am sure non-muslim wont buy this project.
The only chance this project can be succeed is to sell 'affordable' price - just like another shah alam (not even classy like putrajaya) due to purchasing power.
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Lol everytime people associate Shah Alam with low appreciation, affordable house etc,

Glenmarie courts, gardens & Seksyen 7 has 20 mill plus bungalows. Setia Ecopark, KK hills, Bukit Jelutong, all of Glenmarie got 6 mill plus bungalows.

Klang, subang, cheras n all only got 1/2 real upper middle class address like Ambang botanic, masera bukit segar.

So don't look down on malay areas biggrin.gif

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non of the projects that you mentioned is "Islamic-theme"!
Go to survey, how many non-muslim will be interested to invest / stay in this SSP2?



QUOTE(Babizz @ Jan 28 2015, 07:20 PM)
Lol everytime people associate Shah Alam with low appreciation, affordable house etc, 

Glenmarie courts, gardens & Seksyen 7 has 20 mill plus bungalows. Setia Ecopark, KK hills, Bukit Jelutong, all of Glenmarie got 6 mill plus bungalows.

Klang, subang, cheras n all only got 1/2 real upper middle class address like Ambang botanic, masera bukit segar. 

So don't look down on malay areas  biggrin.gif
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Lol I can spot so many Islam haters in this thread.
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non of the projects that you mentioned is "Islamic-theme"!
Go to survey, how many non-muslim will be interested to invest / stay in this SSP2?
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Lol.. I think seksyen 7 is quite close the city centre. of cos not islamic theme la..

Only thing islamic theme is our dear Petronas twin towers smile.gif smile.gif smile.gif 100% occupancy n highest rental in Malaysia.

I still think this ssp2 won't make it
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I City at shah alam stand for islamic city also?
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No bro u r wrong.
Nothing wrong with the religion but only the politicians that abusing it for their own gain.


QUOTE(jeghui @ Jan 28 2015, 08:31 PM)
Lol I can spot so many Islam haters in this thread.
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I City at shah alam stand for islamic city also?
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No I city is the least islamic place in Shah Alam biggrin.gif biggrin.gif
They got special pork, alcohol, entertainment license. Thats why got Doubletree by Hilton or not hilton won't open if no alcohol la biggrin.gif

I city mall will succeed one drool.gif
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If this islamic city are so influence, not only cyberjaya are ban from non halal stuffs, whole sepang district will be ban because cyberjaya are within sepang district, SSP2 are also sepang...
dont be so narrow minded...
Probably within this Raudhah City its halal, but it doesnt apply to whole cyberjaya.. get a life man... not always think of something bad..
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Some time we just hav to ask our self do we respect other religions. I believe everyone will hav his own answer which only him self n their own god will know. Just a question would u visit mosque, church, tokong, temple or kuil?
Not to said anti islam, will a Muslim visit any above?
as a non muslim i do not anti any religion n I did visit all above.
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For cyberjaya vested buyers, nothing much they can do as this is not within their control


For potential buyers, you have a choice and if this is a concern, you should wait and see whether this will have impact on cyberjaya. While market may move up and down due to this development


IMO, forumners should be more objective in their postings. The quality of forumners in lowyat in property aspect imo is still years behind myrealestate.
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i heard HP n IBM firing more than 100k workers combined in 2014 n 2015.

Sibehjaya investors should be more worried about that
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i heard HP n IBM firing more than 100k workers combined in 2014 n 2015.

Sibehjaya investors should be more worried about that
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Bro Babizz, really this happen? Do you have more details on this?
IBM's new office in cyberjaya just recently completed and the building looks huge and nice.. thought they gonna hire more people... instead of firing...
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I support also, any rough idea on the housing prices? (sorry for the lame question, im pretty new in hartanah field)
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Confirm not cheap ... Nowadays all landed in cbj is 1m above, so... Hope this project won't cause any demonstration
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Do u guys realize that some of us here are muslims? Why make such harsh remarks?
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i heard HP n IBM firing more than 100k workers combined in 2014 n 2015.

Sibehjaya investors should be more worried about that
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don't worry all the mnc companies which they have just set up have made commitment to the local government they will on ly increase head counts by the year in return for the incentives they get..worst is that they remain the head counts ..basically all the mnc companies in cbj are growth center compare to their branch offices in overseas. we know this because we have frens working in mnc companies
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QUOTE(Clement1001 @ Jan 28 2015, 03:33 PM)
Islamic city, which means 100% bumi quota ? fantastic idea ~
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Firstly, I don't think it's for muslim only. Secondly, stereotyping 100% bumi quota is not right as I have friends who are chinese muslim, european muslim, south america muslim, etc.
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No bro u r wrong.
Nothing wrong with the religion but only the politicians that abusing it for their own gain.
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believe me when i say - I am rarely wrong in making statements.

Kindly read from beginning. what is this "beard man city" "tudung women city".

I have a beard and my wife is wearing tudung. Wrong?
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Bro Babizz, really this happen? Do you have more details on this?
IBM's new office in cyberjaya just recently completed and the building looks huge and nice.. thought they gonna hire more people... instead of firing...
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http://www.businessinsider.my/hp-executive...1/#.VMo61PldUSM
http://www.businessinsider.my/ibm-employee...1/#.VMo7APldUSM

IBMs one apparently 110k people but i dont think that bad la smile.gif Lol post the ibm pic pls.
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QUOTE(propertyMontKiara @ Jan 28 2015, 03:22 PM)
don't worry all the mnc companies which they have just set up have made commitment to the local government they will on ly increase head counts by the year in return for the incentives they get..worst is that they remain the head counts ..basically all the mnc companies in cbj are growth center compare to their branch offices in overseas. we know this because we have frens working in mnc companies
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Lol,

IBM Sibehjaya is a cost centre n not only profit generating ones get fired. Even shared service units wont be sparred cry.gif These kinda companies have been firing people for years. HP Spent 600 million firing people last year.

Sibeh might lose some expat tenants just like how KLCC is losing those O&G guys now. Ask KLCC investors smile.gif
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QUOTE(langstrasse @ Jan 28 2015, 07:15 AM)
This is the exact question in my mind - what would happen if another developer proposes another religious themes development (besides Islam), let's say somewhere in KL (maybe Rawang etc) where the whole the is built around another religion - will this be okay with everyone ?

Will there be protests? I'm pretty sure sales wouldn't be an issue.

Or Atheist City ? A-City for free thinking professionals and tech experts.
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Koret koret. ++like.
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Some time we just hav to ask our self do we respect other religions. I believe everyone will hav his own answer which only him self n their own god will know. Just a question would u visit mosque,  church,  tokong, temple or kuil?
Not to said anti islam, will a Muslim visit any above?
as a non muslim i do not anti any religion n I did visit all above.
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I have already visited tokong/temple/kuil

And I am a muslim

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http://www.vox.com/2014/10/6/6919841/the-hp-split-explained

HP campus in Cyberjaya which provides IT related services to their Corporate clients are doing ok...(read yourself the above news Why HPwants to split from not-profitable PC n Printer divisions..)


PC n Printer of HP are not performing well due to:
Tablets overtake PC n Printer(paperless) n competition from low cost PC manufacturers..

Cyberjaya HP will spare from the layoff of underperformed PC n Printer division...

