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jutamind
post Jan 14 2015, 02:15 PM

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will having CIMB Asia Pac Dynamic, Affin Hwang Asia Quantum and Eastspring Global Emerging Market funds be considered overlapping?
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post Jan 14 2015, 02:18 PM

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what about CIMB Global Titans, CIMB Asia Pac Dynamic and Affin Hwang Asia Quantum? better off?

QUOTE(David83 @ Jan 14 2015, 02:16 PM)
Certain overlapping sure got.
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post Jan 14 2015, 03:45 PM

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yup, actually i already have Eastspring Global Leaders, Global Emerging Markets and Affin Hwang Asia Quantum in my portfolio now....

just reviewing my portfolio to minimize the overlap.

QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Jan 14 2015, 02:28 PM)
Eastspring GEM also has some HK/China and ASEAN stocks which Affin Hwang Asia Quantum and CIMB Dynamite Income might/can have.

But up to 40% of Eastspring GEM are exposed to "pure" EM markets like middle east, Africa, Emerging Europe, Russia, Latin America etc which the other 2 funds are not exposed to wink.gif

jutamind u trying to build a portfolio? biggrin.gif

Today Asian markets red red

Don't wait for Saturday 0.5% discount, top up now! tongue.gif
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post Jan 17 2015, 09:04 AM

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All these discussions about MY funds reminds me of the discussions about bond fund, especially on amdynamic fund 3-6 months back.

Those who stay the course would have been rewarded as amdynamic performance has since rebounded. I believe it will be similar case for MY funds well.
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post Jan 22 2015, 08:48 PM

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let's say i have invested RM1k into Fund A. One year later, the value of the fund is RM 1.1k. I then switch the whole Fund A (value RM1.1k) to Fund B.

Do you count the profit of RM100 into the calculation of your IRR for your portfolio, even though you've switched the whole 1.1k into another fund?

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post Jan 22 2015, 09:10 PM

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pin this in the first post

QUOTE(polarzbearz @ Jan 22 2015, 09:01 PM)
woonsc as requested, updated my spreadsheet with "more friendly" user guide.

Download link is still the same:

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Download here >>> Polarzbearz's Portfolio Summary with Pinky's IRR Calculation
Make sure you read the instructions as many of the cells has formula in it. You can freely modify, update, or change it to suit your need (and even share with others if you don't mind tongue.gif)

Original credit goes to Pink Spider for the original worksheet (Pinky's Portfolio Worksheet with IRR Calculation)

And special thanks to Pink Spider and yklooi for inspiring: see post#795 and post#817
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post Jan 22 2015, 09:44 PM

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ok thanks...this is what i'm doing now....just to reconfirm whether it's the correct way.

QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Jan 22 2015, 09:36 PM)
U have to!

The RM100 was profit for Fund A
The RM100 was profit for your portfolio

IRR is about the PAST, all transactions must be taken into account.
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post Jan 24 2015, 02:18 PM

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QUOTE(adamdacutie @ Jan 24 2015, 01:02 AM)
I asked fundsupermart few days ago, they claimed is system error , and will be reverted back to 2% . SO for those who RSP with 0.8 % --- congrats !
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post Jan 24 2015, 04:51 PM

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just looking at polarbearz v1.3 xls file. few suggestions:

1. add some comments on column H, I and J on what's the meaning of SC/RF/MF/Manual adj etc

Errors?:

1. the grouping on the left most column in Investment Details worksheet are not grouped properly according to the funds.
2. In Investment Details worksheet, if a Sell transaction is entered, why is the sample data shown as negative amount value?

I'm trying to add rows according to the steps you've listed in Instructions worksheet, but i keep on getting error message "This operation is not allowed......" Why is it so?

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post Jan 24 2015, 08:29 PM

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can the line above the total line (grey in colour) be deleted?

