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post Dec 7 2017, 03:08 PM

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hi sifus,

may i know if my loan is 600k and if i dumped in extra 595k, the loan tenure will be shorten while repayment amount is the same.

since monthly installment is about rm3k, will my loan account being "settled and close" (in 2-3 months time) since the outstanding is only 5k?

in such scenario, how to maintain the flexi / semi-flexi account for its flexibility to withdraw anytime without closing the loan account?

many thanks
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post Dec 7 2017, 05:11 PM

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QUOTE(lifebalance @ Dec 7 2017, 04:35 PM)
When you take a housing loan and let's assume the tenure is 35 years, this 35 years is already including your principle amount (600k) + interest (35 years worth of interest).

Should you decide to put 600k back into the loan for example, you should complete your loan within 17.5 years by maintaining the same loan installment every month.

However, you should not try to put the same amount as your loan outstanding otherwise the system will take it that you would like to settle off your loan so it's advisable to keep within 90 - 95% of the loan outstanding.
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thanks lifebalance for the insightful explanations.

having said so, means the cost to maintain the account is 3k per month for 17.5 years, which has ntg to do with principal but just interests? or mixed? how does the amortization will be.

from end financier standpoint, it seems we need to service 3k for 17.5 years even tho already has the capability to settle all (just to maintain the flexibilitiy?).

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post Dec 7 2017, 06:37 PM

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QUOTE(lifebalance @ Dec 7 2017, 06:22 PM)
It's a little mixed of both.

Yeap it's to maintain the flexibility that your money is still on the loan account but if you choose to withdraw that then you will incur the housing loan interest

If you got tremendous amount of surplus then why not settle off the housing loan?
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If settle then will be losing the flexibility to take out during emergency. But i need to rethink again after knowing it now.

May I know what is your advise if judge from cost of financing - will it be about the same for paying

i) 3k (35 years), and
ii) ~95% + 3k (17.5 years)??

i) = 3k x 35 x 12
ii) = 570k + (3k x17.5)

both are about 1.2 mil. then why ppl still paying more monthly to reduce interests?

Thanks

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post Dec 7 2017, 07:25 PM

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QUOTE(lifebalance @ Dec 7 2017, 06:53 PM)
Cant calculate that way because housing loan is compounded over a long period of time which is why it's advisable to pay more to incur less interest overtime and finish off your housing loan.
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post Dec 7 2017, 08:55 PM

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Thanks lifebalance and ngph888 for your replies. Really appreciate the advice as both of you are much better than agents/consultants outside, always go beyond your role to help netizens who has doubts in mortgage. rclxms.gif

Also thanks sosobear as your calculation shows practical approach towards the answer and further enlightened me on the concept. biggrin.gif
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post Dec 7 2017, 08:57 PM

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post Dec 8 2017, 11:27 AM

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QUOTE(ngph988 @ Dec 8 2017, 10:53 AM)
Best rate is in range of 4.22 - 4.35%, subject to your personal scoring. Some banks like PBB, MBB and HLB will offer a fixed rate for first 12 months or 24 months. Grab it while promotion lasts.  biggrin.gif
On financial planning, it depends whether you are intend to do prepayment or capital repayment.

You may download the financial calculator apps on Google play or Apps Store, choose loan calculator. There is an item showing extra monthly repayment, just insert accordingly and you will see total interests savings should you put extra money every month to your loan repayment.

However, for a lump sum calculation you can always find out mortgage formula on Internet to calculate. Best way is break down calculation in Microsoft excel and you will see the amortization schedule according to your loan repayment.

Formula as below

M = P [ i(1 + i)n ] / [ (1 + i)n - 1]

M = Monthly repayment
P = Principal
i = Monthly interest
n = number of months
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noted.
mind to elaborate further any difference on prepayment and capital repayment?
which way will save us more?
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post Dec 8 2017, 11:57 AM

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QUOTE(lifebalance @ Dec 8 2017, 11:30 AM)
There is no different on these 2. Especially nowadays if it's a flexi loan then there is only prepayment you can make.

The amount you save is based on the (Amount you put into prepayment x The bank interest) / 12 mths
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Thanks for the clarifications.
Yup last time I asked the bankers they also said it is the same now.
Only different is the withdrawal capability.
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post Jan 20 2018, 02:47 PM

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May I know what should expect if refinance (with other banks) @ 80% ?
Will it subject to DSR as well?

TQ

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post Jan 20 2018, 04:14 PM

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[quote=lifebalance,Jan 20 2018, 03:18 PM]
Same requirement

Don't get it.
Do you know the calculation b4 and after refinance?

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post Jan 20 2018, 06:31 PM

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QUOTE(lifebalance @ Jan 20 2018, 05:08 PM)
Sorry not sure what you're trying to ask.
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post Jan 20 2018, 09:43 PM

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QUOTE(ngph988 @ Jan 20 2018, 07:37 PM)
Well, usually bank may offer up to 90% margin if is refinance first or second property.

It depends whether if you have any cash out portion involve.