QUOTE(Babizz @ Jan 29 2015, 08:52 AM)
http://www.businessinsider.my/hp-executive...1/#.VMo61PldUSM
http://www.businessinsider.my/ibm-employee...1/#.VMo7APldUSM

IBMs one apparently 110k people but i dont think that bad la  smile.gif Lol post the ibm pic pls.
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plenty of land and pork in PRC ... move out pls ...
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Mingyew bro - Maybe you are right.
1). if the project is so successful that spread into cyberjaya, more foreigner / investors will tend to buy which properties price boom.
2). If the project is not successful, cyberjaya remains as the vibrant yum-seng pork welcome city, current nice living environment also make it boom.

Note - Hahaha... Oh I think am too positive thinking? smile.gif
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Many bias people here...

& this still in PropertyTalk?

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I don't like all this Islamic City la, Christian City la.

Where is 1Malaysia?
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People fear what they don't know/understand and this is no exception. It's only a short piece of news with no details and people just simply jump into conclusions convenient to them.

What's wrong having a Islamic concept city? The area is only 215 hectare (approx 2 times Setia Eco Glades CBJ development of 108 hectare).
What they going to build in there is early education, medical, financial, commercial and higher education.
So I would imagine, Bank Islam, many halal shops/restaurants, Islamic University etc will be concentrated here. In my view it's a nice and unique one stop shop concept.
No bar/night club, Magnum/Toto shop or Bak Kut Teh - so what? We can spend less to gamble and get drunk and even go vegetarian. Heck these are also Buddhist teachings (refrain from gambling, alcohol and meat).

Those who cannot tahan - Dengkil is 10mins drive, Cyberjaya township is well established with MNCs and great mix of commercials and mall.
Furthermore Science Park2 is leasehold and this land is huge and struggling to develop (donkey years still Q Cell only). So see this as a catalyst for development which will spill over to Cyberjaya. As an investor I would welcome educational institutions and medical centers (no matter what religion it's based on)

Sorry for being blunt but it makes my annoyed that after so many years of independence and us condemning racist politicians, so many here are pots calling the kettle black!!


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QUOTE(Workofart @ Jan 30 2015, 05:48 PM)
I don't like all this Islamic City la, Christian City la.

Where is 1Malaysia?
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Exactly, we're already segregated by race. Now, they want to segregate by religion some more.

What is wrong with creating a 1Malaysia city where different race and religion stay? Granted, we're an islamic country but don't call us racist when we point out the obvious. Pot calling the kettle black indeed.
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QUOTE(propertyMontKiara @ Jan 28 2015, 06:02 PM)
you so brilliant in forseeing this will happen, but you couldn't forsee how cyberjaya's whole ecosystem will far outweigh the so called "cons" you are talking about? you are only seeing one side of things here..

Speaking of that, if you still want to stick your extremist thoughts of how Islamic city would bring down the property attractiveness, then can you explain why Dubai is so attractive from investment standpoints?

Unique city as such will only bring in more investments and attractions. Look, the Islamic city is built next to the most intelligent City in Malaysia, and not built in some outskirt area which is unknown to us.

And the point here is not that, you should learn to be more sensitive and respectful on other race/religions, and Im non-muslim.
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Dubai, Islamic? biggrin.gif

Really?

With all western expats there selling western financial products and eastern european whores freely available? biggrin.gif


If what you say is true, putrajaya, shah alam, kota bahru is booming already. Tell you what, why don't you invest there?

My point is Islamic cities tends to put restriction on haram activities which retard prop values. Hence any Islamic concept will just drive prop values down or stagnate it.

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QUOTE(Hammer2013 @ Jan 31 2015, 12:50 PM)
Dubai, Islamic?  biggrin.gif

Really?

With all western expats there selling western financial products and eastern european whores freely available?  biggrin.gif
If what you say is true, putrajaya, shah alam, kota bahru is booming already. Tell you what, why don't you invest there?

My point is Islamic cities tends to put restriction on haram activities which retard prop values. Hence any Islamic concept will just drive prop values down or stagnate it.
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And your point is? This is not even in cyberjaya.. it is only within its own development if they wana put in such restriction
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And your point is? This is not even in cyberjaya.. it is only within its own development if they wana put in such restriction
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Well, I made this comment when somebody said it will be in cyberjaya.

And you better hope that it is within their own development and not spread outside.
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Well, I made this comment when somebody said it will be in cyberjaya.

And you better hope that it is within their own development and not spread outside.
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Have u been to cyberjaya? There are already alot of chinese restaurant there. U think pr gov will ask them close shop?
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QUOTE(Hammer2013 @ Jan 31 2015, 12:50 PM)
Dubai, Islamic?  biggrin.gif

Really?

With all western expats there selling western financial products and eastern european whores freely available?  biggrin.gif
If what you say is true, putrajaya, shah alam, kota bahru is booming already. Tell you what, why don't you invest there?

My point is Islamic cities tends to put restriction on haram activities which retard prop values. Hence any Islamic concept will just drive prop values down or stagnate it.
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Looks like you love haram activities such as prostitution, drunk, drug, gambling, gangterism, etc at your neighborhood. Excellent!
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Looks like you love haram activities such as prostitution, drunk, drug, gambling, gangterism, etc at your neighborhood. Excellent!
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There's a difference between liking illegal activities and shoving one's religious values down one's throat.

know the difference.
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QUOTE(propertyMontKiara @ Jan 27 2015, 09:17 PM)
I am chinese first of all. i really despise ppl who are bringing pork into the living discussion and intend to stoke up racial issue. and i have NO freaking idea, why you base your decision solely on pork as a reason to its growths and standard of living. Would you die if you don't eat pork? No you won't

with your mindset, its best you live in jinjang and outskirt of the city. don't think we need low IQ people like you here in CBJ. smile.gif

So what if Cbj has a islamic sub-township within cbj?

All in all, if you have come to cyberjaya thread, we expect you to have an open minded discussion with also being respectful of others culture and religion.
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Agree. Everyone has their own preference. But we got to accept there are people looking for those food as well. We'll it is like those preferring organic food...Some like pubs...Some like plenty of mama. ..Some like halal food. Just don't discriminate . In fact we all can sit at the same table and eat between vegetarian , beef eating , port eater , people who eat halal food....wWe just don't eat other food but it should keep us away
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QUOTE(tikaram @ Jan 27 2015, 09:46 PM)
Wondering if one day we will have Hinduism City, Christian City, Buddhism City, Sikhism City, Judaism City, No Religion City?

Why create a township with religion on it?  doh.gif
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Agree. There are enough things separating people or human being. We need something that promotes togetherness.

I seriously don't think such a focused development will fly be coz with the recent events happening in our country. Don't get me wrong , I will say the same as long as it is a religious oriented development. It will just be more challenging to get too many people from the other religion to mix in

I simply don't like topics and things that divide people.
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QUOTE(Hammer2013 @ Feb 1 2015, 11:19 AM)
There's a difference between liking illegal activities and shoving one's religious values down one's throat.

know the difference.
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Fully agree. Non halal doesn't means all the illegal things. So don't just for the sake of arguing putting in these sort of points. a religious person doesn't means legal ....pplenty of those ended up in jail for various reason.
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Fully agree, non halal doesn't mean all the illegal things and pious person doesn't means legal. By the way, Haram is ONLY for muslim, which good as I don't wanna be with muslim neighboor who do haram things, which might be illegal.
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Don't care any name given for town or city...
Just make sure it is not become one of the dead town in the future...
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Let's not kid ourselves, any development based on a specify religion theme, with the exception of place of worship, is indirectly creating segregation. Even though there is no restriction on the religion of purchasers.

