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tryifelsecatch
post Mar 24 2016, 08:25 AM

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QUOTE(Madgeniusfigo @ Mar 24 2016, 08:08 AM)
Dear tryifelsecatch

1. If you purchase 15 years mrta and then renew again after 15 years, in calculation that would be very expensive you know? 15 years later the premium will be according to your new age.

2. that it simply this way, MRTA is for short term gain, MLTA is for long term gain. You need small capital for short term gain and more capital for long term gain.

It depends on your cash flow, if you have healthy cash flow, take MLTA

If you fancy a more comprehensive and thorough protection, take MLTA

If you prefer cheap and short term protection, take MRTA

3. Question of the day, do you know that if you take MRTA, there's a chances that your loan disbursement will be affected?  biggrin.gif
please enlighten me on question no.3
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post Mar 24 2016, 08:56 AM

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QUOTE(Madgeniusfigo @ Mar 24 2016, 08:10 AM)
Dear,

that it simply this way, MRTA is for short term gain, MLTA is for long term gain. You need small capital for short term gain and more capital for long term gain.

It depends on your cash flow, if you have healthy cash flow, take MLTA

If you fancy a more comprehensive and thorough protection, take MLTA

If you prefer cheap and short term protection, take MRTA
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i've been quoted MRTA 15yrs and MLTA 10yrs coverage.

what's dumbfounded me is that the short tenure coverage. if anything happened >15yrs (MRTA), there's no coverage and yet monthly instalment continues.

btw, if my loan tenure is 35yrs, what's the best MRTA/MLTA coverage tenure? 20yrs? 25yrs? or max till 30-35yrs (insane premium amount)?

**Assuming i'll be dumping excess money to reduce principal.**

This post has been edited by cybpsych: Mar 24 2016, 08:57 AM
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QUOTE(tryifelsecatch @ Mar 24 2016, 08:25 AM)
please enlighten me on question no.3
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This will on affect you in the event your mrta is rejected by the insurance company due to health reason. Certain banks make it compulsory for mrta approval otherwise loan will not be disbursed to you. I can't tell you which banks has that requirement. To be safe, you can either use banks that doesn't push mrta coverage or if you know you have health issue. You can try to apply under mlta and see how the underwriter write your case.
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QUOTE(cybpsych @ Mar 24 2016, 08:56 AM)
i've been quoted MRTA 15yrs and MLTA 10yrs coverage.

what's dumbfounded me is that the short tenure coverage. if anything happened >15yrs (MRTA), there's no coverage and yet monthly instalment continues.

btw, if my loan tenure is 35yrs, what's the best MRTA/MLTA coverage tenure? 20yrs? 25yrs? or max till 30-35yrs (insane premium amount)?

**Assuming i'll be dumping excess money to reduce principal.**
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It's best to maximise the tenure for mrta to 35 years or otherwise get mlta as mlta can last until you're 100 years old but of course you can choose to cash out anytime on the policy.

Mrta is on reducing term thus your coverage will fall faster than your loan installment due to the shorter tenure coverage. However like I said. If you're on a budget then go for mrta shorter tenure but it's going to hit you with reducing coverage. The depreciation will be very high on your sum assured.

Mlta if you can afford it will definitely cover you on level term and thus you don't have to worry down the road should anything happen to you.

It's always better to get a consultant to draw it out for you and explain throughly and then make your decision from there.

This post has been edited by lifebalance: Mar 24 2016, 09:16 AM
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post Mar 24 2016, 09:25 AM

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QUOTE(lifebalance @ Mar 24 2016, 09:14 AM)
It's best to maximise the tenure for mrta to 35 years or otherwise get mlta as mlta can last until you're 100 years old.

Mrta is on reducing term thus your coverage will fall faster than your loan installment due to the shorter tenure coverage. However like I said. If you're on a budget then go for mrta shorter tenure but it's going to hit you with reducing coverage. The depreciation will be very high on your sum assured.

Mlta if you can afford it will definitely cover you on level term and thus you don't have to worry down the road should anything happen to you.

