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 STOCK MARKET DISCUSSION V148, Shale Oil! Bear or bull?

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post Dec 16 2014, 04:13 PM

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QUOTE(kurtkob78 @ Dec 16 2014, 03:41 PM)
.... it's crude oil price that has fallen, but now almost all sector is falling ... i dont understand ....

This downtrend started in July, so, its been falling for 5 month. soon will rebound ?
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If you recall the 1997 crisis, it started with the speculative attack on the MYR. This time it is also the depreciation of the MYR. If oil price keeps falling, we will run into a twin deficit as early as the first qtr 2015. It means that the MYR will depreciate further. This time it is not expected to have a v-shape recovery as the is no more QE. Interest rates are expected to rise in order to cap the MYR from dropping. This is of course bad for the market.
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post Dec 16 2014, 10:25 PM

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QUOTE(wankongyew @ Dec 16 2014, 09:38 PM)
In the meantime, US goes from strength to strength. Jobs growth, salaries growth, growth in housing starts etc.
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..which means that commodity prices will continue to drop. And it is already happening.
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post Dec 16 2014, 10:39 PM

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What if crude oil drops to between UD20 to USD40? Most of the analyst & politicians are thinking there is no such possibility.
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post Dec 17 2014, 11:51 AM

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If u look at the charts, the support level is around 1650
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post Dec 17 2014, 12:10 PM

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From TheEdge today, "Asian central banks have ramped up their intervention in currency markets to stem the sell-off roiling emerging markets, testing the notion that the region is better placed to handle a market rout than during the 1997/1998 Asian crisis.." Russia spend USD90 billion of exchange reserves but the rouble keeps falling.

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post Dec 23 2014, 09:33 AM

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QUOTE(KVReninem @ Dec 22 2014, 11:07 PM)
shale oil producers have become the new 'swing producers' in the global oil market as production can be turned on & off more easily than conventional oil producers. OPEC call on them to cut production but OPEC themselves do not want to do it. In the future, the ceiling price of oil should be around USD50 to USD60.
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post Dec 23 2014, 04:03 PM

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QUOTE(htt @ Dec 23 2014, 11:08 AM)
Super quiet, until I tot oil already crash to RM20/barrel...  brows.gif
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If that happens, there will be a fire sale.
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post Dec 23 2014, 04:13 PM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Dec 23 2014, 04:04 PM)
The stock fell from >Rm2.00 to Rm1.00

Those who bought at RM1.80, Rm1.60, Rm1.40, Rm1.20 also take advantage of "fear"....  tongue.gif 

Only the last/lucky one that manage to fish at bottom enjoy the fruit.

So now is full of hope or fear?  biggrin.gif
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Well, it is not that easy to fish at the bottom either.
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post Dec 30 2014, 09:11 AM

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Crude oil hits new low USD53. (Fr RHB invest)
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post Jan 5 2015, 10:16 PM

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The Edge reported that most of the shale oil producers have already hedged their production and are making profit in spite of the drop in oil price. It looks as if the low price environment will continue for at least a year.
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post Jan 5 2015, 10:18 PM

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QUOTE(wil-i-am @ Jan 5 2015, 10:09 PM)
Crude Oil (WTI) trades @ 50.90 now
May close < 50 today
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A lot of analyst live in the make-believe world. Now this is happening.
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post Jan 6 2015, 11:03 PM

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QUOTE(wil-i-am @ Jan 6 2015, 10:20 PM)
Crude Oil (WTI) @ 48.93 now
Heading to 48 today
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Some analyst are still harping on the average price of crude in 2014. Others are harping on GDP growth in 2014. It does not matter any more. It is already history. Looking forward, there will be no quick rebound for crude oil. With shale oil producers protected by hedges in the futures market, oil glut is expected to continue at least for a year. Every crisis has a trigger. 1997/98 crisis was trigger by speculators. 2008 crisis by sub-prime, 2015 crisis ? trigger by fall in crude oil and commodities.
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post Jan 6 2015, 11:06 PM

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QUOTE(cwhong @ Jan 6 2015, 10:46 PM)
actually im hunting mode (OnG), but pity our RM drops like hell ......  doh.gif
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the question is: when is the right time to hunt tongue.gif tongue.gif tongue.gif
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post Jan 8 2015, 09:30 AM

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Most shale oil producers are unprofitable at USD48. But most have already sold their production forward at USD89 in the futures market. Probably it may rebound in the 2nd half but uptrend would be capped as shale oil producers have become the new 'swing producers' taking the role of s.Arabia in the 1980s.
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post Jan 12 2015, 06:48 PM

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Ask Tan teng Boo & he will tell you..."if it drops to UD40-00 and stay low for a prolonged period of time. " The destructive part is .."stay low for a prolonged period of time. Of course, in every crisis, an opportunity arises.
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post Jan 12 2015, 06:53 PM

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Jan 12 2015, 06:46 PM)
well, this might help... maybe not?!!
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In 2008, the V shaped recovery was due quantitative easing worldwide. This time around, there is no QE. Shale oil producers have already hedged their production with price was around UD89. It takes time for their hedging contracts to expire. Then a recovery will come. Again if it goes high, shale oil producers will start pumping again. After all, who doesn't want to make $$$$ smile.gif smile.gif smile.gif
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post Jan 12 2015, 09:32 PM

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Jan 12 2015, 06:46 PM)
well, this might help... maybe not?!!
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From this chart, the support is around USD40-00.
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post Jan 13 2015, 11:50 AM

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The real hit is our economy. Government spending will be curtailed. Most of this spending is thru Petronas. Without this spending to make up for the shortfall in domestic demand expected when GST comes in, expect a stagnant economy.
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post Jan 13 2015, 11:52 AM

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Against this backdrop, upside in KLSE is capped.
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post Jan 13 2015, 08:15 PM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Jan 13 2015, 05:59 PM)
Kenanga Investment head of research Chan Ken Yew is targeting the FBM KLCI to hit as high as 1,905 by end-2015 despite the current weakening in the crude oil prices and the ringgit.

This is lower from his previous target of 1,980.

"This is base on 17.7 times financial year 2016 price earnings ratio," he said.

He however said that the KLCI would trade as low as 1,860 if the crude oil prices stay weak and softer corporate earnings.
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Maybe. Oil keeps dropping but shares are up. rclxub.gif rclxub.gif rclxub.gif

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