Anyway Malaysia is a so called "free" country, so it's up to the people to accept or reject it.
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Even BN knows abt 1Malaysia is good for the country I truly wonder what's inside the PKNS and selangor state PKR mind?


QUOTE(spydermind @ Feb 1 2015, 12:20 PM)
Agree. There are enough things separating people or human being.  We need something that promotes togetherness.

I seriously don't think such a focused development will fly be coz with the recent events happening in our country.  Don't get me wrong ,  I will say the same as long as it is a religious oriented development.  It will just be more challenging to get too many people from the other religion to mix in

I simply don't like topics and things that divide people.
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why no one see the real intention of the islamic city gimmick?? the purpose is just one, they want to attract more investment from pak arab .
Najib visit to us failed to bring google into cyber , failed to attract china MNC to come to malaysia...

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if really urbanization and development is associated with alcohol & all..i wonder why our first-world neighbour is having a second thought about it. lol!

http://www.thespiritsbusiness.com/2015/01/...crackdown-bill/
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QUOTE(diazzaid @ Feb 2 2015, 02:36 PM)
if really urbanization and development is associated with alcohol & all..i wonder why our first-world neighbour is having a second thought about it. lol!

http://www.thespiritsbusiness.com/2015/01/...crackdown-bill/
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This news is SPOT ON !!
even first world country started to be worried about it...
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As claimed in some of previous remark, this kind of resriction will retard prop value.
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QUOTE(wanted111who @ Feb 1 2015, 10:35 PM)
why no one see the real intention of the islamic city gimmick?? the purpose is just one, they want to attract more investment from pak arab .
Najib visit to us failed to bring google into cyber , failed to attract china MNC to come to malaysia...
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Give u one thumb up. Others so close minded didnt see this.
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Just saying. ..should we then fear of Xia Men university then?
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As i mentioned somewhere before, when come to investment, go KL. Selangor is just too dangerous since the new ruling that no foreigner could buy landed and min 2 million for condo any foreigner.

As in this city, u think the condo can fetch 2 million?

SELANGOR is now OUT for me

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QUOTE(myproblem @ Feb 2 2015, 08:43 PM)
As i mentioned somewhere before, when come to investment, go KL. Selangor is just too dangerous since the new ruling that no foreigner could buy landed and min 2 million for condo any foreigner.

As in this city, u think the condo can fetch 2 million?

SELANGOR is now OUT for me
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How many foreigner had bought kl property from u?
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Its not about buying from me. Its the concept. Never put your $ in an uncertain place. Just like will you put $ in Iraq Bank?
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QUOTE(wanted111who @ Feb 1 2015, 10:35 PM)
why no one see the real intention of the islamic city gimmick?? the purpose is just one, they want to attract more investment from pak arab .
Najib visit to us failed to bring google into cyber , failed to attract china MNC to come to malaysia...
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At least, he can bring real Panda into Malaysia...
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Today the Selangor govt can announce apa-apa concept, apa-apa rulling pertaining to foreign ownership. How can u be sure that 1 day they wont suka-suka say 50% RGPT for wholelife? or 100% tax on your second/3rd property?

I don't know man. The MB can suka-suka change, what else cannot happened in this boleh state?
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QUOTE(myproblem @ Feb 2 2015, 09:01 PM)
Today the Selangor govt can announce apa-apa concept, apa-apa rulling pertaining to foreign ownership. How can u be sure that 1 day they wont suka-suka say 50% RGPT for wholelife? or 100% tax on your second/3rd property?

I don't know man. The MB can suka-suka change, what else cannot happened in this boleh state?
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I think RPGT comes from Federal Ruling Govt?

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meaning RPGT apply to Selangor only? TAx apply to Selangor only? and KL are tax free?
Foreign purchase limit, strictly for selangor? KL foreigner can buy Pr1MA house?
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QUOTE(myproblem @ Feb 2 2015, 09:01 PM)
Today the Selangor govt can announce apa-apa concept, apa-apa rulling pertaining to foreign ownership. How can u be sure that 1 day they wont suka-suka say 50% RGPT for wholelife? or 100% tax on your second/3rd property?

I don't know man. The MB can suka-suka change, what else cannot happened in this boleh state?
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QUOTE(myproblem @ Feb 2 2015, 10:01 PM)
Today the Selangor govt can announce apa-apa concept, apa-apa rulling pertaining to foreign ownership. How can u be sure that 1 day they wont suka-suka say 50% RGPT for wholelife? or 100% tax on your second/3rd property?

I don't know man. The MB can suka-suka change, what else cannot happened in this boleh state?
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tax law pass by who? first read by who in oct?
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QUOTE(Tsuto @ Feb 2 2015, 08:15 PM)
Give u one thumb up. Others so close minded didnt see this.
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to be honest, i don't put it in a good way, it is very hard to earn money from those pak arab , through my experience dealing with them ,they are the most kiasu customer. Everything need to be cheap and demand is so unreasonable .

Edited - they are filthy rich yes , but unlike us , they always need us to justify every single cent we earn from them and always expect something from it.

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QUOTE(wanted111who @ Feb 3 2015, 09:49 AM)
to be honest, i don't put it in a good way, it is very hard to earn money from those pak arab , through my experience dealing with them ,they are the most kiasu customer. Everything need to be cheap and demand is so unreasonable .

Edited - they are filthy rich yes , but unlike us , they always need us to justify every single cent we earn from them and always expect something from it.
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Yes of course.. as a businessman they should... thats why in my earlier post I also said this project is not easy to be successful... unless it is unique that can attract their attention


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Its not about buying from me. Its the concept. Never put your $ in an uncertain place. Just like will you put $ in Iraq Bank?
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LOL you didn't get my point... I am trying to tell u.. how many seller buying property from u is foreigner? If the % is low, why u worry?
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QUOTE(myproblem @ Feb 2 2015, 09:01 PM)
Today the Selangor govt can announce apa-apa concept, apa-apa rulling pertaining to foreign ownership. How can u be sure that 1 day they wont suka-suka say 50% RGPT for wholelife? or 100% tax on your second/3rd property?

I don't know man. The MB can suka-suka change, what else cannot happened in this boleh state?
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Now I know why... the concept which is wrong is in your mind LOL
U talk like a person from a particular party...
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QUOTE(danielmckey @ Feb 2 2015, 09:04 PM)
I think RPGT comes from Federal Ruling Govt?
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Correct me if i am wrong. The state govt can impose its own RGPT if they wanted it. Of course they can brand it any name they like. Any state govt can also impose additional stamp duty as and when they like it. Nothing u can do about.

Selangor had imposed special ruling (e.g. 2 mil for condo for foreigner) which means they have the tendency to repeat it again in the future.

It is not about how many foreigner will buy, it is putting a FULL-STOP to foreigner is the scary part. When come to investment, i personally do not wish to see any ruling that potentially chase away foreigner not even 1%. Once foreigner delete Selangor in their radar, they will very likely delete it for very long time.