It's always better to get a consultant to draw it out for you and explain throughly and then make your decision from there.
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currently, i'm considering MRTA 30yrs coverage (against 35yrs loan tenure). 5yrs difference is acceptable for me.

however, parents are asking if I could reduce MRTA to 25yrs which is suffice since my excess fund dumping could've reduced the loan tenure to 20-25yrs (hence max out MRTA to 25yrs instead, ngamngam to cover whatever remaining).

purpose for MRTA consideration is purely on mortage insurance. nothing else, not savings, etc.

This post has been edited by cybpsych: Mar 24 2016, 09:26 AM
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QUOTE(joshuaa85 @ Mar 23 2016, 11:37 PM)
blink.gif  YA la, i know. monthly installment already heavy burden liao
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Erme...ya...i think is better to have protection. Who knows neighbour's fire kena us.. But when the bill comes really sakit hati lah..
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QUOTE(cybpsych @ Mar 24 2016, 09:25 AM)
currently, i'm considering MRTA 30yrs coverage (against 35yrs loan tenure). 5yrs difference is acceptable for me.

however, parents are asking if I could reduce MRTA to 25yrs which is suffice since my excess fund dumping could've reduced the loan tenure to 20-25yrs (hence max out MRTA to 25yrs instead, ngamngam to cover whatever remaining).

purpose for MRTA consideration is purely on mortage insurance. nothing else, not savings, etc.
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When if you do plan to dump in money as principle to reduce the interest then I guess 30 or 25 years tenure should not be a problem. You will need to calculate how much interest you have effectively reduce from there on and then match it with the tenure of the mrta
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QUOTE(lifebalance @ Mar 24 2016, 09:29 AM)
When if you do plan to dump in money as principle to reduce the interest then I guess 30 or 25 years tenure should not be a problem. You will need to calculate how much interest you have effectively reduce from there on and then match it with the tenure of the mrta
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yep, that's the idea.

so far, mrta 30yrs is balanced, in terms of monthly installment and peace of mind on the mortgage for next 30yrs.

excess fund dumping could be used for other matters, who knows what we need with the cash later (emergencies, kids, etc)

thanks biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(cybpsych @ Mar 24 2016, 09:32 AM)
yep, that's the idea.

so far, mrta 30yrs is balanced, in terms of monthly installment and peace of mind on the mortgage for next 30yrs.

excess fund dumping could be used for other matters, who knows what we need with the cash later (emergencies, kids, etc)

thanks  biggrin.gif
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Yeap yeap you may proceed with the mrta already biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(cybpsych @ Mar 24 2016, 09:56 AM)
i've been quoted MRTA 15yrs and MLTA 10yrs coverage.

what's dumbfounded me is that the short tenure coverage. if anything happened >15yrs (MRTA), there's no coverage and yet monthly instalment continues.

btw, if my loan tenure is 35yrs, what's the best MRTA/MLTA coverage tenure? 20yrs? 25yrs? or max till 30-35yrs (insane premium amount)?

**Assuming i'll be dumping excess money to reduce principal.**

currently, i'm considering MRTA 30yrs coverage (against 35yrs loan tenure). 5yrs difference is acceptable for me.

however, parents are asking if I could reduce MRTA to 25yrs which is suffice since my excess fund dumping could've reduced the loan tenure to 20-25yrs (hence max out MRTA to 25yrs instead, ngamngam to cover whatever remaining).

purpose for MRTA consideration is purely on mortage insurance. nothing else, not savings, etc.
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Dear,

1. That's the general mistake in this industry, banker never consult and asked client what's their need for MRTA and how long do they need to be insured. They never inform them anything and client knows nothing about it. After loan approval, they had already finance 10 years or 5 years or 20 years into the loan amount. When client asked for a change, they said it will be troublesome need to redo and soo...

Yes, installment will be the same throughout, as you know, you need to pay off the interest charges by the MRTA finance into the loan amount.

2. For Mrta MAX would be 35 years of the loan tenure. MLTA could just cover 35 years, however, it can be customized and cover more than 35 years. There's few type of MLTA.

