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cybpsych
post Mar 15 2016, 09:05 AM

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QUOTE(Madgeniusfigo @ Mar 13 2016, 07:26 PM)
Dear Sáimer,

1. If you need to have a full description of your MLTA, i can provide you.

2. The difference would be as below, laymen terms:

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MRTA
1. REDUCING protection, when interest rate rise, the protection will be reduced and couldn't covered the total loan amount.
2. when you sell or refinance your property, MRTA policy will lapse. You will need to purchase a new one whereby factor in your current age, it will be even more expensive
3. It's only beneficial to the bank
4. Interest will be charged when finance into the loan amount
5. There's a time frame for the amount to be claimed when (death/TPD) occured. 2-4 years. With will writing 2-3 years.

MLTA
1. it is a term protection. Rm500k protection, after 35 years will still be Rm500k
2. When sell or refinance your proeprty, MLTA wouldn't lapse and will still be active.
3. It's beneficial to you
4. There's Hot cash receivable when you lapse the policy. Around 20 years, your cash value receivable will breakeven with total premium paid.
5. Death or TPD occured, it will take 7-30 days to receive the death benefit cash value

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tumpang question.

if MLTA is beneficial to buyer, what's the benefits of MRTA then?

for MLTA, death/tpd benefit, how much do my spouse/nominee receives? if the prop is joint name (me+spouse), the spouse can get death/tpd benefit from MTLA?
cybpsych
post Mar 15 2016, 09:16 AM

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QUOTE(lifebalance @ Mar 15 2016, 09:09 AM)
Hi cybpsych,

Regards to your question, I've answered it earlier

MRTA
- one lump sum payment
- reducing coverage
- non transferable to other property, in other word burnt when you settle off the loan or refinance it
- no cash value
- no critical illness coverage

MLTA
- yearly premium thus cheaper than one lump sum
- increasing coverage
- transferable, thus you save cost
- cash value means you get cheaper ownership
- has critical illness coverage

Regards to your 2nd question
for MLTA, death/tpd benefit, how much do my spouse/nominee receives? if the prop is joint name (me+spouse), the spouse can get death/tpd benefit from MTLA?

Death & TPD Benefit will be paid out depending on whether you've bought the policy for the 1st or 2nd borrower.

E.g You took a loan for 300k under Borrower A & B, have 4 option
1. Get 300k MLTA for Borrower A
2. Get 300k MLTA for Borrower B
3. Get 300k MLTA for Borrower A & B
4. Get 150k MLTA for Borrower A & B

But I would always suggest to get MLTA for the main borrower (the one who forks out the installment)

However, if budget allows, you can always protect Borrower A & B for the full sum of 300k or 150k each.

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thanks.

for a 500k prop value, assuming MLTA 500k for Borrower A (main), what will happen if Borrower A tpd/deceased (per your suggestion to get MLTA for main borrower)?

does Borrower B (spouse) get anything? Do Borrower A need to specifically nominate Borrower B?


premium wise, how much would that be for 500k MLTA?
cybpsych
post Mar 15 2016, 09:44 AM

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QUOTE(lifebalance @ Mar 15 2016, 09:27 AM)
for a 500k prop value, assuming MLTA 500k for Borrower A (main), what will happen if Borrower A tpd/deceased (per your suggestion to get MLTA for main borrower)?
For the loan taken 500k, the MLTA will fully pay off the 500k and the house you've purchased is debt free, meaning you don't have to serve the housing loan interest installment anymore

does Borrower B (spouse) get anything? Do Borrower A need to specifically nominate Borrower B?
premium wise, how much would that be for 500k MLTA?
Borrower B (Spouse) will get 500k if Borrower A nominates the MLTA to Borrower B instead of assigning it to the Bank's name so that the Borrower B can either decide to pay off the 500k entirely to the bank or continue to pay off the installment and use the money for something else.

The premium for MLTA is based on your age, gender, whether you're a smoker or not and your occupation. Feel free to provide me these info over here or via PM so I may quote it accordingly.

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thanks and noted.

shall contact u via PM for advise smile.gif
cybpsych
post Mar 15 2016, 01:27 PM

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Madgeniusfigo thanks for the explanation smile.gif
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post Mar 21 2016, 03:12 PM

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some questions about loan application.

to support my application, where can i get the statement for ASW2020/ASM? will it help?

been going to banks, most need time to print/fee to print savings account statements.

Even Public Mutual will send physical statement via snail mail (p/s: no online account yet).