When foreigner invest in a country, they most probably will get advise from Consultant Firm and purchase decision are based on what the consultant recommendation. For a consultant is easy and do not wish to take too much risk. The consultant may just say 1 word. BUY in other part other than this or that state because of special ruling that not in favor to foreigner. Then that is it, it something forever or negative impact will last for very long time.

And yes, its my problem. Do as u like.

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QUOTE(Tsuto @ Feb 3 2015, 10:16 AM)
Now I know why... the concept which is wrong is in your mind LOL
U talk like a person from a particular party...
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I am talking based on an investor perspective.
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QUOTE(myproblem @ Feb 3 2015, 11:58 AM)
Correct me if i am wrong. The state govt can impose its own RGPT if they wanted it. Of course they can brand it any name they like. Any state govt can also impose additional stamp duty as and when they like it. Nothing u can do about.

Selangor had imposed special ruling (e.g. 2 mil for condo for foreigner) which means they have the tendency to repeat it again in the future.

It is not about how many foreigner will buy, it is putting a FULL-STOP to foreigner is the scary part. When come to investment, i personally do not wish to see any ruling that potentially chase away foreigner not even 1%. Once foreigner delete Selangor in their radar, they will very likely delete it for very long time.

When foreigner invest in a country, they most probably will get advise from Consultant Firm and purchase decision are based on what the consultant recommendation. For a consultant is easy and do not wish to take too much risk. The consultant may just say 1 word. BUY in other part other than this or that state because of special ruling that not in favor to foreigner. Then that is it, it something forever or negative impact will last for very long time.

And yes, its my problem. Do as u like.

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What if rich arab.....buy all the houses.... and left nil balance for you and me?

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Arab won't do that. They like to share
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House is build for own stay, not for trading or investment!
House is build for local, not for foreigners. Foreigners can invest based on their own financial capability, not to compete with local for affordable houses.
Each project come with unique concept, u like it then u are welcomed to join the community. U don't like, please go elsewhere. Noboday point gun at u ask u to follow. Afterall, u are free to make ur own decisions.
BTW, not all concepts are good. So, choose one u suit most! ;-)

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QUOTE(JamesPond @ Feb 3 2015, 12:13 PM)
Arab won't do that. They like to share
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Arab is just an example.....replace arab with Russia....ok?.....you get the point or not?

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Not many Russian here. But potentially replace by penangite
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QUOTE(tmdsad @ Feb 3 2015, 12:06 PM)
What if rich arab.....buy all the  houses.... and left  nil balance for you and me?
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Arab or foreigner cannot and not allowed to by landed in Selangor.
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No such thing
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QUOTE(CK15 @ Feb 3 2015, 12:14 PM)
House is build for own stay, not for trading or investment!
House is build for local, not for foreigners. Foreigners can invest based on their own financial  capability, not to compete with local for affordable houses.
Each project come with unique concept, u like it then u are welcomed to join the community. U don't like, please go elsewhere. Noboday point gun at u ask u to follow. Afterall, u are free to make ur own decisions.
BTW, not all concepts are good. So, choose one u suit most! ;-)
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I am not sure if you are referring to my earlier remark. If yes, please read carefully what i said. I said "FOR ME" and i am merely expressing my point based on my view and believe and i never ask any 1 here to follow my personal decision nor i pointed any of your views are incorrect. In fact, all decisions or remarks are personal.

So i am not sure why so many got agitated for expressing my own view.


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Foreigners are also not allowed to purchase landed properties (unless it is in a gated community with Landed Strata title), or those sold by public auction and no more than 10% of non-Bumiputera units can be sold to foreigners under the new guidelines.
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Not many Russian here. But potentially replace by penangite
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You still dont get my point....doh.gif
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Nobody really get you.from Saudi to Russia. From Penang to KK
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Why so many Penang relocate to central? I afraid they might monopoly central and charge 50 cents to us for not ordering drinks
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bumping old thread. Saw Raudhah City launching ...2sty ..
price tag 1mil+....
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bumping old thread. Saw Raudhah City launching ...2sty ..
price tag 1mil+....
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lol... islamic city.
when ppl comment about islamic thing in forum kena warining straight, but islamic city township in cyberjaya is a free thread. rclxms.gif rclxms.gif rclxms.gif rclxms.gif rclxms.gif rclxms.gif
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Mahalnya 1 million 😵
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Not sure if will boost rental rate in cyberjaya
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Mahalnya 1 million 😵
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I went to the showhouse lastweek. 1.1mil for 2 story intermediate unit. 2000++sqft, not remember exact. 2.1mil for 3 story corner. Too expensive for me, but many unit sold. Not sute how much left. They selling the islamic concept neighborhood.
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QUOTE(agigas @ Apr 20 2019, 10:04 PM)
I went to the showhouse lastweek. 1.1mil for 2 story intermediate unit. 2000++sqft, not remember exact.  2.1mil for 3 story corner. Too expensive for me, but many unit sold. Not sute how much left. They selling the islamic concept neighborhood.
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mind sharing what da faq is islamic concept neighbourhood?

means those guilty of stealing inside neighbourhood will get chopped off hand?

and those find khalwat will get stoned to death? cry.gif cry.gif cry.gif cry.gif
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QUOTE(xl2778 @ Jan 27 2015, 09:09 AM)
SHAH ALAM, Jan 25 — Perbadanan Kemajuan Negeri Selangor (PKNS) today signed a memorandum of understanding (MOU) with Raudhah City Sdn Bhd to develop a township, with a gross development value of RM12.3 billion, in Taman Sains Selangor 2, Cyberjaya.

PKNS general manager, Azlan Md Alifiah, said the 215.8-hectare mixed development project, would be based on ‘Islamic City’ concept.

“The corporation is honoured to team up with developer, Raudhah City, to undertake the the urban ‘Islamic City’ development project, which is the first in the world,” Azlan said after the ceremony to sign the MOU here today.

Azlan sign for MOU and Raudhah City was represented by its executive chairman, Datuk Sri Syed Zainal Abidin Syed Mohamed Tahir.

Also present was Selangor Mentri Besar, Mohamed Azmin Ali. Azlan said the project was expected to start in the middle of the year. “It will be developed in stages and involves four clusters — early education based on Islamic Montessori method; tertiary education and medical tourism; halal contents and creative multimedia; and, financial and commercial,” he said. — Bernama - See more at: http://m.themalaymailonline.com/money/arti...h.B4jv5Ba5.dpuf
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The title a bit misleading here. PKNS Selangor Science Park 2 SSP2 is not part of Cyberjaya and it is leasehold rather freehold land in cyberjaya though it is right besides cyberjaya. Whole leasehold land there owned PKNS and few projs were developed there like Vega etc which is at snail pace without much activities...angry bird park supposed to be there last time. Now it rebranded it as Cyber Valley.

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So years down the road, how is cyber doing now. How does rhaudah impact cyber.
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QUOTE(akh2920 @ Jan 28 2015, 03:49 PM)
Yes booming... INTENTIONALLY developed... by a huge fund poured on it (i think no need to specify the source here). Bangi too, but a bit better than Putrajaya thanks to UKM and neighbour Kajang... They need events like hot air balloon and flower exhibitions to attract temporary crowds.

Business centers like Subang Jaya dont even need special funds, and heck, it was not even expected to grow so fast.