QUOTE(polarzbearz @ Jan 24 2015, 06:37 PM)
1. Noted

1. This one cannot automate apparently. Still figuring how how to let excel "auto update" the grouping
2. As explained by pinky, when we perform selling, we define how many units we are selling, not define how much cash we want to cash out. So, transaction amount effectively captures "Amount of Unit Sold", which must be a negative value when we are selling (Reduce number of units). This is also explained in the cell's explanation pop up

and lastly for the error; this is because you copied Entire Row; instead of carefully selecting the Table's Cells. You CANNOT copy entire row and paste it below. Must select it manually within the table's range.
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post Jan 24 2015, 09:20 PM

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i'm referring to Line 5 in the section How to add new row in the Instructions worksheet.

I'm compiling the historical data for Cash Management Fund based on the historical record in FSM into your xls file and i found a discrepancy of 1.26 unit/-RM 1.5. I've compared the number of lines/number of units/unit price in FSM and the data i entered into xls file and they match each other. no idea where does this 1.26 unit difference is coming from

QUOTE(polarzbearz @ Jan 24 2015, 09:01 PM)
errr which line? screenshot might help a bit here sweat.gif

Grey colour lines are the total lines right? Got other grey colour lines meh (except certain cells that are highlighted as they are formulas). sweat.gif

Those detailed lines will not have affect to the calculation, as long as transaction amount and unit price is 0 laugh.gif so can leave it here and update next time when got new entries.
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post Jan 24 2015, 09:42 PM

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the difference is in total line. the formula for Units column is correct. I'm also suspecting it's rounding issue.

I entered -1.26 unit in column J but i dont see total unit (column K) is reducing by the same amount of units.

QUOTE(polarzbearz @ Jan 24 2015, 09:30 PM)
The line 5, you can delete if you want to (no impact). But you can also leave it there so that it's easier for you to add new lines in the future, as long as Transacted Amount is zero, it won't be added to the units / value calculation.

If you don't mind, can you provide part of historical data from FSM vs. the excel sheet so that I can try to find the root cause? But nevertheless, you can always use the Manual Adjustment field in the Units (for purchase only).

Where do you see the difference? Is it in total (grey line); or one of the detail line?
If it's total line, check the total units' formula and make sure it have included all the rows (the formula might not capture the newly inserted row if the used insert method is different).
If it's detail line, the below example might help:

» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «

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post Jan 24 2015, 09:50 PM

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I entered -1.26 unit in column J but i dont see calculated unit of the row and total unit (column K) is reducing by the same amount of units. any idea why?

QUOTE(polarzbearz @ Jan 24 2015, 09:47 PM)
hmm.gif this one i not sure liao.

I made sure that the units calculation (in details row) is rounded to two decimals, so there should not be an issue (and since you mentioned that detailed lines unit are accurate). Even if there are issues with detailed row units, we can manually adjust it.

As for the total row, I just stick with the original formula (basic SUM formula) without changes.

If you're comfortable changing the Total Units formula, try this:

Change the original formula from (example)
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=SUM(K2:K8)


to this formula (example, change the range to suit yours)
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=ROUND(SUM(K2:K8),2)


Can't really test it out cause I don't have much historic transactions with FSM yet.

But just to double confirm again - the detailed row's Calculated Unit is accurate, for every lines you recorded, yes?
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post Jan 25 2015, 12:26 AM

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after changing the -1.26 into a detail switch buy/buy row, this manual adj works.

another point to raise...how do i add in the total profit/loss amount for the funds that i've switched out over the years? for eg i switched from fund A to fund B and make a profit of RM1000. how do i add this profit of RM1000 into the portfolio profit?

QUOTE(polarzbearz @ Jan 24 2015, 10:09 PM)
when you enter -1.26 unit in column J, are you entering it in details row or total row?
--- if details row: what is the transaction type? buy/switchbuy; sell/switchsell; dividend; platform fee?
------- if buy/switchbuy: this should not be happening, make sure the formulas in column K are not overriden.
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=IF(OR([@[Transaction Type]]="Sell",[@[Transaction Type]]="Switch Sell",[@[Transaction Type]]="Dividend"),[@[Transaction Amt.]],IF([@[Transaction Type]]="Platform Fee",0,(-ROUND((ROUND(([@Amount]/(1+[@[SC / RF / MF]])),2)/[@Price]),2))+[@[Unit Manual Adj.]]))

