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post Aug 26 2021, 12:32 PM

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QUOTE(stevendefool @ Aug 26 2021, 10:51 AM)
Dear sifus, would like your input on the following matter.

Father wants to remortgage a property which is under his name. However, he’s retired and no more monthly income.

I’m currently working and have no commitments. Can me and my father do a joint loan where I will be responsible in paying the monthly repayments while the property is still under his name?

Would this be considered a 3rd party loan?
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Father age? if above age 65, sorry your father tak boleh become borrower but he can still be a "KYC" customer
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reason for remortgaging? renovation purposes? no commitment is actually not a good thing as bank do not know your repayment records, but it is not a bad thing la... with a low cash out ratio, you might still have a chance at approval

yes, this is a 3rd party loan


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post Aug 26 2021, 06:48 PM

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QUOTE(Seth Ho @ Aug 26 2021, 03:51 PM)
I am buying a first house scheme

Facility amount : RM 270,000
MRTA : RM 12,987
Tenure : 35 Yrs
Margin of Finance : 100%
Interest rate : 3.3%
Monthly instalment amount : RM 1,138
Facility amount : RM 270,000
MRTA : RM 8,540
Tenure : 35 Yrs
Margin of Finance : 90%
Interest rate : 3.15%

I ask the mortgate agent they say my house loan too low so interest rate is higher. is it true? as i thought i could get 3% interest rate at 100% loan for first home buyer
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Yes. perfectly normal
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post Nov 17 2021, 12:12 PM

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QUOTE(bionism @ Nov 16 2021, 07:47 PM)
Hi everyone need some help

I am in a situation where I have found a serviced apartment that I am interested in. The sales agent has proceed to look for loan offer for me. In this situation, the banker has manage to secure 2.9% of interest for me. He is advising me to sign the loan offer first even though the project is yet to secure APDL.

The service apartment is yet to launch but I have a few questions:

1. Should I sign on the loan offer first? Will there be any penalty imposed on me if I do not proceed with purchasing the property just in case there is a change of mind later on?

2. How long will a loan offer be valid?

Thank you everyone in advance
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1. normally no. even though the offer letter states that there is penalty. normally penalty will incur when u sign the loan agreement. letter offer is fine, for you to lock the rate. the only worry is when u cancel the loan and apply for a new one, the time involved might be lengthen and late payment interest might come to play

2. after approval, it will last for 14 days; after acceptance, it will last for a year or so
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post May 30 2022, 12:19 PM

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QUOTE(~~5ive~~ @ May 29 2022, 11:38 PM)
Can someone share what is the average or safe DSR to use?
Want to have some rough calculation to see the maximum loan amount i can afford. Thanks
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nett income below 3000
50%

nett income > 3000 and < 5000
60%

nett income > 5000 and < 8000
70%

nett income > 8000
80% to 90%

above % are against NETT INCOME

*sample only* but fit most of the banks
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post May 30 2022, 12:21 PM

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QUOTE(bsvanan @ May 28 2022, 12:24 AM)
HSBC
3.3%
450k
35yrs
All fee absorbed by bank
total sum = 450k

MBB
3.1%
440k
35yrs
pay legal fee etc 9k (to include in loan)
total sum = 449k

which one is advised to take?
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MBB anytime
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post Jun 1 2022, 04:24 PM

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QUOTE(Reversse @ May 30 2022, 05:41 PM)
Just got an offer from RHB. Is it a good offer? And should I wait for others? As I heard from my lawyer that RHB is troublesome when it comes to releasing the payment to Vendor.

RHB (100% loan)
3.2
450K
35 Years
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3.05 is achievable (subject to good profile)
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post Jun 1 2022, 04:26 PM

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QUOTE(deprozer @ May 31 2022, 04:52 PM)
Hello, need an opinion 🙏🏼

We were waiting in a list for a unit, and apparently only affin bank came back to us with below package (managed to secure the unit because our loan was approved first?)