Redemption on property. Let's say from bank A to new bank, bank will have their calculation towards the monthly commitment.

And also subject to what type of package customize to client, conventional vs Islamic, first party loan or third party (not all bank comply 3rd party application, subject to their preference as well)

Not to mention the panel valuation. So few factors to determine whether the applicant able to get best package.
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Thanks for the explanations.

Yeah the intention is to cash out equity from existing properties, on those appreciate by a lot over time.

Bank A to new bank should be towards the monthly commitment like you said.

Bank A to Bank A is considered top up loan. 10-year DSR on the cash out portion.
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post Jan 20 2018, 10:13 PM

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QUOTE(ngph988 @ Jan 20 2018, 09:58 PM)
That's right, cash out portion will calculate base on 10 years DSR. Once the amount has been approved, bank will prolong the tenure up to 35 years repayment/70 years old (which ever come first) at your wish.

Refinance will take longer time as new bank will need to execute legal documentation in order to redeem collateral from bank A. Hence, standard procedure will take 3 months at least given property tenure is freehold, leasehold will take much longer as they need to compile document and send to high court for judge to sign consent form. That will probably take 3-6 months, or even more if your property is under leasehold.

Top up loan procedure is much faster as the collateral (title) was charged under existing bank.

Overall, still depending your DSR and valuation. Refinance will impose more costs as the legal fee charges base on loan amount itself whilst legal fee of top up loan base on differences sum.

Let me know if you wish to know more.
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Thanks for the insights.

Which means I need to pass respective DSR, be it for top up loan or refinance with other banks.

Will ping u again as probably need it early next year.
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post Mar 22 2018, 11:28 AM

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QUOTE(ngph988 @ Mar 22 2018, 11:00 AM)
Please find the general guideline of full flexi vs semi flexi.
Full Flexi:
1) Loan Account will be linked to Current Account/Saving Account with cheque book (optional).
2) Interest is based on current outstanding minus any amount payable to the loan. (E.g : Current O/S - credited amount x Effective Interest Rate/100% divide number of days/365 days) Some bank practice 360 days instead.
3) Account opening fees at RM 200 + 6% GST.
4) Account maintenance fees at RM 10 +6% GST.
5) Withdrawal/Deposit of money can be done through over the counter, cheque, ATM or online banking.

Semi Flexi :
1) Bank will request customer to setup a Saving Account link to Loan Account through Standing Instruction (SI).
2) Prepayment or capital payment can be done.
3) Prepayment, placing future repayment to Loan Account and it has to be multiple of your monthly repayment. This will not revoke interests saving on Loan Account.
4) Capital repayment, placing extra payment to Loan Account to reduce principal. Some bank will require you walk in branch to fill up service form.
5) Withdrawal/Deposit of money can be done through over the counter or cheque.

If you simulate a housing loan amortization, the conventional simulation starts from the higher interests repayment and lower capital repayment. From time to time, the interests payment will be reduced whilst extra payment goes to principal.

MBB full flexi has capped principal payment at certain amount hence the monthly repayment will change from time to time.

MBB semi flexi withdrawl fee is RM 25 +6% GST/withdrawal and you may pay extra money to your loan account via online banking without notifying bank.
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For MBB, the advance payment into loan account will have effect in reducing interests too.
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QUOTE(evo5555 @ Mar 26 2018, 01:32 AM)
need to reach a maybank banker for new housing loan.. anybody has a good referrals?
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approach those who worked in banks, than working / processing as 3rd party.
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QUOTE(WahBiang @ Jan 27 2020, 01:01 PM)
Previously some forumers said we can write in to request for lowering the effective rates, but chance is thin... I tried but they rejected...

My queries as below if anyone can help:

1. If refinance, i guess need spend another 10k for just the stamp duty and legal fees?? I heard some banks got promo to absorb them, but is it with higher loan rate?

2. With the drop in OPR, bank will adjust upward the spread to match the original effective rates?? Old loan will drop in eff. rate, but new loan no changes??

3. Market rate for loan of 800k is about 4.2% now for 35years?
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Never heard that, as there are no free stuff for normal individual.

Bank will reject it as there is no obligation to do so. Not like FD whereby one can have huge amount and nego for slight higher with special approval.

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post Jun 5 2020, 09:43 PM

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QUOTE(WahBiang @ Jun 5 2020, 09:04 PM)
Any insider news on the new loan limit for third property priced above 600k for each bank? 90%, 85%, 80%,..
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There will be no insider news as eventually it's transparent to everyone if any

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post Jun 5 2020, 10:00 PM

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QUOTE(WahBiang @ Jun 5 2020, 09:46 PM)
then you got the trasnparent news?
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Just wait la.. now banks are reacting to it and definitely won't be immediate..
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QUOTE(WahBiang @ Jun 5 2020, 10:42 PM)
Too bad, the early bird catch the worms.
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Nothing to do with bird or worms actually
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QUOTE(WahBiang @ Jun 14 2020, 11:57 PM)
Curious on Bank B, is it really fixed loan rate? or it is just normal term loan? may I know the bank name? kindly pm, thanks.
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