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waja2000
post Feb 4 2015, 11:40 PM

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QUOTE(yinchet @ Feb 4 2015, 11:16 PM)
Atr72 mpa and atr72 erieye aew.
economic enough. laugh.gif
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ATR72 too many crash ... seems un-safe plane .... biggrin.gif
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post Feb 4 2015, 11:47 PM

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QUOTE(thpace @ Feb 4 2015, 11:28 PM)
dunno if cn-235 can be fitted with erieye aew.  hmm.gif  hmm.gif

or C295 with erieye aew instead haha tongue.gif
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Saab unveils C-295 Erieye concept

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/...concept-315879/


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but seem not practical, the radar mount too high, it create more balancing and resistance issue...
than u should know why AEW plane always like using plane wing mount in bottom of airframe, jike like in Saab 340&300/145 R-99A,also B373 AEW etc... because wing mount in top of airframe will close to radar and block radar down side scan up to 20~25%.
that why in picture they mount radar very high。

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post Feb 5 2015, 12:06 AM

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QUOTE(thpace @ Feb 5 2015, 12:00 AM)
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But so far no interest

But would we prefer turboprop or jet engine?
price tag and US restriction

US things always come with term and conditions. Rather get EU or russian stuff, no TnC as long u have the $$$
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Panglima RMAF said before they prefer turbojet engine ....for AEW

AEW always best with long range turbojet plane (usually commercial jet retrofit)
that why best for Erieye AEW is install in A319LR/CJ, buy A319LR it have 10,000km range, 11 hrs endurance fly, have speed, small (small than B373-800), AA/MAS can service, parts easy, Erieye use alot Thales system, eazy for Thales to re-trofit in A319LR. event big space enough to install front/rear radar to cover 360%, suface search radar at bottom airframe, price A319LR about usd 90 million,all system install estimated USD 200 million, value enough for AEW&C.

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post Feb 5 2015, 12:12 AM

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QUOTE(trollboy @ Feb 4 2015, 11:50 PM)
Why not just get e2d with the advanced super hornet package
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also E2D no toilet ... means endurance hour is low, usually 2hrs+ fly hours.
it too small, only 2 operator.

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post Feb 5 2015, 12:23 AM

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QUOTE(thpace @ Feb 5 2015, 12:11 AM)
have to masuk integration cost also since nvr done before  laugh.gif
tat time value tak ada ad
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Integration not much, bcos erieye system already use in may AEW jet,
it not re-develop entire system, just more like fit & finishing integration no new jet, all system move from existing move over to new A319 plane.
my estimation Erieye system cost about usd 50 million, usd 50 million for integration cost. so cost around usd 200 million after add A319LR cost. max also no more than usd 250 million.

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post Feb 5 2015, 12:27 AM

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QUOTE(trollboy @ Feb 5 2015, 12:23 AM)
Its endurance usually 6 hrs la
Dont tell me u cannot shit/pee before u go on a mission
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technical is like that, but ....
tahan 6 hrs in plane? for all 4-5 crew
event us navy also usually 2~3 hrs fly only.

better give more better environment to crew ....

and than
" The unit cost of the E-2D Advanced Hawkeye is $179.36 million (flyaway cost in FY 2014)"
after add parts, maintenance , training, emulator, cost usd 220+- already.
for this price, i get Erieye system, at lease more comfort for crew.

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post Feb 5 2015, 01:05 AM

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QUOTE(KYPMbangi @ Feb 5 2015, 12:47 AM)
They are still in production
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Saab 2000 already stop production for commercial sell,
but only production for Military sell for now. for MPA and AEW

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post Feb 5 2015, 01:49 PM

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China WZ-10 fire Air-To-Air missile hit target ....(on exercise)

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post Feb 5 2015, 11:24 PM

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QUOTE(thpace @ Feb 5 2015, 10:12 PM)
go brunei train only la.. lower cost plus they already have simulator there
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they maybe no have simulator, only few unit they have, they can send pilot to oversea for training. event have also old version, went get new S-70S all old item dont want already.
for me, better S-70i SLEP/re-trofit wiht glass cockpit and engine, electronic first, than simulator buy on new cockpit .... if not soon still still need so slep/upgrade (already 15 year using)

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post Feb 6 2015, 01:19 AM

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QUOTE(thpace @ Feb 6 2015, 01:06 AM)
4 biji saja... laugh.gif

bukan ada plan nak beli lagi or is there? brows.gif  brows.gif
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still got 2 unit vip S-70A .... also our 2 unit S-70i vip total got 4 unit ....