3. well MRTA and MLTA both is mortgage protection purposes. MLTA usaully expensive because agent simply quote it and beat the purpose as to give high cash value.....

Well, there's no right or wrong for MRTA and MLTA, it really depends on your budget and your perspective. But bear in mind that MRTA isn't transferable when you refinance or sell off your property. You will need to repurchase the MRTA again.
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QUOTE(cybpsych @ Mar 24 2016, 10:32 AM)
yep, that's the idea.

so far, mrta 30yrs is balanced, in terms of monthly installment and peace of mind on the mortgage for next 30yrs.

excess fund dumping could be used for other matters, who knows what we need with the cash later (emergencies, kids, etc)

thanks  biggrin.gif
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Dear,

1. Yeah, you can dump extra cash into the semi/full flexi account for emergency use. Do put cash in it after you have max utilized your investment instruments.


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QUOTE(LNYC @ Mar 24 2016, 10:26 AM)
Erme...ya...i think is better to have protection. Who knows neighbour's fire kena us.. But when the bill comes really sakit hati lah..
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Dear,

It is compulsory, hence there isn't a choice for you not to buy it! haha..
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QUOTE(Madgeniusfigo @ Mar 24 2016, 11:32 AM)
Dear,

1. That's the general mistake in this industry, banker never consult and asked client what's their need for MRTA and how long do they need to be insured. They never inform them anything and client knows nothing about it. After loan approval, they had already finance 10 years or 5 years or 20 years into the loan amount. When client asked for a change, they said it will be troublesome need to redo and soo...

Yes, installment will be the same throughout, as you know, you need to pay off the interest charges by the MRTA finance into the loan amount.

2. For Mrta MAX would be 35 years of the loan tenure. MLTA could just cover 35 years, however, it can be customized and cover more than 35 years. There's few type of MLTA.

3. well MRTA and MLTA both is mortgage protection purposes. MLTA usaully expensive because agent simply quote it and beat the purpose as to give high cash value.....

Well, there's no right or wrong for MRTA and MLTA, it really depends on your budget and your perspective. But bear in mind that MRTA isn't transferable when you refinance or sell off your property. You will need to repurchase the MRTA again.
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thanks.

planning was min premium and cover the loan amount, hence MRTA @ 30yrs coverage best suited my needs.

just cover loan amount. period.

I could've gotten 3rd party MLTA, but it'll kill me each year renewing it. that's a burden. lol
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QUOTE(cybpsych @ Mar 24 2016, 11:40 AM)
thanks.

planning was min premium and cover the loan amount, hence MRTA @ 30yrs coverage best suited my needs.

just cover loan amount. period.

I could've gotten 3rd party MLTA, but it'll kill me each year renewing it. that's a burden. lol
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You can always get it another time once you got better finances
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QUOTE(cybpsych @ Mar 24 2016, 12:40 PM)
thanks.

planning was min premium and cover the loan amount, hence MRTA @ 30yrs coverage best suited my needs.

just cover loan amount. period.

I could've gotten 3rd party MLTA, but it'll kill me each year renewing it. that's a burden. lol
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Dear,

1. That's why it always depend on your budget. biggrin.gif

If My memory serves me fine now, MLTA protection for RM500K age 30, male, Rm150/month

2. Yes if you are comfortable with MRTA price do go for it. No string attached thumbup.gif Important is you understand the pros and cons of it.

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dear all sifu,

I am confuse about the new BR (Base Rate) scheme, I have recently getting an offer from the bank with the ER = 4.45, where BR = 3.65 and Spread = 0.80.

May I know if the spread offer to me will be a fixed value throughout my loan tenure? and how long will the BR get revise by the bank?

When consider on the bank, should I be more concent over the spread or their base rate? for e.g. 2 bank offer me ER4.45 , one with 3.65 + 0.8 and one with 4.00 + 0.45
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QUOTE(tansj83 @ Mar 25 2016, 10:16 AM)
dear all sifu,

I am confuse about the new BR (Base Rate) scheme, I have recently getting an offer from the bank with the ER = 4.45, where BR = 3.65 and Spread = 0.80.