I am not saying that being congested is good, but it somehow shows how willing is people to live or do business there. Get the idea?

By the way, I have a same wish like urs. Hope this project wont be a development of radicalism and extremism.
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Like it or not, money will keep pouring in putrajaya, 1 of the reason why I choose cyberjaya. Not surprising really. They can do that to kl in the past, they can do that to putrajaya in the future.

Glad that ecrl will stop in putrajaya, hope they give us tram too and pour few more billion worth of infrastructures. Oh yes, 5g too.

And money talks, 12 billions is alot of money. Happy that cyberjaya sandwhich between putrajaya + SSP2. Which got "money package" poured in.

Read that raudah city focus on mixed mode development and focusing on education, will have theme park, commercial, hotel, healthcare and Korean also will invest in ssp2.

I hope it takes off as I was really dissapointed that ssp2 is still barren land. The concept look nice.

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Like it or not, money will keep pouring in putrajaya, 1 of the reason why I choose cyberjaya. Not surprising really. They can do that to kl in the past, they can do that to putrajaya in the future.

Glad that ecrl will stop in putrajaya, hope they give us tram too and pour few more billion worth of infrastructures. Oh yes, 5g too.

And money talks, 12 billions is alot of money. Happy that cyberjaya sandwhich between putrajaya + SSP2. Which got "money package" poured in.

Read that raudah city focus on mixed mode development and focusing on education, will have theme park, commercial, hotel, healthcare and Korean also will invest in ssp2.

I hope it takes off as I was really dissapointed that ssp2 is still barren land. The concept look nice.

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ar u a muslim or non muslim. if non ar u ken to have a muslim themed city next door?
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ar u a muslim or non muslim. if non ar u ken to have a muslim themed city next door?
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I'm none, I'm atheist. let's be honest, who are we kidding? It's all just gimmick. Putrajaya can be muslim theme city if it want to. Reason I'm in cyberjaya is because of putrajaya. Gov will keep pouring money there.

12 billion GDV is good. Talk about muslim, we are living in Muslim majority country anyways. Which area in KL don't have muslim? And I don't think we will have separate laws in SSP2. It's still Malaysia.

What about you? How do you see it? I guessed you're a muslim yourself.

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QUOTE(wanted111who @ May 5 2019, 06:13 PM)
I'm none, I'm atheist. let's be honest, who are we kidding? It's all just gimmick. Putrajaya can be muslim theme city if it want to. Reason I'm in cyberjaya is because of putrajaya. Gov will keep pouring money there.

12 billion GDV is good. Talk about muslim, we are living in Muslim majority country anyways. Which area in KL don't have muslim? And I don't think we will have separate laws in SSP2.  It's still Malaysia.

What about you? How do you see it? I guessed you're a muslim yourself.
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doesnt matter for me, the term is very loosely coined. But would love to have my prop appreciating in long trm, so not sure how this will impact cyberjaya. example prop is actual Shah Alam doesnt appreciate due to same reason
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QUOTE(azmanadnan @ May 5 2019, 06:17 PM)
doesnt matter for me, the term is very loosely coined. But would love to have my prop appreciating in long trm, so not sure how this will impact cyberjaya. example prop is actual Shah Alam doesnt appreciate due to same reason
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I see where you coming from, anywhere without businesses catalyst will be dead, but will not say so about putrajaya. I visited ioi putrajaya and witness for myself the spending power of the folk there.

And I believe in natural selection, I mean years ago we have Islamic air (rayani air) . It went bankrupt. If Islamic themed city isn't doing well, it will cease to exist and left just the name. Many muslim in town is secular, I doubt that the concept will be anything but extreme. Just hope not too much pak arab buying there.

Arab immigrant is the last thing I hope not coming this area. Because they are the most uncivilized bunch. Can fight with prc.

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QUOTE(wanted111who @ May 5 2019, 06:29 PM)
I see where you coming from, anywhere without businesses catalyst will be dead, but will not say so about putrajaya. I visited ioi putrajaya and witness for myself the spending power of the folk there.

And I believe in natural selection, I mean years ago we have Islamic air (rayani air) . It went bankrupt. If Islamic themed city isn't doing well, it will cease to exist and left just the name. Many muslim in town is secular, I doubt that the concept will be anything but extreme. Just hope not too much pak arab buying there.

Arab immigrant is the last thing I hope not coming this area. Because they are the most uncivilized bunch. Can fight with prc.
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I Have seen civilised PRC. In Setia Eco Glades there is a bunch of elite PRC, those that has no issue buying few million ringgit houses cash, and they are very decent people.
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I Have seen civilised PRC. In Setia Eco Glades there is a bunch of elite PRC, those that has no issue buying few million ringgit houses cash, and they are very decent people.
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I agree that there are some civilized one amongst them. Especially the elite PRC. But for Arab, the more elite they are, the worst . Hopefully we get more civilized people and not trying to turn our country into a shithole that they trying to escape from.

Happens in the west.
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I agree that there are some civilized one amongst them. Especially the elite PRC. But for Arab, the more elite they are, the worst . Hopefully we get more civilized people and not trying to turn our country into a shithole that they trying to escape from.

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arab can be...I dont know the word, but the rich one , I dont think they gonna look up to us, I encountered them before they can literally treat u like slaves
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arab can be...I dont know the word, but the rich one , I dont think they gonna look up to us, I encountered them before they can literally treat u like slaves
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I plan to buy house in Raudhah City bcoz this is the first Islamic City in the world and too many facilities surrounding township including mosque, hospital, education center etc. 1M - 2M is worth it to attract foreigner to buy oso. If you understand history of Malacca, for 500 hundred thousand years Malay can live together with other races around the world like Chinese, Indian, Arab, and Portugis. Look at our strategic geopolitics in Malacca Straits.
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I plan to buy house in Raudhah City bcoz this is the first Islamic City in the world and too many facilities surrounding township including mosque, hospital, education center etc. 1M - 2M is worth it to attract foreigner to buy oso. If you understand history of Malacca, for 500 hundred thousand years Malay can live together with other races around the world like Chinese, Indian, Arab, and Portugis. Look at our strategic geopolitics in Malacca Straits.
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Better make it like dubai. What is this nonsense?
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im not really confident on brainy bunch reputation, it seems they raiding on islamic concept to get people to invest. It just one of their marketing plan since their education business are going downhill. Need more money for their campus so they come out with this development.
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AFTER launching an “Islamic concept” housing development, the founder of Raudhah City Sdn Bhd is now setting his sights on a shopping centre aimed at boosting business for Malay-Muslim retailers and entrepreneurs.

Raudhah City CEO Mohd Fadzil Hashim said Malakat Mall, which will open near the Raudhah City development in Cyberjaya, will be a market hub for all sorts of Muslim products

https://www.themalaysianinsight.com/s/18211...medium=facebook,
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This development non bumi can buy?
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Camelia 3-StryLink 6bed+6bath Built-Up (Sq.ft.) 3796.00 RM1,890,000
Begonia 2-StryLink 5bed+5bath Built-Up (Sq.ft.) 2596.00 RM1,310,000
Petunia 2-StryLink 5bed+5bath Built-Up (Sq.ft.) 2550.00 RM1,280,000
Dahlia 2-StryLink 5bed+5bath Built-Up (Sq.ft.) 2227.00 RM1,150,000
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What happening to Malaysia...
Everything need related to religion.. to sell products & services....