Current approval:

Islamic financing
Financing: 1,053,054
Mrtt premium: 58,594
Profit rate: 3.15%

It’s a bit on the higher side isn’t? But from what i gathered from maybank last time, we might only get 70% of the loan.

According to agent, public bank affin and maybank get the lowest rate. Not sure to just accept this package or if we actually have options to choose others.
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3.05 is achievable now with or without mrta/ mrtt
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post Jun 24 2022, 11:22 AM

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QUOTE(briggs86 @ Jun 23 2022, 06:40 PM)
Bank A ( HLB semi Flex)
Loan amount: RM 889,200
Tenure:33 years
3.05% monthly
Installment :RM 3,565
No insurance ( have to source insurance)

Bank B (RHB Ful Flex)
(option 1)
Loan Tenure: 35 years
Loan amount: RM 889,200 (90%)
CLTA finance in loan : RM 48,781
Total Loan amount : RM 937,981
Monthly repayment: RM 3,637
CLTA (level term schedule)
covered 626k 65% of loan 25 years

Option 2
cover 20 years , 854k fix level term (CLTA ) , Premium RM 44,298
RM 3,619

Option 3
Cover 10years RM 889,200 (90% of loan) + Premium RM 18,524 = RM 907,724
Installment RM 3,519

Shall i take offer Bank A then get for  outsider insurance ? 1st time buying a home  rclxub.gif
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IMHO,having some insurance is always good, but insurance bundling is always a bad idea as statically bank's average retention period is 7 years
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post Jun 29 2022, 09:49 AM

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QUOTE(nick_km @ Jun 28 2022, 09:49 AM)
Dear Sifus,

Any opinion on what to consider when it comes to spread rate offered by bank?

Currently I have 2 offers, one is BR +0.17% and another is BR +0.53%.

As per conversation, the banker told me that higher spread rate means better position for the bank (more profitable) as they have more flexibility to maintain BR.

Whereas lower spread rate is exposed to volatile BR, as it might not be enough to sustain the bank's current cashflow, hence there might a possibility that bank increases BR without increase in OPR.
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I disagree.

BR is variable and the spread is fixed. Logically speaking, the lower the spread the merrier as the bank earns u less. The only thing that you need to concern about is the effective interest rate (EIR).

The only way to gauge how far you will be impacted along the line is to look at the Preceding mechanism (BLR) as a reference. Last time banks pact against each other to offer identical BLR (6.6,6.3,6.05 etc etc) except Cxtxbank and a few other smaller banks. Assuming you have gotten an offer of BLR-2 in the year of 2012,

BLR in 2012 : 6.3
EIR is 6.3-2 = 4.3

Now take a look at BNM official website BNM and compare the differences.

All I can say is mbb is the best among all the mainstream banks and CIMB is the worst with a 0.20 or 20 basis points diff.

To put the above into perspective, some of the lower BR offering banks are not really offering a low BLR rate, and history might repeat itself when the new SBR come into play later in this year.

Hope this helps

This post has been edited by kok_pun: Jun 29 2022, 09:51 AM
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post Jun 30 2022, 04:47 PM

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QUOTE(nick_km @ Jun 30 2022, 01:23 PM)
Dear Sifus,

Hi everyone. Me again. Sorry but I need some opinion on this matter.

LPPSA loan is fixed at 4% for the entire loan tenure. This is currently higher that bank loan offers that I got (currently at 3.05%).
Repayment for LPPSA loan only kicks in after Progress Billing of 95% by the developer (in my case, completion is scheduled for June 2024).
Repayment for bank loan will start upon first drawdown by bank which is around June 2023. By then I am pretty sure the interest rate ain't gonna be 3.05% anymore.

So in your opinion, should I take the gamble and go for LPPSA considering that bank interest rate might go beyond 4% by June 2024? Or its unlikely to hit that high that fast?
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try looking at Schedule H, i am more interested to know how much is the first drawdown in June 2023, and how much interest you would be paying for June 2023 til June 2024.