May I know if the spread offer to me will be a fixed value throughout my loan tenure? and how long will the BR get revise by the bank?

When consider on the bank, should I be more concent over the spread or their base rate? for e.g. 2 bank offer me ER4.45 , one with 3.65 + 0.8 and one with 4.00 + 0.45
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Both is the same actually, the base rate + the spread can be increased or decreased at the bank's discretion.

Unless you're opting for AIA fixed rate loan, all other banks are running on fluctuating rate.

So not much concern actually, it's just more transparent to tell you how much is the bank's profit from ur loan. The banks will try to compete to give you the lowest rate possible.
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@lifebalance, thanks for your clarification.

It appears that both BR and Spread are floating value.

So if I am getting a lower ER from the loan offer today doesn't guarantee that I can get the lowest possible interest for my entire tenure.

In this case, what should I be more concern when I choosing my loan with such variable? Should I just aim for the lowest ER ?
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QUOTE(tansj83 @ Mar 25 2016, 10:29 AM)
@lifebalance, thanks for your clarification.

It appears that both BR and Spread are floating value.

So if I am getting a lower ER from the loan offer today doesn't guarantee that I can get the lowest possible interest for my entire tenure.

In this case,  what should I be more concern when I choosing my loan with such variable?  Should I just aim for the lowest ER ?
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Get the lowest as possible such as 4.35% but it will not stick to that rate forever. Just will give you lower rate at the beginning until the bank changes it in the future.
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QUOTE(tansj83 @ Mar 25 2016, 11:16 AM)
dear all sifu,

I am confuse about the new BR (Base Rate) scheme, I have recently getting an offer from the bank with the ER = 4.45, where BR = 3.65 and Spread = 0.80.

May I know if the spread offer to me will be a fixed value throughout my loan tenure? and how long will the BR get revise by the bank?

When consider on the bank, should I be more concent over the spread or their base rate? for e.g. 2 bank offer me ER4.45 , one with 3.65 + 0.8 and one with 4.00 + 0.45
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Dear,

I have covered this topic long time ago, I had written a piece of articles regarding base rate.

1. Yes, spread rate will be fixed

2. every quarter but depends on whether the bank planning to opt for rising it. It's all business strategic planning for them.

3. Just chose a low spread rate, low base rate.

4. However, service of the banks, the package you are offered, the loan in period, how much legal fees are being financed, all comes into calculation and not far off important base/spread rate.

5. if based on mere details of your comparison, chose spread rate 0.45% will be the best.

6. Below is the article that I wrote, do have a read:



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From Year 1983 till Year 2015 1th January, We have been flirting with Base lending rate (BLR) on all our mortgage loan applications. Base lending rate is the minimum interest rate benchmark for every of our floating loan interest rate to charge us the ‘’borrower. The last adjusted BLR rate was 6.85% and what does it mean?

Example:

a)Maybank mortgage loan, Rm500, 000 Property price, 35 years, 2.5% (This is the rate offer by individual bank itself), 100% Margin of finance by bank.
How is the installment calculated?

BLR 6.85 – 2.5%= 4.35% Effective lending rate
The interest rate charged on the loan will use ELR (Effective lending rate) 4.35%, hence the monthly installment would be Rm2320, total interest Rm474, 421

b)If Public bank offer, Rm500,000 property price, 35 years, 2.5% (This is the rate offer by individual bank itself), 100% margin of finance. But with BLR change to 6.95

BLR 6.95 – 2.5%= 4.45% Effective lending rate

The interest rate charged on the loan will use ELR (Effective lending rate) 4.35%, hence the monthly installment would be Rm2350, total interest Rm487, 345

A 0.1% different will cost you Rm12, 925 of interest being paid.

Above example illustrates how BLR affects the total interest being paid after changes made by BNM. Don’t ask me for the formula, just download a

friendly installment calculator apps. I prefer “Simple loan Calculator” app.

What affects the changes of BLR?

It would be the OPR (overnight policy rate) is the so called Malaysia Interest rate and control by Bank Negara Malaysia (BNM).