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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Sep 9 2019, 11:00 AM)
Damn..
What happening to Malaysia...
Everything need related to religion.. to sell products & services....
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Many try to be holier than thou.
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Be more Arab than those Arab people....
Really funny actually looking at the situation..
Yet many fall for it big time...

I wonder how much sold?
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good.. & nice place.
the concept & community is good too

but the price is wowww..
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Not sure but personally I find the concept and price "funny"...


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good.. & nice place.
the concept & community is good too

but the price is wowww..
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Ya location is ok. However it’s misleading to say its cyber as it is not in cyberjaya.
And not sure if next trend will be Muslims having their own cities and the non believers having their own cities, like having the next non Muslim concept city
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Well even with such pricing..
I'm sure some would fall for the concept....
Endless Possibilities 😁
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QUOTE(azmanadnan @ Sep 9 2019, 01:46 PM)
Ya location is ok. However it’s misleading to say its cyber as it is not in cyberjaya.
And not sure if next trend will be Muslims having their own cities and the non believers having their own cities, like having the next non Muslim concept city
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Actually you are correct. It is not in Cyberjaya, it is in Selangor Cyber Valley.
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QUOTE(bob @ Sep 9 2019, 12:19 PM)
good.. & nice place.
the concept & community is good too

but the price is wowww..
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Talk about affordability, seems like the pricing is meant for the upper echelon of society. With our GDI level, I wonder how many can really afford living in this township. Surprise me 🤭
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Actually you are correct. It is not in Cyberjaya, it is in Selangor Cyber Valley.
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yupe but many ppl including a few here actually thought its cyberjaya due to the developer themselves who ride on cyberjaya name
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yupe but many ppl including a few here actually thought its cyberjaya due to the developer themselves who ride on cyberjaya name
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What to say. Misleading name used for their marketing purposes. Only in Malaysia!
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This development non bumi can buy?
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can buy.. question is who want to buy...
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can buy.. question is who want to buy...
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Auction price of bumi units tend to be cheaper than non bumi units. By restricting ownership, subsale demand will be lower.
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what nonsense is this, this is simply segretion of population by religion!! how does this contribute to a more inclusive, diversified society?

what if Islamic City, Christian Town, Buddhist/ Indian Taman?.... beware what this might lead to if you start creating walls among societies...

How can the current PH government allow this to happen? Dr M... u seeing this?


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QUOTE(kartana @ Sep 11 2019, 09:58 AM)
what nonsense is this, this is simply segretion of  population by religion!! how does this contribute to a more inclusive, diversified society?

what if Islamic City, Christian Town, Buddhist/ Indian Taman?.... beware what this might lead to if you start creating walls among societies...

How can the current PH government allow this  to happen? Dr M... u seeing this?
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I think this Islamic City will have their own niche consumers. Would sell very well to those who would like an Islamic environment. Consumers can be Muslims or non-Muslims.

It is like vernacular schools where any races can enter and study.
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Not unless you are a muslim. Don't think Non's are welcomed to live there as it is clearly stated "Islamic City"
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There are two non-muslim buyers of Raudah City. No restriction by developer on buyer’s faith as their main objective is to sell houses.

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QUOTE(kartana @ Sep 11 2019, 09:58 AM)
what nonsense is this, this is simply segretion of  population by religion!! how does this contribute to a more inclusive, diversified society?

what if Islamic City, Christian Town, Buddhist/ Indian Taman?.... beware what this might lead to if you start creating walls among societies...

How can the current PH government allow this  to happen? Dr M... u seeing this?
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The core product is a home. The home itself is a tangible, soulless product.

The marketing message is targeting a middle-high income muslim upgrader as the home prices there are all above RM1mil.

Also, no restriction by developer if you are non-muslim and wish to buy there.
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yupe but many ppl including a few here actually thought its cyberjaya due to the developer themselves who ride on cyberjaya name
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The development is one road away from Cyberjaya, so actually not that wrong to ride on Cyberjaya’s name to market the properties The residents there will eventually be driving/riding/walking into Cyberjaya very often for various reasons.

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QUOTE(Xaser_3 @ Sep 11 2019, 09:27 AM)
Not unless you are a muslim. Don't think Non's are welcomed to live there as it is clearly stated "Islamic City"
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Read this:
https://www.facebook.com/288614184616730/po...16738688470934/

And recently got ads also they welcome non muslim to buy a house there...


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QUOTE(mingyew @ Sep 11 2019, 11:11 AM)
Read this:
https://www.facebook.com/288614184616730/po...16738688470934/

And recently got ads also they welcome non muslim to buy a house there...
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Thanks for highlighting this. Recent ads could also means sales are poor that the developers are forced to open up the units to buyers of different faiths. Statistically, would one consider 2 buyers of different faith out of the many a success?
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no matter how.. no non would like to buy in facts.
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no matter how.. no non would like to buy in facts.
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My thoughts are exactly similar. Just imagine the sub sale value when trying to dispose of it in future.
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no matter how.. no non would like to buy in facts.
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U really read my mind 😁

No way I would stay place like that....

No muhhibah at all.. with restrictions... Hell No ..
I don't support such thing....
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Unsure of the concept. I don't understand why does the developer want to limit themselves in the first place. Money is money regardless of who spends it.

I'm a muslim, not the most learned of course, but knowledgeable enough to know that to stop at the red light is Islamic, to love the neighbour (regardless of creed/race/etc) is Islamic, to keep clean is Islamic - all without the tag. You get the drift.

I have this impression that some people are more concerned with the tags and labels, and worry less about the spirit and principles behind the understanding of the said labels.
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QUOTE(Latacc @ Sep 11 2019, 06:16 PM)
Unsure of the concept.  I don't understand why does the developer want to limit themselves in the first place.  Money is money regardless of who spends it.

I'm a muslim, not the most learned of course, but knowledgeable enough to know that to stop at the red light is Islamic, to love the neighbour (regardless of creed/race/etc) is Islamic, to keep clean is Islamic - all without the tag.  You get the drift.

I have this impression that some people are more concerned with the tags and labels, and worry less about the spirit and principles behind the understanding of the said labels.
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Well said there my friend. People are concerned with the tags and labels created by those out to make money and profit from these groups.
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Super expemssive. Upper class neighbour hood.
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Islam is architecture Is nice?
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QUOTE(DinKnight @ Sep 11 2019, 10:39 AM)
The development is one road away from Cyberjaya, so actually not that wrong to ride on Cyberjaya’s name to market the properties  The residents there will eventually be driving/riding/walking into Cyberjaya very often for various reasons.
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Is it not cyberjaya. Unless you are ashamed of your own location. Cyberjaya is 1 road away from puchong but none of cyberian will say they r from puchong what does that tell you.
The exact location is selangor science park 2

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QUOTE(kartana @ Sep 11 2019, 09:58 AM)
what nonsense is this, this is simply segretion of  population by religion!! how does this contribute to a more inclusive, diversified society?

what if Islamic City, Christian Town, Buddhist/ Indian Taman?.... beware what this might lead to if you start creating walls among societies...