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post Mar 21 2016, 03:59 PM

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QUOTE(lifebalance @ Mar 21 2016, 03:14 PM)
ASW2020/ASM I think you have to print with their online account. if not, have to request them to print for you. It will help as the dividend can be counted as income.
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thanks.

i cant seem to find the online account registration for ASW2020/ASM blush.gif

any idea where?
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post Mar 21 2016, 04:04 PM

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QUOTE(lifebalance @ Mar 21 2016, 04:00 PM)
biggrin.gif I also don't have such account leh ... maybe can try here ? http://www.asnb.com.my/v3_/asnbv2_6contact.php#pejabatasnb
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dont think there's such online service.

most likely need to visit branch to get the printout.


*update: called PNB. need to visit the Jalan Tun Razak office to get statement (balance, invested since when, etc). Can get statement on the same day. If other branches, may not be same day (didnt ask how long).

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post Mar 21 2016, 10:02 PM

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QUOTE(Madgeniusfigo @ Mar 21 2016, 06:33 PM)
Dear,

Yes, you will need to visit them to get the statement to show the dividend credited. Or if you have the book to show the dividend credited,  can prooced.

2. Well, dividend do help in boosting ur income. Best is if you get 2 years of dividend income shown. 2014 and 2015. Some bank takes 2 years some 1 year

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yeah I got the booklets, will scan them for reference. if not mistaken, q1 dividend coming in soon.
cybpsych
post Mar 23 2016, 10:26 AM

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QUOTE(Madgeniusfigo @ Mar 23 2016, 06:46 AM)
Dear tryifelsecatch,

1. You are right! MRTA able to be finance into the loan amount

For MLTA, yes, certain banks do allow you to finance into the loan amount. Certain Banks.

2. Nope!

Example: (Below figure illustration is fictional, for illustration purposes only! haha)

a. Normal
Rm500k loan/ 4.5%/ 35 years

Installment would be Rm2200

Total interest charge would be Rm410,000

b. Finance either mlta or mrta Rm10,000

Rm510k loan/4.5%/35 years

Installment would be Rm2250

Total interest charge would be RM450,000

- Interest would be higher if finance any extra amount into the loan!
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a follow-up to MLTA/MRTA financing...

i got a banker proposing 15yrs for MRTA about RM5-6k, absorbed into loan. Monthly instalment would be less than rm100 additional.

separately, another banker proposed MLTA with RM3,600 annual premium (RM300 per month). Of course the benefits are better in terms of loan coverage and cash payout. Breakeven point is 20yrs (e.g. after 20yrs loan, the excess cash savings in MLTA can be retrieved to clear the balance house loan. **i could be wrong on the numbers, but somewhere there biggrin.gif**

it'd seems better for MRTA since installment is a bit more. However, if MLTA, i need to budget RM300/mth, but long-term beneficial.

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post Mar 23 2016, 10:39 AM

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QUOTE(lifebalance @ Mar 23 2016, 10:28 AM)
Depends on what type of mlta it is. I got some that can get 100% by 10th year.
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wow, not bad.

lemme get the quota from the banks first.

thanks!
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post Mar 24 2016, 08:56 AM

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QUOTE(Madgeniusfigo @ Mar 24 2016, 08:10 AM)
Dear,

that it simply this way, MRTA is for short term gain, MLTA is for long term gain. You need small capital for short term gain and more capital for long term gain.

It depends on your cash flow, if you have healthy cash flow, take MLTA

If you fancy a more comprehensive and thorough protection, take MLTA

If you prefer cheap and short term protection, take MRTA
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i've been quoted MRTA 15yrs and MLTA 10yrs coverage.

what's dumbfounded me is that the short tenure coverage. if anything happened >15yrs (MRTA), there's no coverage and yet monthly instalment continues.

btw, if my loan tenure is 35yrs, what's the best MRTA/MLTA coverage tenure? 20yrs? 25yrs? or max till 30-35yrs (insane premium amount)?

**Assuming i'll be dumping excess money to reduce principal.**

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post Mar 24 2016, 09:25 AM

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QUOTE(lifebalance @ Mar 24 2016, 09:14 AM)
It's best to maximise the tenure for mrta to 35 years or otherwise get mlta as mlta can last until you're 100 years old.

Mrta is on reducing term thus your coverage will fall faster than your loan installment due to the shorter tenure coverage. However like I said. If you're on a budget then go for mrta shorter tenure but it's going to hit you with reducing coverage. The depreciation will be very high on your sum assured.

Mlta if you can afford it will definitely cover you on level term and thus you don't have to worry down the road should anything happen to you.