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post Feb 6 2015, 01:34 AM

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QUOTE(thpace @ Feb 6 2015, 01:28 AM)
since when we got s-70i? hmm.gif
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typo error got 2 unit S-70A

70-2369 1997 M46-01: VIP transport helicopter without external fuel tanks.
70-2374 1997 M46-02: VIP transport helicopter with ESSS stub wings and external f+


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post Feb 6 2015, 11:32 AM

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QUOTE(trollboy @ Feb 6 2015, 09:51 AM)
I heard can carry 3 ewp and 2 sidewinder
1 ewp can carry 4 amraam/6sdb + 2 amraam
Aiya to be stealthy u must sacrifice ma
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this is release by Boeing early.
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post Feb 6 2015, 02:33 PM

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my simple PS photo ....ok ah...
Airbus A319 Erieye AEW&C
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post Feb 7 2015, 12:45 AM

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QUOTE(yinchet @ Feb 6 2015, 09:04 PM)
What for? might as well buy the wedge tail.
The cheapest platform for erieye would be atr72 or we can go for slightly expensive g650 or bombardier global express.
All three above have their platform modified for military usage.
Though it was not g650 but g550 was modified to be aew by israel.
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A319 Erieye just only one of solution ...other jet also can if meet spec.. and it taking many consideration, A319 best solution for Erieye..
ATR72 just like C-295, it have top wings than block much Erieye radar, than have to mount radar very high......
g650 and bombardier global express. have payload limitation, it only have 3 tons or less payload, event 340AEW also have 10% more payload than this 2 jet, if they hard to fit it, it maybe only can 2-3 console, means capability reduce. Saab2000/EMB145 have more than 5 tons payload.
Erieye radar it self already 1.3 tons weight and 9.7 meter length
unlike G550 just mount radar at airframe for 2 side. much lighter than Erieye Radar.

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post Feb 7 2015, 09:48 AM

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QUOTE(yinchet @ Feb 7 2015, 04:05 AM)
Actually erieye radar wieght is 900kg.
http://www.deagel.com/Aircraft-Warners-and...a001470001.aspx
Iinm full mission computer and esm is less than 2tons.
I would like to provide the source but it seem like the pdf link was gone.
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that 900kg is scaled down version of Saab's Erieye, only about close to 8 meter radar, it install in small plane ike Saab340 AEW.... detection range only 300km... offcouse it can install in G550/650/BGE. but we want more to full version with 9.7 meter radar so can get more detection range.
affcouse, it up to engineer to calculate the payload, fitting to airframe, power system and plane capability. if can fit, all welcome.
mindef just have come out AEW project, ask aircraft manufacture propose there product to fit Erieye (if Erieye is fix), set mini spec like endurance range and hours/fuel consumption/maintenance packages
finally still up to Mindef to think budget/operation/logistic detail.

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post Feb 9 2015, 02:21 PM

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QUOTE(thpace @ Feb 9 2015, 02:08 PM)
and dont why we are getting tat.. laugh.gif

even Mil-28NE better if looking at capabilities wise and ability to carry 3 additional special ops crew although it mainly intended to rescue down heli crew  laugh.gif
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no read news ah....
Mil-28 very danger, after firing missile, smoke from missile can cause Mi-28 crash. biggrin.gif


Gas ingestion suspected as Russian army Mi-28N crashes
http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/...crashes-329383/
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post Feb 9 2015, 04:24 PM

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QUOTE(thpace @ Feb 9 2015, 02:40 PM)
neh all attack heli face the risk of gas ingestion, viper and apache also faced risk of gas ingestion especially during hover and opposing wind condition and firing multiple rockets

apache have wider plyon to put greater distances between the rocket pod and engine and the same as viper. The rocket pod is always at the edge

russian like to put their rocket pod close to the engine while missiles at edge opposite of western style
than means mi-28 design no good/mistake ? brows.gif
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post Feb 9 2015, 10:51 PM

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QUOTE(thpace @ Feb 9 2015, 07:27 PM)
neh, if design bad, wont have client would like to buy also despite it bargain price

more like their preference to where they like to put their rocket pod. Close to engine higher the risk

then again, only in hover position you have greatest risk. Attack heli are on the move most of the time

then again 6 biji.. i doubt we will put in anti-tank role. More like a stop-gap attack heli for now. When we got more money, a full battalion tongue.gif
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but seems like mindef will not get heavy attack helicopter ..... more like medium range.
so far only Tiger, T129 , AH-1z, WZ10 left only.
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post Feb 10 2015, 01:32 AM

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QUOTE(thpace @ Feb 10 2015, 12:01 AM)
i was told.. not necessary a full fledge attack heli with all the fancy anti tank role, what the the media interpret as attack heli supposedly a gunship, basically can be any heli armed with HMG only  whistling.gif  whistling.gif .

Do you notice why the announcement is for esscom and the rather small number - 6 biji whistling.gif

does make sense right? Why would you want a dedicated expensive attack heli, when most of the time wat you will be doing is shooting sulus.. not tanks, not heavy armed vehicles and doing routine/regular patrol duties

little bird stand a good chance whistling.gif
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Attack Helicopter already long time want to get it by army...
Esscom just help them to get it more faster ...
ESSCOM just one of duty, attack helicopter can use around entire sabah/sarawak if mission needed, event can send to peninsular (using A400M) if any case needed. attach helicopter just strange our army capability.
than think more future, it no limited to esscom only, no so anti army to getting there anti-helicopter ....
those gunship no better performance/weapon than attack helicopter。。。。

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post Feb 10 2015, 01:35 AM

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QUOTE(yinchet @ Feb 10 2015, 12:09 AM)
Fire atgm on those boats look awesome.
Apkws would be cheaper option to do that.

anyway make sense or not maf would love to use the opportunity to buy high tier attack helicopters.
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also Thales LMM too...



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