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QUOTE(name @ May 26 2009, 07:06 AM)
i dont know..
should i dumb also at ASW or not
currently has ASB
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How fortunate to have such a wide range of options to choose from like you! smile.gif
Historically, ASB offered better returns. Sometimes it gave special dividends.
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The recently released fund size of ASW2020 in April'09 was RM2 bil.
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QUOTE(taufu @ Jun 2 2009, 09:03 PM)
i just got a statement from ASNB.. i invested 3k during last year ASM's opening, passbook is gold color.

am confused about the interest rate.. 6.25% is the return rate right..?
however, it stated there I only earn 62.50, isn't it suppose to be x3?
my total now is RM3062.50... please enlighten me.. TQ smile.gif
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The dividend payout is correct if you made your subscription in Dec'08, as ASM's financial year ends on March 31, every year. I recall that ASM released some funds on Dec 1, 2008. You can't expect to receive a full dividend @6.25% if you have just invested for 4 months. smile.gif

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QUOTE(backislan @ Jun 10 2009, 09:01 PM)
hi guys,just want to ask u all,is it worth making a loan and save in asb/asm safe or not?cause loan from bsn start form 3.5% and asb/asm interest is 6-7% peryear? or just save bit by bit per month?appreaciate all the info cause thinking of applying for a loan,i'm a gov servant
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QUOTE(htt @ Jun 11 2009, 06:47 AM)
If I am you, I will take loan & buy. But subject to the amount I am comfortable with. Don't over invest. tongue.gif
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I strongly disagree with this idea, at least for the time being. There is no guarantee that dividend for ASM will exceed 6% next year. Due to the economic recession, I foresee the dividend will potentially go below 6%. It isn’t a good alternative to borrow money from bank in order to invest in ASM and ASW. If the bank interest rate is 3.5% vs ASM dividend @6% or below, you can only make a max profit of 2.5% only! You can simply get 2.5% if you put your money into FD x12 months.

ASB might be a better bet, as it may give special dividend. However, the net return won't be spectacular in view of the interest rate @3.5% and above!

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QUOTE(htt @ Jun 11 2009, 07:49 PM)
ASM no loan, I think bank only loan for ASB tongue.gif
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SV proposed that government to give partial loans for our Indian fellow friends to subscribe ASM.
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QUOTE(htt @ Jun 11 2009, 09:21 PM)
I think I shouldn't put one line comment that cause confusion to others.

My rationale:
Assumption:
- Risk averse personnel.
- No other equity or high.
- middle income, government job? Assume RM3,000/ mth.
- monthly investment (repayment of loan) constitute 10% of income (max 15%). RM300 repayment per month.
- Total unit buying, 12,085 unit (RM12,085)
- Interest rate, 1st year 3.5%, 2nd year 4.5%, 3rd year 5.5% (rising BLR? unlikely that much but I put it as the case).
- Return of 7% per year (i think that should be much higher, judge from history).
- No down payment, loan 100%.

Calculation:
By saving speed, one should have RM9,900 if he saved RM300 for 33 months (discard saving interest rate).
By 36 months (3 year), the amount should be RM11,139 (compound interest of 2% p.a. but no one pay you 2% interest when the amount less than RM1,000, I include that anyway).
By 36 months, the loan of RM12,085 should be fully repaid.
The difference is the power of leverage, not all leverages are bad, without leverage, we might not be able to buy a house until late 40s.
The calculation by simple excel spreadsheet.

Hope I made it clear. I did it for free, please don't hold me for responsibility.
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I'm not sure if I did get what you meant. Were you trying to say getting loan for ASB investment is a viable option?

As for ASM, should loans be available to investors, it is a bad investment, as mentioned in my previous posting. Your assumption indicating an annual return of 7% or higher is unjustified, taking into consideration
the dividend payout @6.25% for financial ending March 31, 2009. It is the lowest income distribution level since the fund started in year 2000.

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QUOTE(MilesAndMore @ Jun 24 2009, 11:41 PM)
You can open an ASM account either at Pos Office, ASNB Office, Maybank, CIMB Bank or RHB Bank. Bring along your IC. If i'm not mistaken, they only accept cash.
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You can transfer the money from your existing MBB, CIMB and RHB deposit acc to subscribe ASM. ASN offices do accept banker's cheque. Post offices only accept cash.

QUOTE(investor @ Jun 25 2009, 10:55 PM)
Today try to invest ASM but it is finished. I'm bumi, there said also finished. Not sure the RHB is lying or not.
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It's unbelievable that all Bumi allocation units have been fully subscribed. You may have a try at other banks and update us. smile.gif
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QUOTE(arsenal @ Jul 4 2009, 10:17 PM)
both also can...ASM and ASW are the one most soughtly after.