How can the current PH government allow this  to happen? Dr M... u seeing this?
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Not a good precedent. But then there is no law to prevent segregation, so I think developers are allowed to do that in the future
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Not a good precedent.  But then there is no law to prevent segregation,  so I think developers are allowed to do that in the future
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i doubt so, try to create a Buddhist / Christian town? I assure you the "NGOs & Politicians" will come out and create chaos. 100%

I am so dissapointed with Malaysian politician, in order to gain power they use race/religion to get vote, to eliminate others, when everyone else in the world is promoting peace and condemn racist, Malaysia is doing opposite.

Can't we live in peace among each other?
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There are two non-muslim buyers of Raudah City. No restriction by developer on buyer’s faith as their main objective is to sell houses.
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Huh seriously..
Have 2 non Muslim buy??
Wow just wow 😮😲
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QUOTE(azmanadnan @ Sep 14 2019, 08:56 AM)
Is it not cyberjaya. Unless you are ashamed of your own location.  Cyberjaya is 1 road away from puchong but none of cyberian will say they r from puchong what does that tell you.
The exact location is selangor science park 2
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Not disputing the fact that it is not in Cyberjaya.

What I am saying that there is no harm for the developer to market its proximity to Cyberjaya as a selling point, due to the more well known name. Developer needs to attract buyers, so need to leverage on CJ's name.

It's like many developers marketing their projects in KL North instead of the actual area the project is in (Selayang).
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QUOTE(DinKnight @ Sep 14 2019, 06:09 PM)
Not disputing the fact that it is not in Cyberjaya.

What I am saying that there is no harm for the developer to market its proximity to Cyberjaya as a selling point, due to the more well known name. Developer needs to attract buyers, so need to leverage on CJ's name.

It's like many developers marketing their projects in KL North instead of the actual area the project is in (Selayang).
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It's ok if they say its beside cyberjaya but they actually say it's in cyberjaya, that's false advertising actually.
Many developments will add the word south, west behind population places but this development just pakai other ppls name
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QUOTE(FirstNoob @ Sep 14 2019, 08:54 AM)
i doubt so, try to create a Buddhist / Christian town? I assure you the "NGOs & Politicians" will come out and create chaos. 100%

I am so dissapointed with Malaysian politician, in order to gain power they use race/religion to get vote, to eliminate others, when everyone else in the world is promoting peace and condemn racist, Malaysia is doing opposite.

Can't we live in peace among each other?
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and also boy-boy video.. if you get my meaning
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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Sep 14 2019, 10:30 AM)
Huh seriously..
Have 2 non Muslim buy??
Wow just wow 😮😲
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You are not alone. That makes two of us. I am wondering if it is a publicity stunt by the developers to garner non's confidence to buy their property.
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You are not alone. That makes two of us. I am wondering if it is a publicity stunt by the developers to garner non's confidence to buy their property.
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Have my doubt about that too....
Let's see how far can they go with such concept....
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Have my doubt about that too....
Let's see how far can they go with such concept....
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I am willing to wager not very far, concept being one but also the timing of the property bubble, market glut and economic recession knocking on our shores.
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I am willing to wager not very far, concept being one but also the timing of the property bubble, market glut and economic recession knocking on our shores.
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Maybe because of desperation...
They use religion as marketing tool..
U know it's seems to sell well nowadays.... Many water fish around even pricing is high side...
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am disappointed with authority giving approval for such kind of project at what... hundreds of millions of profit? such sentiment can go very deep and difficult to unwind.. and surely cause a tear to the delicate social fabric of this country... wait till it caused the country to go into social or racial unrest... for sure gdp dive and country go backwards at least 10 years...


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QUOTE(kartana @ Sep 18 2019, 10:52 AM)
am disappointed with authority giving approval for such kind of project at what... hundreds of millions of profit? such sentiment can go very deep and difficult to unwind.. and surely cause a tear to the delicate social fabric of this country... wait till it caused the country to go into social or racial unrest... for sure gdp dive and country go backwards at least 10 years...
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MY is blessed that our society culture is not one that easily takes to the streets over these kind of issues, hence need not worry much about the social or racial unrest. Also malaysians easily forget a current affair or hot topic. After a while, everything just goes cold and life move on as usual. No doubt, due to theatrics like these that cause the country to regress and erode foreign investor confidence.
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QUOTE(mingyew @ Sep 11 2019, 11:11 AM)
Read this:
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And recently got ads also they welcome non muslim to buy a house there...
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Any non Muslim buyer for this city of peace and love?
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Any non Muslim buyer for this city of peace and love?
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Seems there's 2 non Muslim buyers for this project 😅

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may be get more non-muslim buyer
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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Sep 18 2019, 02:22 PM)
Seems there's 2 non Muslim buyers for this project 😅
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Haha who is it... Who ?someone we kjnow here?
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Haha who is it... Who ?someone we kjnow here?
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Don't think so..
My observation.. Many here are against the concept...
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Based on paper and marketing advert is grade A. In reality, could be far from it's illustration.
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many basher here but do u know what is islamic concept ? then why non muslim buy house must have good fengshui and no 4 floor ?
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many basher here but do u know what is islamic concept ? then why non muslim buy house must have good fengshui and no 4 floor ?
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I believe that is called cultural difference. Another is termed superstitious believe.
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QUOTE(kausar @ Sep 19 2019, 10:13 AM)
many basher here but do u know what is islamic concept ? then why non muslim buy house must have good fengshui and no 4 floor ?
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Non Muslim?
Hahahhaha... Get your facts right okay...
Not all... And its not including Indians & others minority non Muslim which don't give damn about it...




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QUOTE(ryan_hustler @ Nov 8 2019, 07:50 AM)
Cant have dog, cant have party with alcohol, cant have religious function, cant put cross on door or mercun papan for cny or christmas tree decor. This is not islam anyway, its malaysian malay extremism and its happening everyday anyway. Imagine now all the bigots are grouped together in a city.

Anyway you think buying a property for rm1.5mil its gonna appreciate significantly in the next 10 years? For this price can get landed in hartamas with rental roi of minimum 8%
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Expected the capital appreciation for this kinda property/development is not doing to double or appreciate much, definitely not the next 10 years. Why even bother unless the buyer wants to be part of the religious statistic adhering to the rules and regulations set forth by the developer.
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islamic architecture + malay culture would be a good combinations. in fact the malay kampung house is quite nice.
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post Nov 8 2019, 08:46 AM

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Big red flag. As an investor, you don’t want this type of restriction. There is a reason why the best performing property class are those full with MNC expats.
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It's ok, eventually will flop and new marketing strategy approach will be attempted by the developers. I.e "Welcome to the most tolerant neighborhood".
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QUOTE(kimchi rider @ Nov 8 2019, 08:54 AM)
It's ok, eventually will flop and new marketing strategy approach will be attempted by the developers. I.e "Welcome to the most tolerant neighborhood".
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Typical and nothing new. When you can't kick the ball into the goal post, just shift the goal post to an ideal position where the ball can enter. In the end also fail to score 😅
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QUOTE(Xaser_3 @ Nov 8 2019, 08:22 AM)
Expected the capital appreciation for this kinda property/development is not doing to double or appreciate much, definitely not the next 10 years. Why even bother unless the buyer wants to be part of the religious statistic adhering to the rules and regulations set forth by the developer.
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Spot on..
Those who bought it needed to think carefully...
If u for long term & die here.. then okay. Just give to children later.. but if u intend to sell like next 10year or so.. be prepared...
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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Nov 8 2019, 11:25 AM)
Spot on..
Those who bought it needed to think carefully...
If u for long term & die here.. then okay. Just give to children later.. but if u intend to sell like next 10year or so.. be prepared...
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Totally agree with the blunt truth about "long term & die here". It's might sounds crude but that is the reality of things if one decides to commit into buying a property in this development.
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QUOTE(Xaser_3 @ Nov 8 2019, 12:12 PM)
Totally agree with the blunt truth about "long term & die here". It's might sounds crude but that is the reality of things if one decides to commit into buying a property in this development.
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But I observed one trends...

