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 PROTON SAGA BLM, FL & FLX Thread V66, Jerkyy Dong Dong Chiang

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post Dec 23 2014, 07:30 PM

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Ok another 26 pages to ketchup with lala thread.

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post Dec 23 2014, 10:03 PM

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OKla, YAB mau flip table liao. And since we are talking about ambient temperature affecting engine performance....

Remember last time I was contemplating insulating the intake hose and airbox? and titanrev already went ahead and wrap the airbox with aluminium wrap?

I've been thinking, while it is true that the intake piping and airbox may soak up heat from the engine bay, but the air going into the engine actually passes through those components very quickly, isn't it? That means, the time a particular volume of outside air spent inside the airbox and the associated pipings are not long enough to cause them to heat up much.

That means, if the air the car sucks in is hot, it will be hot when it enters the TB. If it is cold, it will still be cold. If your open pod is sucking hot air from the engine bay, no amount of insulation on the piping can cool it down. So it is more important to suck in cold air in the first place, than to try to keep it from heating up enroute to the TB.

I know gunker has observed the temperature changes before and after the aluminium wrap mod, so I might be missing something.

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post Dec 23 2014, 11:14 PM

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QUOTE(THE CLASS OF 13 @ Dec 23 2014, 10:10 PM)
Maybe the engine itself is sensitive to outside air temperature thats why we can feel the noticable difference between hot afternoon air and cold night air? But as you said seem like there is nothing wrong with our intake system as it is designed to suck cold air right?
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If we're talking about ambient temperature affecting the engine itself, remember during normal driving the engine temperature is regulated at 80c-90c via water cooling, this is the most optimum operating temperature for the engine.

Therefore,ambient temperature will have little to no effect on the engine itself.

Engine oil temperature is different and is indicative of the engine's internal temperature, nothing to do with ambient temperature.

The gaga's intake is designed to suck in whatever air in front of it. It is definitely not a cold air intake.

QUOTE(davidke20 @ Dec 23 2014, 10:21 PM)
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Hot air from surface to 4ft above are around 60'C mixing with exhaust heat blown by. So your car literally breathing atleast 50'C and above in the afternoon. Having heat wrapped the intake funnel/airbox is not a bad idea.
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But then, does the insulation/wrap cool the air down in the intake funnel/airbox?

Like I was asking, isn't the air passing the intake system too fast to be affected by the temperature of the materials?

QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Dec 23 2014, 10:23 PM)
you're correct, because that's what i get from the intake/ambient sensors via obd, they are the same temperatures with once in a blue moon 0.x celsius degrees variance and that's only if i'm stuck in traffic jams/idling.
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There is also the question of where is the ambient temp sensor located.

QUOTE(V12Kompressor @ Dec 23 2014, 10:24 PM)
not much difference if you are on the move constantly.

Thats y I prefer route the open pod to bawah bumper if I wan full potential of open pod.
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Yep, I think this would be much more effective than insulating the intake system.

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post Dec 24 2014, 01:35 AM

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QUOTE(davidke20 @ Dec 23 2014, 11:24 PM)
Have you ever thought of why HONEYCOMB shape was invented on washing machine tub surface, fridge insulation layer, aircon filter/vent(including GaGa's aircon vent)? Have you ever thought of why SNOWFLAKE structured in hexagonal pattern?
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They're not related at all it seems, but there's a speculation of such hexagonal shape best fit with colder molecule. Am wondering if we can have a fibre formed honeycomb structure act as an agent to reshape intake air would helped hmm.gif But ofcourse, if we wanted the other way round would be using aluminium and or any other metal base materal to form the honeycomb shape it would become even hotter doh.gif

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Nothing to do with snowflake shape la sweat.gif

An extruded honeycomb shape (hexagon arrays) creates most surface area per volume per amount of material used, compared to square, triangular or circular arrays.

Bees create honeycomb shape nests because this way they can fit most amount of chambers in a limited space with minimum amount of wax.

In short, it is simply a more efficient shape if the target is maximum contact surface area with minimum restriction.

QUOTE(davidke20 @ Dec 23 2014, 11:35 PM)
Cooler air has a higher density, thus containing more oxygen per volume unit than warmer air(from WIKI). If the intake air is already HOT, given enough time to chill the air, the density wouldn't increase because that's the amount of air taken into the intake funnel whistling.gif So, basically you nailed it whistling.gif Heat wrapping doesn't change the combustion, but actual air intake temperature before the intake funnel does. In other word, make the atmosphere cold before you drive out, or plonk NOS whistling.gif To answer on behalf of cikgu CLASS OF tigabelas, water coolant is meant for cooling the engine down, has nothing to do with intake temperature. Older vehicle has a intake design of directing a funnel to exhaust manifold to suck hot air in the winter, whereas another intake funnel pointed between headlamp and radiator for cooler air intake during the summer laugh.gif On a general consensus, cooler the better but NOT freezing cold.