------- if others: unit adjustment is only applicable for purchased units because: (when we buy, rounding calculation of units differ from fund houses; but when we sell, we sell exactly X units after deducting redemption fee; and for dividend, we enter units gained directly so no adjustments are required; and for platform fee; we are only entering it as a cost in RM with no impact or relation with units)
--- if total row: currently Manual Unit Adjustment hasn't been enabled for the total row yet.
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post Jan 25 2015, 11:36 AM

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pinkspider, how big is your data size? for me, my CMF is over 100 buy/sell transactions over the years.

polarzbearz PM me your email address for me to send the historical data over to you.

QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Jan 25 2015, 11:24 AM)
polarzbearz if u are doing it right, there shouldn't be ANY rounding difference at all.

I also started my worksheet halfway, i.e. I created my worksheet, and then copy and paste all transactions from FSM's historical transactions. My units is exactly the same as FSM summary.

Maybe it's best that jutamind share his historical data with polarzbearz and let him do some testing?
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post Jan 25 2015, 11:38 AM

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the only drawback for this method is that you will see all your old funds in the single worksheet which is kind of messy if you switch funds over the years.

QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Jan 25 2015, 11:21 AM)
When u switch out (all units) of Fund A and make a profit of RM1K, it will be recorded as a profit for Fund A (forever).

Let's say total switched out from Fund A is RM11K...

RM11K becomes your cost for Fund B, zero profit.

And the RM1K profit from Fund A is locked as PORTFOLIO profit.
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post Jan 25 2015, 12:10 PM

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yup, i think the next version should have a Switch Out worksheet (with the instructions how to do so) so that we can move those funds that has been switch out, but we need to bring the profit/loss from this Switch Out worksheet to the Investment Details worksheet. For now, i will just hardcode the profit amount into the Profit/Loss field in addition to the existing Profit/Loss formula.

QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Jan 25 2015, 11:55 AM)
Excel got 2 functions called "hide" and "grouping" tongue.gif

Normally I list my funds in alphabetical order.

After I've fully switched out from a fund, I'd move it from my "current holdings" list to "disposed holdings" list, and then group them all together and hide it, under 1 header - "disposed holdings" so that should I need to refer back any time, it's just a click away.
I think u can't match mine for volume rolleyes.gif

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274! flex.gif
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post Jan 25 2015, 12:14 PM

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ok sent!

QUOTE(polarzbearz @ Jan 25 2015, 11:50 AM)
Yup which is why I would like to check and see if there are other rounding issues, by comparing FSM data vs input into spreadsheet+calculations.
I've sent you a PM with my email address.
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post Jan 25 2015, 12:29 PM

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ok thanks for the feedback.

for historical funds, i just want to put it as the last detail row in the table as Sell transaction and put in column E -1000 (for the profit i had over the years over many funds) and the Price of RM 1. for the last total row in the table, i put Current Value: RM0 (c0lumn F) so that column H will become -1000. Column M (Profit/Loss) will become RM1000.

is this the correct way to ensure IRR, entrance value, portfolio value, and summarized profit/loss are correct?

QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Jan 25 2015, 12:15 PM)
Err...

U cannot move the switched out funds to another worksheet, cos it will mess up your portfolio IRR calculation.

In order to calculate portfolio IRR, u need ALL transactions from Day 1 to-date in one place, on the same columns.

What u can do is to reorganise, group and hide.
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post Jan 25 2015, 12:33 PM

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just feedback at your convenience when you are at home/office.

QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Jan 25 2015, 12:32 PM)
Aiyo, I'm on mobile, don't have polarzbearz's worksheet with me. I dunno what is column what and what doh.gif

Just bear this in mind...

In order to have the correct portfolio IRR, u need EACH AND EVERY HISTORICAL TRANSACTIONS! U can hide the rows, but u cannot delete ANY row.
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