You can go any post office, CIMB or RHB branches..
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Don't forget Maybank too. smile.gif

Past experience shows that ASW and ASM were easily snapped up by Chinese (non-Bumi units or allocation for Chinese) within days or even hours throughout whole Malaysia.
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Don't be overjoyed too early. I won't be surprised if the Indian quota would sell rapidly during the last few days before the expiry date. Moreover, lots of Chinese would rush to get a piece of cake so it's kinda difficult to get a share of it if it is reopen to Chinese.
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A lot of people will be getting heart broken again. doh.gif

http://www.btimes.com.my/Current_News/BTIM...icle/index_html
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QUOTE(gstrapinuse @ Jul 9 2009, 02:58 PM)
Hope can get some of the units on 21st..But i think the chances of getting it is too low. 0.6% only.
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Do bear in mind that 0.6% was reported yesterday. The rate will be getting smaller till 0% when approaching the expiry date on July 20.
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QUOTE(zephyryu @ Jul 11 2009, 12:04 PM)
a new pnb fund on the way
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Don't just give info like this. Give some details.
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QUOTE(mopster @ Jul 15 2009, 05:54 PM)
lol... take ur money and give u back in terms of dividend..
then use some to support stock market, fund stimulus packages, fiscal deficits long list...

gov really desperate.. if not they wont be offering ASM twice this year, and new fund AS1M also coming..
I lost to uncles and aunties in April.. haha this time i will go camp early in the morning and avoid MBB, go post office coz it opens earlier..
i wonder if ASW2020 will come round 2...
on the other hand.. it also shows that rakyat still got cash reserves..  laugh.gif
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Better don't buy at post office. It's quite dangerous to bring cash and que early morning. Post offices only accept cash.
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QUOTE(simplesmile @ Jul 16 2009, 12:18 AM)
I'm new to ASM/ASW.
I want to understand why the rush to snap up the units.

If the return of ASW/ASM is less than 9%, then why not people but REITs? Can easily earn 9% return.
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For Malaysian REITs, they provide a yield of 8% or more, depending on the performance of the respective counter. However, the principal is determined by the public market. I bought Atrium REIT at about RM1.00 2 years ago, and they gave me a yearly dividend of about 9%. But the share price has slumped to RM0.70++. I make a loss on paper, and I have no choice but still hold the share.
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QUOTE(ViRaViRa @ Jul 15 2009, 10:32 PM)
For me, it is just the other way round. Better buy at post office I would say. I can buy it within 1 hour max there (assuming that I am late). If I go to bank I need to wait for few hours max & even end up being told that all funds are finished (assuming that I wake up 5am & I am the 2nd one in the long queue).

Well, that is during peak time, e.g. when newly launched.

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It should not be a problem if you only bring a few grand. But if you wanna buy the max 20k, queing up early in the morning in front of post office is indeed very dangerous. Unless you go to small town where there are less customers. Further, there is no security guard in most of the post office.

QUOTE(soul2soul @ Jul 16 2009, 09:13 AM)
http://www.bernama.com.my/bernama/v5/news_lite.php?id=425484

20,000 units per account from 21st July until 27th July, and unlimited after that.

Time to start camping in front of the post office already.
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It's only 16th today. Too early to camp! biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(snowcrash @ Jul 17 2009, 10:10 PM)
For the new allocation 21 to 27 July, will they still follow the 50:30:15:5 quota or will it be first come first serve up to the 20k limit? I won't be able to go until 23rd, & scared all allocation taken up only...
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There is a high possibility that this bumi release fund will be fully subscribed within hours, or 1st or 2nd day.

QUOTE(redwine2 @ Jul 17 2009, 10:56 PM)
if go to pos office to buy ASM, can be pay with cheque or need to be cash??....
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Post offices only accept cash, while PNB offices accept cheque and cash. If you buy from agents like Maybank, CIMB and RHB, you can transfer the fund from your savings, current or FD account.

QUOTE(Cyclone87 @ Jul 18 2009, 08:08 AM)
If i want to buy 20k unit, should i bring rm20k on that day ? Or just open an account with them, and insert money to it ? And when it start ? 20th or 21th ? Can i open new account at any post office ? Or any bank ?
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New account can only be opened when the units are available.

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QUOTE(I_bryan @ Jul 18 2009, 12:42 PM)
Does the bank accept banker cheque ?
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QUOTE(reevephon @ Jul 18 2009, 02:09 PM)
I'm planning to purchase the ASM at RHB bank, but I doesn't have account at RHB bank but only Maybank, so is there anyway for me to purchase it at RHB bank? I heard there is a service called BankDraft where I can buy through the bank and send the money to another bank account without bringing the cash, does the BankDraft allow me to purchase the ASM directly at different bank? Mean I've bought a BankDraft at Maybank by using my own account then I never credit the money into RHB bank account but just directly credit it to my ASM account at RHB bank? Is it can, some body pro please clarify this for me.  icon_question.gif
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Previously, I bought ASM and ASW at PNB HQ at Jln Tun Razak using cheque. PNB offices accept banker's cheque, payable to "Amanah Saham Nasional Berhad". This time round, I've already purchased a banker's cheque in favour of ASNB on Friday and will go to PNB HQ again early morning on 21st July.