Have answered Quazacolt with honeycomb philosophy, not sure whether that will help. The trouble is, honeycomb structure will create more air restriction.
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So to sum it up, insulating the intake system has very little effect sweat.gif

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post Dec 24 2014, 10:51 AM

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QUOTE(THE CLASS OF 13 @ Dec 24 2014, 10:44 AM)
Look beng wei if put the cooler on front bumper hehe
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post Dec 24 2014, 12:24 PM

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QUOTE(r3apers @ Dec 24 2014, 11:13 AM)
ur car got meh? why u didnt tell me...  vmad.gif  vmad.gif
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I think what's more shocking is that his car got CVT whistling.gif

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post Dec 25 2014, 04:45 PM

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Later Peninsular splitted into two sweat.gif
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post Dec 25 2014, 09:50 PM

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QUOTE(V12Kompressor @ Dec 25 2014, 09:24 PM)
பன்றி இறைச்சி, எலும்பு சூப் சாப்பிட போக.
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Jom mana?
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post Dec 26 2014, 09:56 AM

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QUOTE(ruby1288 @ Dec 26 2014, 08:00 AM)
debit, not conphirm yet but if going, meet you at seremban r&r
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Nanti go inspek all the gagas parked there, then cabut again yawn.gif
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post Dec 27 2014, 10:52 AM

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QUOTE(n3w @ Dec 27 2014, 07:39 AM)
Still Shah Alam bo? Here kan convenient, nearby to Klang lagi, bak kut teh sedap land. brows.gif
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Yesterday after you left we naik rollercoaster esola gi Klang makan BKT wub.gif

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post Dec 27 2014, 03:00 PM

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QUOTE(n3w @ Dec 27 2014, 01:23 PM)
You org KL kah? Got chance jumpe next round i naik. biggrin.gif
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post Dec 27 2014, 04:52 PM

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QUOTE(n3w @ Dec 27 2014, 04:40 PM)
It looks normal until you highlight it. sleep.gif
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So did you poison your gf with cars brows.gif

Or did she forbid you from meeting with us again after seeing our antics yesterday? laugh.gif
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post Dec 27 2014, 05:26 PM

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QUOTE(V12Kompressor @ Dec 27 2014, 05:10 PM)
BTW you keep so many boxes of tissue in boot buat apa? brows.gif brows.gif

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Because.....read below whistling.gif

QUOTE(n3w @ Dec 27 2014, 05:11 PM)
She also quite wild wan
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post Dec 28 2014, 07:32 PM

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QUOTE(THE CLASS OF 13 @ Dec 28 2014, 06:38 PM)
Wet road surface, no rain - enter korner a little bit fast - understeer at mid korner -panic- brake - tyre lock = gg dy!!
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Sorry to hear that bro. Yesterday I almost spin when my car fishtailed on a wet corner, damn weather.

QUOTE(r3apers @ Dec 28 2014, 06:55 PM)
i wan x-gear, as it more convenience to me as i can pindah barang easy... ikea shopping also not so big problem thn saga.... icon_idea.gif
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QUOTE(V12Kompressor @ Dec 28 2014, 07:05 PM)
u mau convenient, ikea shopping then bai rollercoaster Esola.
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Ayam quite poisoned with the rollercoaster esola.... wub.gif

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post Dec 28 2014, 08:49 PM

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QUOTE(V12Kompressor @ Dec 28 2014, 08:23 PM)
fit 4 humans inside then so underpower sia. sweat.gif

then the fuel consumption. OMFG.
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Don't feel underpowered to me as a passenger pun blink.gif

Next TT I bai u teh o ais to compensate your petrol marni thumbup.gif

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post Jan 1 2015, 01:35 PM

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QUOTE(davidke20 @ Jan 1 2015, 09:11 AM)
Uih?! Where's the tered liao?
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post Jan 4 2015, 01:21 PM

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QUOTE(davidke20 @ Jan 4 2015, 12:11 PM)
GaGa - AmAssurance, shift to Pacific by March
LMST - Pacific Insurance
Ganjil - Pacific Insurance
BiBa - Sudah lupa sebab bukan aku bayar
Shawie - Pacific Insurance
Daihutsu lorry - Pacific Insurance
Wigra - RHB, bapak suh ini keta takleh buat tempat laen sebab mau sapork dia mia member yawn.gif
MyBi - Allianz due to CIMB loan
MyBi SE - Allianz due to CIMB loan
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Dey boss diorang kata AmAssurance is bought by AIG....betui ke?
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post Jan 5 2015, 06:27 PM

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QUOTE(Maxwell6635 @ Jan 5 2015, 05:54 PM)
lol , don't worry I swear I wont  blush.gif
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u dowan play his buntut....you want him to play your buntut? shocking.gif
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post Jan 5 2015, 07:46 PM

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QUOTE(davidke20 @ Jan 5 2015, 07:45 PM)
Calling for CAR WASH + WATER WAX TT whistling.gif Long time didn't wash GaGa liao wub.gif
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Where is this?
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post Jan 5 2015, 08:00 PM

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QUOTE(davidke20 @ Jan 5 2015, 07:52 PM)
https://www.google.com.my/maps/place/Medan+...#33;6m1!1e1

The car huash area is exactly in the STREET view, but now got atap ady laugh.gif Medan selera is just right there at the same compound. Freakin konvenien dou laugh.gif
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Got a cute kenari also laugh.gif

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