Second question: 1 year period for completion of construction? Super developer?

imho, by june 2023 it could be 3.5% to 3.7%, the trend now is 0.25% every 6 months...
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post Jul 1 2022, 11:25 AM

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QUOTE(fifyfofum @ Jun 30 2022, 06:22 PM)
Hi all, appreciate any info. Is it more worth to get a 1mil life insurance or mrta ? I've been offered around 36k mrta for a loan amount of 750k
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MLTA gives you cash back and flexibility and freedom to transfer
MRTA ensures the money is not misused but to offset the bank's debts

to each their own
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post Jul 1 2022, 11:47 AM

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QUOTE(nick_km @ Jul 1 2022, 10:44 AM)
I am planning to take 55% loan.

Hence for bank loan, the first repayment is scheduled to kick in June 2023 when PB of 55%. Rough calculation based on EIR of 3.05% suggests interest paid of RM12,388.22 for the first year.

For LPPSA loan, repayment only starts upon PB of 95% (completion is estimated by June 2024).
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Assuming the difference in rate is 0.5% by june 2024:

You did not specify the amount of loan taken, but looking at the amount of interest (RM12,388), i reverse calculate it to be rm400,000 ( correct me if I am wrong)

assuming payment is consistent for both bank loan and govt loan (for comparison purposes)

loan RM400,000
tenure 420 months
monthly repayment RM1,771

Bank loan :
interest rate 3.5%
initial interest - RM12,388
cumulative interest in 5 years - RM66,697
outstanding RM 360,437

Govt loan :
interest rate 4%
initial interest - RM0
cumulative interest in 5 years - RM77,243
outstanding RM 370,977

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IN CONCLUSION:
Bank VS Govt

difference in interest:
RM12,388 + RM66,697 - RM77,243 = - RM,1842

difference in outstanding:
RM 360,437 - RM 370,977 = RM 10,162

RM 10,162 - RM 1,842 = RM 8,320 (Bank loan is still better)
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post Jul 5 2022, 03:11 PM

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QUOTE(yhl84 @ Jul 2 2022, 08:22 PM)
any experience bankers can provide some guidance?
why banks still reject or provide lesser than 90% LTV even DSR is within acceptable range, CC utilisation is low (<20%), with fixed income in locally listed MNC, no late payment record in CCRIS
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maybe due to project limitations...
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post Jul 7 2022, 05:03 PM

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QUOTE(calvin_kenni @ Jul 7 2022, 08:23 AM)
hi, i'm getting a joint loan

Bank R

SPA 1,645,000.00
MOF 90%= 1,480,500.00
MRTA= 32,126.86 (sum insured each applicant 740,250 20 years)
total loan= 1,512,626.86
installment= 5,907.00
loan tenure= 35 years
interest= 3.05% (2.75+0.3 - before OPR hike)

questions - which is the more sensible choice?
1. Appeal for minimum MRTA to keep the ELR at minimum
2. do or die, just increase the MRTA to 35 years for better protection
3. keep as such it is, just ensure to pay off the property after 20 years but at risk of low cash reserve

many thanks
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My take is skip the MRTA.

You can purchase a debts cancellation assurance or top up your existing life insurance.

If skipping the mrta constitute a higher rate, take the bare minimum.

You need to service the loan plus interest to mrta and in case of liquidity, mrta only pay direct to bank leaving you with no extra cash to service the loan instalment during the transitional period upon one’s demise.

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post Jul 13 2022, 12:48 PM

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QUOTE(Micky78 @ Jul 13 2022, 11:20 AM)
why high rate is good? thanks
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High interest rate in MRTA is good.

MRTA is mortgage reducing term assurance.

If the interest rate is low that means the coverage is reducing at a steeper rate. On the contrary if the interest rate is high, that means the amount of coverage will not be decreasing faster and factoring:

1) rate changes
2) annual homeowner general insurance fee
3) monthly service charge rm10

Etc etc. , a higher interest rate provides a better coverages.