It's always better to get a consultant to draw it out for you and explain throughly and then make your decision from there.
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currently, i'm considering MRTA 30yrs coverage (against 35yrs loan tenure). 5yrs difference is acceptable for me.

however, parents are asking if I could reduce MRTA to 25yrs which is suffice since my excess fund dumping could've reduced the loan tenure to 20-25yrs (hence max out MRTA to 25yrs instead, ngamngam to cover whatever remaining).

purpose for MRTA consideration is purely on mortage insurance. nothing else, not savings, etc.

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post Mar 24 2016, 09:32 AM

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QUOTE(lifebalance @ Mar 24 2016, 09:29 AM)
When if you do plan to dump in money as principle to reduce the interest then I guess 30 or 25 years tenure should not be a problem. You will need to calculate how much interest you have effectively reduce from there on and then match it with the tenure of the mrta
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yep, that's the idea.

so far, mrta 30yrs is balanced, in terms of monthly installment and peace of mind on the mortgage for next 30yrs.

excess fund dumping could be used for other matters, who knows what we need with the cash later (emergencies, kids, etc)

thanks biggrin.gif
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post Mar 24 2016, 11:40 AM

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QUOTE(Madgeniusfigo @ Mar 24 2016, 11:32 AM)
Dear,

1. That's the general mistake in this industry, banker never consult and asked client what's their need for MRTA and how long do they need to be insured. They never inform them anything and client knows nothing about it. After loan approval, they had already finance 10 years or 5 years or 20 years into the loan amount. When client asked for a change, they said it will be troublesome need to redo and soo...

Yes, installment will be the same throughout, as you know, you need to pay off the interest charges by the MRTA finance into the loan amount.

2. For Mrta MAX would be 35 years of the loan tenure. MLTA could just cover 35 years, however, it can be customized and cover more than 35 years. There's few type of MLTA.

3. well MRTA and MLTA both is mortgage protection purposes. MLTA usaully expensive because agent simply quote it and beat the purpose as to give high cash value.....

Well, there's no right or wrong for MRTA and MLTA, it really depends on your budget and your perspective. But bear in mind that MRTA isn't transferable when you refinance or sell off your property. You will need to repurchase the MRTA again.
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thanks.

planning was min premium and cover the loan amount, hence MRTA @ 30yrs coverage best suited my needs.

just cover loan amount. period.

I could've gotten 3rd party MLTA, but it'll kill me each year renewing it. that's a burden. lol
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post Jun 14 2016, 08:00 AM

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i got a question 'bout EPF Acc 2 Withdrawal for Housing Loan Monthly Installment


if my existing property's loan is from government loan (monthly deduct from my pay). Financier would be LEMBAGA PEMBIAYAAN PERUMAHAN SEKTOR AWAM @ https://sppb.lppsa.gov.my

1) am i eligible to request this EPF withdrawal? i dont see any exclusion clause for this.

2) it requires a standardized Loan Balance Statement Format before submit to KWSP to process. Do i need to get the proper format from govt/lembaga pembiayaan perumahan sektor awam?

3) where do i do this request? putrajaya?


thanks.
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post Jul 13 2016, 03:37 PM

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Bank Negara cuts OPR to 3%, how will it affect BR?

noob on this blush.gif
cybpsych
post Jul 13 2016, 03:54 PM

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QUOTE(Jasoncat @ Jul 13 2016, 03:44 PM)
Very very likely it will.
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will it increase or decrease? blush.gif
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post Jul 13 2016, 04:07 PM

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QUOTE(fuzzy @ Jul 13 2016, 04:01 PM)
Lower.
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thanks

QUOTE(Jasoncat @ Jul 13 2016, 04:04 PM)
It shall follow the same direction of OPR which in this case a decrease.
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thanks, understood the relationsship liao

QUOTE(lifebalance @ Jul 13 2016, 04:05 PM)
The last decrese caused the BR to increase so not sure about this recent decrease. Most probably wait and see.
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yeah, hope BR reduced this time around sweat.gif
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QUOTE(Madgeniusfigo @ Jul 13 2016, 04:24 PM)
Dear,

Well high possibility that the rate will slides according to OPR direction, however bank has their autonomy to stay firm with their current rate in accordance with their business strategy for mortgage portfolio. Hence observe and hope for the best  thumbup.gif

Cheers
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yeah, banks may not necessarily/strictly follow OPR's direction.

i've check with my CIMB loan officer, no news yet on BR movement.
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post Jul 13 2016, 04:59 PM

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QUOTE(lifebalance @ Jul 13 2016, 04:56 PM)
Bank using BR rate now, doesn't mean that OPR % decrease necessarily cause Bank to lower down their interest, they would like to earn a profit out of this, but if any other competition decides to be competitive then they might lower down the interest rate on special approval basis instead of mass market.
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yeah, i foresee wait-and-see attitude by some banks.

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