It affects the interest rate charged between borrowings of banks with central bank. When our economy are under high surge inflation, Property bubbles are growing larger with property price surging 200% mark, too much of easy funky money around.

Too much of inflation is bad for the economy, hence ZETI tightened up the money, slowing down the economy by increasing the cost of borrowing on banks from central bank; this reduces funds available in the market by a slight increasing on interest rate (OPR).

When existing BLR is 6.85, Zeti increases the OPR by 0.1%, hence 6.85%+0.1%=6.95% BLR.
BLR is influence by changes of OPR.

Year BLR%
2014 6.85
2011 6.60
2010 6.30
2010 6.05
2010 5.80
2009 5.55
2008 6.75
2007 6.75
2006 6.00
2005 6.00
2004 6.00
2003 6.50
2002 6.50
2001 6.75

BLR 6.85% as a number doesn’t present much notion to borrower, as 6.85% is not transparent of how the figure is structured and how much profit does the bank collect. Therefore, Base rate are introduced.

2nd January 2015, Base rate is executed in Malaysia! Yay… nah…
Base rates are rate set within individual bank itself and changes to the rate aren’t directly intervened by the central bank alike BLR. Base rate differed across different banks and the rates are set depending on bank own efficiencies in lending; means to the bank liking itself.

Base rate comprising of:

Base rate(Benchmark cost of Funds + SRR) + Spread (profit margin, operating cost, liquidity risk, credit risk)= Effective lending rate
Base rate + Spread = Effective Lending rate

*We always look at the effective lending rate for our final loan interest charge*
Base rate:

a) Benchmark cost of funds are adjusted by banks itself depends on its own valuation of its lending ability.
b) Statutory Reserve Requirement (SRR) are the minimum bank reserve quota set by BNM.
Spread
a) Spread is the margin of profit that banks set according to the borrower risk value.

Fun facts:
1. Base rate is different across different banks.

3. SRR is the reserve requirement that bank needs to uphold, set by BNM. It’s a liquidity management. When BNM believes economy is prospering and lack of funds, it may reduce SRR requirement to keep less money as reserves in bank and have bank lend more fund out for economic activities. This lead to higher loan growth. The changes of Base rate can reflect the effectiveness of Government Monetary Policy.

4. Spread are defined according to the borrower risk profile, but spread rate are mainly fixed when display to public, as most of the borrower holds almost identical risk.

5. Base rate will be adjusted every 3 months, it’s following KLIBOR. Every 3 months we will witness a changes in bank base rate

Example:

Jan OCBC rate 4.02
April OCBC rate 3.92

6. Spread rate will not change and is fixed till the end of the loan tenure

7. even when base rate is superbly low, the effective lending rate in the end could be higher.

Example:

Maybank: Base rate 3.2% + Spread 1.5% =4.7%

OCBC: Base rate 4.02%+ Spread 0.5%=4.52%

It all boil's down on the spread given, hence do look at the effective lending rate instead!!! Shop around and ask your mortgage agent.
Base rate

Pro
a) Greater competition between banks
b) Higher transparency, as bank will display their profit margin and bank lending efficiency
c) Bank loan rate changes will have a higher correlation with Malaysia market economy and OPR.
d) Better indication in monetary policy changes.

Cons
a) Uncertainty. Rate will change every 3 months’ time.
b) There’s a bottom line for how low our loan rate can drop.

Example:

BLR 6.85
6.85-2.5%=4.35%
6.85-2.6%=4.25%

And so on

Base rate
3.2%+ 1.35%= 4.55%
3.2%+2%= 5.2%

BLR is negative in nature, it can go as low as the bank allows it to be.
Base rate is positive in nature, it has a benchmark bottom line. 3.2% is the bottom line and won’t go any further down.
So, what do you think?

What is BFR? And How to choose the best rate for base rate? Should I take the lowest base rate or should I take the lowest spread rate?

*all the base rate quote* (http://www.bnm.gov.my/…/…/base_rates/20150102_base_rates.pdf)


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