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post Jul 14 2022, 12:41 AM

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QUOTE(MNH @ Jul 13 2022, 07:39 PM)
Mrtt offered not covered tenure years of 35 years. That's why I plan to take mltt
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Sometimes minimum mrtt also need around 2% of purchase price (a few banks I know do this). Since it is 0.05%, u can just skip it altogether
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post Jul 15 2022, 10:40 AM

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QUOTE(fiishy @ Jul 14 2022, 08:37 AM)
just got feedback from banker, they will use our source of income - 34% (epf and pcb) x 80% dsr for loan... may i know is this all same for all bank ?
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for middle income level (5k to 10k) this is a quite accurate estimation

for lower income, source of income -23% and 60% (some deduct extra Nett disposal income)

for higher income, the dsr can go up to 90%

there is no fixed method, every quarter there are minor (or major) changes in the lending guidelines
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post Jul 21 2022, 11:22 AM

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QUOTE(ckkean @ Jul 19 2022, 07:55 PM)
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Can someone advice me why the bank sales price can become mpre than triple price of my bank loan? Hopefully someone can help me yo clarify this. Thanks.
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In Islamic contract of sale, the Islamic bank acts upon client’s request to purchase the property on client’s behalf.

The bank then receive contractual payments from the client on the basis of profit sharing.

The profit rate (IBR- base finance rate) is levied on the calculation of each payment

However, in Islamic financing, there must be an element of “certainty”, thus there is a capped ceiling profit rate (CPR), which is the maximum the Islamic bank is allowed to obtain profit sharing from you.

Don’t be worry about the interest of 3x. That is only a “simulation” if the profit sharing is 10%. Your Rate will remain as IBR + 2.00% as of now and unlikely to hit 10% in the near future
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post Jul 26 2022, 11:52 AM

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QUOTE(IefGnow @ Jul 25 2022, 11:56 PM)
Hi all, I have a couple of questions:-

1) I was told that when we buy a property under construction, and we sign the SPA and Loan Agreement, the SPA will be executed and copies given to us within a few weeks. However the Loan agreement with Bank does not get finalized and stamped until the first disbursement is paid out to developer, meaning we only get the final signed and stamped Loan agreement copy in a few months time after signing. Is this correct?

2) lawyer warned me that some (under construction) progress payments may be disbursed to developer LATE by the banks, and if that happens developer can charge us (the buyers) late interest. But it’s the banks fault for disbursing late! Anyone has any experience with this type of situation? Is it really that unfair or does this rarely happen?

Thanks all Sifus and experts!
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1) you should be getting the loan agreement copy after the loan has been “executed”. From what I see, your loan is only executed recently.

2) LPI is levied by the developer to you if there is a delay in payment. Bank will disburse upon developer’s billing according to schedule H. So normally won’t have issues. Anyhow, if there is LPI, u can always request the sequence of events and see who is at fault.

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post Aug 29 2022, 12:29 PM

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QUOTE(kanz1986 @ Aug 17 2022, 04:45 PM)
Hi there Sifus. Hope everyones is doing well. Would like to ask if anyone here could assist my doubts about semi flexi loan repayments. Below are just numbers for reference.

Assuming my loan is 500k for 35years, monthly repayment is 2k for principle and 500 for interest.

If I managed to advance payment 500k into the loan account, would it mean that I would need to just pay 2k per month for 35years?
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2000 principle and 500 as interest that means 2500 monthly commitment.

If you dump in 500k into a 500k loan, it might trigger force early settlement OR capping on interest saved.

Check your CCRISS, if the monthly commitment is rm2500, you still need to pay rm2500, not rm2000.

Back to your question, The 500k will knock off the monthly interest, but all your rm2500 will go into the principle payment instead of rm2000 into principle: rm500 into interest.

Hope this helps

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