There people who bought property in KV won't stay forever.. until work time only..

After retirement.. all balik kampung... Home state...
Build one big mansion with don't know how many endless rooms / bathroom 🤣

Correct me if I'm wrong 😉
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"holier than thou" living concept is nothing new e.g shah alam, putrajaya. How much price could appreciate is on record.
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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Nov 8 2019, 12:24 PM)
"holier than thou" living concept is nothing new e.g shah alam, putrajaya. How much price could appreciate is on record.
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U mean the ban on alcohol, pork & dogs?

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Nov 8 2019, 12:16 PM)
But I observed one trends...

There people who bought property in KV won't stay forever.. until work time only..

After retirement.. all balik kampung... Home state...
Build one big mansion with don't know how many endless rooms / bathroom 🤣

Correct me if I'm wrong 😉
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You are absolutely not wrong about this. Post retirement, not many people want to continue living in the city or urban areas. Most prefer the suburbs or smaller towns with land and less density. But lately, there is a new trend amongst the elderly group. They prefer to sell off their big landed property and move to a super condo or medium sized condo, single floored or single storey houses (which is very rare these days)
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so basically its a modern kampung la right?
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QUOTE(Xaser_3 @ Nov 8 2019, 01:57 PM)
You are absolutely not wrong about this. Post retirement, not many people want to continue living in the city or urban areas. Most prefer the suburbs or smaller towns with land and less density. But lately, there is a new trend amongst the elderly group. They prefer to sell off their big landed property and move to a super condo or medium sized condo, single floored or single storey houses (which is very rare these days)
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Yup. Realized the new trend of moving into low density condo...
Security is one of the reason.. while easy maintenance too...
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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Nov 8 2019, 02:14 PM)
Yup. Realized the new trend of moving into low density condo...
Security is one of the reason.. while easy maintenance too...
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Security and maintenance is the key priority especially when they are retired. The hassle of climbing up the steps to the 1st floor is another.
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QUOTE(DinKnight @ Sep 9 2019, 06:01 PM)
Actually you are correct. It is not in Cyberjaya, it is in Selangor Cyber Valley.
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If you follow postcode and address, it is still _____________,Selangor Cyber Valley, 63000 Cyberjaya, Selangor.
While Cybersouth is not Cyberjaya, it's actually Dengkil.
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QUOTE(stopandroll @ Nov 8 2019, 02:31 PM)
If you follow postcode and address, it is still _____________,Selangor Cyber Valley, 63000 Cyberjaya, Selangor.
While Cybersouth is not Cyberjaya, it's actually Dengkil.
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LOLz......yes it is very misleading if one doesn't take a second or closer look at it.
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If you mass market a product base on race and religion, expect to take risk 3 fold on your investment.
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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Nov 8 2019, 12:16 PM)
But I observed one trends...

There people who bought property in KV won't stay forever.. until work time only..

After retirement.. all balik kampung... Home state...
Build one big mansion with don't know how many endless rooms / bathroom 🤣

Correct me if I'm wrong 😉
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QUOTE(Xaser_3 @ Nov 8 2019, 01:57 PM)
You are absolutely not wrong about this. Post retirement, not many people want to continue living in the city or urban areas. Most prefer the suburbs or smaller towns with land and less density. But lately, there is a new trend amongst the elderly group. They prefer to sell off their big landed property and move to a super condo or medium sized condo, single floored or single storey houses (which is very rare these days)
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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Nov 8 2019, 02:14 PM)
Yup. Realized the new trend of moving into low density condo...
Security is one of the reason.. while easy maintenance too...
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Retiree income is substantially lower. With less than 4% of adults in this country have over us$100k net worth and most of their assets is their primary home. Many retirees have no choice but move to cheaper abode.
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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Nov 8 2019, 03:58 PM)
Retiree income is substantially lower. With less than 4% of adults in this country have over us$100k net worth and most of their assets is their primary home. Many retirees have no choice but move to cheaper abode.
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This is so true...
Must find all ways to cut cost & life minimum
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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Nov 8 2019, 03:58 PM)
Retiree income is substantially lower. With less than 4% of adults in this country have over us$100k net worth and most of their assets is their primary home. Many retirees have no choice but move to cheaper abode.
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That is really sad but the reality. That's why must work and save enough to be within the 4% bracket.
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Projects which are based on religious essence are doomed to fail right in the beginning. From a business point of view, its all about convincing the masses. Look at MARA Digital. Bungkus also in the end. So this developer must be high on something when they thought of this project.
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QUOTE(ryan_hustler @ Nov 9 2019, 03:03 AM)
Can see this happening in the near future. Most malays dont buy bumi lot because of the non existant appreciation and lack of potential buyers when you plan to flip the property. This is an entire township with the bumi conundrum.
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LOLz.......even the Malays house buyers are smart enough to know the cons of buying bumi lots/units. Goes to show how much thought the developer has given into their planning before launching this project. Definitely doom to fail.

QUOTE(kimchi rider @ Nov 9 2019, 07:46 AM)
Projects which are based on religious essence are doomed to fail right in the beginning. From a business point of view, its all about convincing the masses. Look at MARA Digital. Bungkus also in the end. So this developer must be high on something when they thought of this project.
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What to do, they never learn from their failures and improvise. Instead they continue to champion this kind of marketing strategy hoping to succeed. Wait to see how this project will go in the near future.
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QUOTE(Xaser_3 @ Nov 9 2019, 10:25 AM)
LOLz.......even the Malays house buyers are smart enough to know the cons of buying bumi lots/units. Goes to show how much thought the developer has given into their planning before launching this project. Definitely doom to fail. 
What to do, they never learn from their failures and improvise. Instead they continue to champion this kind of marketing strategy hoping to succeed. Wait to see how this project will go in the near future.
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If bod and management are political appointees, they are not personally liable for losses, many decisions are made to score brownie points.
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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Nov 9 2019, 10:38 AM)
If bod and management are political appointees, they are not personally liable for losses, many decisions are made to score brownie points.
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Yes, I believe you are right about this. Most likely to have directors who are political appointees or affiliated, almost similar to a GLC. Just market, sell without thinking of the sustainability and reputation of the project.
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Well don't be surprised some would actually fall into the marketing gimmick 😁 since it's related to Islamic thingy.. religious actually sell well in Malaysia...

So good luck flipping or selling future on 🤣
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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Nov 9 2019, 12:09 PM)
Well don't be surprised some would actually fall into the marketing  gimmick 😁 since it's related to Islamic thingy.. religious actually sell well in Malaysia...

So good luck flipping or selling future on 🤣
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Religious bigots are every where 😅

 

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