However, I haven't tried this in Maybank/RHB/CIMB, so that I am afraid I may give you wrong information. If I remember correctly, banks don't accept banker's cheque in favour of ASNB. I doubt banks accept banker's cheque in favour of yourself (your name). Although banker's cheque guarantee payment, it still needs time to be cleared. Therefore, if you wanna purchase at Maybank/RHB/CIMB, it's better to get ready with the fund (already in your deposit account in the specific bank) at least 1 day earlier.

Based on my experience, I subscribed SUKUK government bond at Maybank using banker's cheque on the 1st day the fund was launched. However, SUKUK is a different story as the fund was only sold out in 1 week.

I suggest you to give the respective banks a call to enquire whether they accept banker's cheque. As I mentioned earlier, if you plan to subscribe ASM at bank, it's better to ensure your fund is already in your savings/current account at least 1 day before ASM is open to the public.

QUOTE(Cyclone87 @ Jul 18 2009, 02:40 PM)
Thank for clarify thing up. Can i open a new account at post offices ?
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You can open a new account at post office, provided that you are able to grab some units on time you wish to open the account. FYI, you can't open a "blank" account at any post office/bank/PNB office.
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QUOTE(1000 @ Jul 18 2009, 04:00 PM)
Hi winner, my question may seem a bit stupid, banker's cheque is already stated with a amount right? say RM20K
What if  when i buy ASM, they said left less than 20k units already.
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Good question. Something that most people including myself overlook it. I suppose PNB officer at counter will not allow you to buy, unless you have another banker's with smaller amount or cash. Therefore, it is wiser to split your 20k banker's cheque into 2 or 3. But you'd better make an enquiry with PNB 1st before you do this.

Alas...I have already purchased the banker's cheque in 1 piece! laugh.gif


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QUOTE(Cyclone87 @ Jul 18 2009, 04:08 PM)
Bank open door at 9am while post office open at 8am. So is it wiser for me to go post office at 8am ? I just afraid i have to carry big lump sum cash to office if i fail to open my account .
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I'm not sure about the business hours nationwide but in KL and its surrounding, most banks open at 9.15am, post offices at 8.15am and PNB HQ at 8.00am.

For security purpose, I would never bring 20k CASH to que up at a post office in KL. You may bring cash only if you only buy at a small amount or at a post office with less customers in small town.

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QUOTE(I_bryan @ Jul 19 2009, 11:39 AM)
OMG... I have prepared the banker cheque payable to my name. If i have to bank in and cash out, i afriad unit will be totally sold out..

Does the ASNB offices accept banker cheque payable under my name?
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QUOTE(Phoenix claws @ Jul 20 2009, 07:51 AM)
As far as I know, ASNB only accept cheuqe in the
name of Amanah Saham Nasional Berhad. Why
dont you call. PNB tel no: 2057 3000 or 2057 3111

You can ask the bank to cancell this cheque and
issue another one. However you will have to pay
bank charges all over again. Good Luck!  thumbup.gif
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I need to clarify this query here. All the while I used to subscribe ASM and ASW at PNB HQ using banker's cheques payable to "Amanah Saham Nasional Berhad" . I made an inquiry with PNB just now, the staff told me that PNB also accepts banker's cheque in favour of yourself (your name). Also, the staff confirmed that PNB accepts a few banker's cheques for one purchase, i.e. you can split your RM20k purchase into 4 banker's cheques at RM5k each. This will ensure you to get some units if the units available fall below 20,000 during your turn.
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QUOTE(storekeeper @ Jul 20 2009, 01:43 PM)
Today's local newspaper did mentioned this ASM gonna start selling tomorrow.. So now still got RM1.6 Billion as mentioned will it be last for at least 2 days..?

MilesAndMore, last released for ASM (non bumi) is RM1 billion.? If yes I think last released it can last at least 2 days and not as much people as ASW2020.
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Don't underestimate it. Those who were disappointed for being unable to snap up ASW2020 last round will go all out for ASM this time.

QUOTE(yks8845 @ Jul 20 2009, 03:09 PM)
Sorry for annoying question here..

i am interested to buy ASM tmr...which place i can buy besides PNB?

i mean those agent place as mentioned in newspaper ? RHB ? CIMB? Maybank and pos office ?

Thanks..
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No offence here. Why don't you read the thread thoroughly? It has been asked and answered over and over again!

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