Last week end went to symphony life show room and pretended to be a new customer. Heard the sales people told the patrons all about the wharf retail mall again. They didn't know I am a victim and showed me the model of the wharf mall and news printout about the zones and they won't stop talking about the mall and making promises.

They told me the mall will be there when during my VP. I tot to myself ....They keep telling people that since 2009.

Elevia apartments stand for more than rm500 psf. Villas about rm450 psf. They said some think the pricing is ambitious but they are going to build a mall and so the value is there.

For those who bought wharf projects and were told that the mall will be there during VP, heed this.

Before they take your money, they said you will have the mall and good value during your grand VP, after they take your money, they tell you the mall is not in the sales agreement and they reserve the right to build it later or put something different there.

I am a flexi suite owner, I feel sorry for myself and those who bought the wharf projects and paid for something that isn't there.

Looks like they are allowed to lie and con the public in broad day light and can do it for many years.

There is no mall. Buyers beware

from march - june, many viewers, but all said they will rent only when there is a mall.

After june market cool down, fewer viewers but still said they will wait for the mall to come.

Now I am busy with the defect list, it is long and the biggest defect is the structure and layout, I should have 2 rooms but they build it wrongly...no rooms and only 4 walls.

I am not the only one, at least 4 other suite owners I know have the same problem. When they start to work down the defect list, the hammering and wall installation make the leaks wall cracks burst pipes worse.

I tot everyone knows that flexi suites come with 2-3 rooms? You can ask the developer to show you the layout. They still have them in their sales office, it says that clearly, 1 big partition in the middle of the unit, some layouts have 2 partitions, 1 big and 1 small, making that 3 rooms.

If you talk to the staff in the sales office, they can show you the layout.

This is what their lawyers told me too, it is a sales pitch and the developer has done nothing wrong. The responsibility lies with the people who believe this pitch.

They also told me that I am the only one who complain about many defects because other owners have no problems and are very happy with the VP, they think I am too fussy.

I cried not because I spill my milk, I can always buy a new carton, its on sale sometimes.

I cry because I just started a new family and my life savings go down the drain for something I cannot use or rent or sell, and knowing that it is because of a simple sale pitch and I too stupid to think a big company with history will not lie. even more stupid to think the law will protect us.

so I share this with you, people who think I make the problems up and this developer can be trusted, can go ahead and buy from symphony life. it is a free market and you are the king of your money, no one have the right to stop you.

the layout is in the snp, so they did not argue only took months to try to put the walls back. I just don't think they should use the owners time to do it. every developer has defects, i get that and I accept that, but you have to be in my shoe to know this is no small defect, the unit is not finished and they give VP.

i did ask them to put down the promise of the mall in the snp, they said no such thing, snp only covers the unit I buy and the terms do the same.

you buy from the developer you only use their lawyer and their lawyer said the developer's word is good enough because they are a big company, and I trusted the lawyer and the developer.

I never think it is all the developer's fault, and I agree with you. If I had been wiser... smarter.. less eager to benefit from investments, life can be much better.

but I don't think this is about who share more fault, it is about letting people know and letting them decide for themselves what to believe and what to do with their hard-earned money.

it is a dual key unit, like it means you have 2 units when you buy one. So the walls are in the SPA.

If you look for bizwalk flexi suites in the property listing websites, you can find pictures of the layout, it is very clear they should have rooms and it is in the SPA.

hope this can help explain it better

This post has been edited by JustineFaye: Dec 9 2014, 04:10 PM

Last time I attached the picture by one owner containing part of the report about the structure of the building, the thread gone missing,

best i can do now is http://pictures.my.ippstatic.com/realtors/...de3def75d4a.png

hope they don't remove this whole thread

HAHAHAHAHA... you are funny, I think Symphony Life is also thinking the same thought "bunch of bozos, stupid enough to buy from me"

Q: What is the difference between investing in Symphony Life Berhad and sleeping with the Bulls?
A: You deal with a lot less bullshit sleeping with the bulls.

ty, but my purpose is not to complain here about my plight, but to question the developer about the missing mall.
Notice how the people skillfully divert the topic into defects and discredit me from there, the the topic of the MISSING MALL is again lost in the thread.
This happen in other forums too, good job Symphony Life
I think the topic of the MISSING Wharf Retail mall has become much more sensitive than the topic of religion in Malaysia.

I tried, they put this under the defect list and take their time to rectify the problems. People who think you can sue the developer for this and win is dreaming.
Our friend here think we are bozos for investing in Symphony Life, I think the system is bozo too, do you think Symphony Life bribe or not bribe the authority to allow them to operate like conman and get away with it?

my friend told me if you want free travel to the moon can go complain about them in the SL facebook because they block and kick people to the moon there for complaining.

ahhemmm, LIVE FROM PTLM - - - -

Mr Ajib Adi — 1 starPage that Bias to developer, where by delete our complaint post about developer TITIJAYA that not pay my DIBS until effected my CCRIS. Don't know how much developer pay for delete it. Pls be neutral and being platforms to purchaser like we.

November 28, 2014 · 10 Reviews

PropertyTalk & Lifestyle Malaysia - We do not get any single sen paid by anyone. Pls do not push your personal frustration to our mainstream feed as we need to get on with other things. TQ
November 30, 2014 at 5:31am · Edited

Ajib Adi - I believe when we talk about property and care others too we need to share with other what happened and this is not my only one guy personal issue as we need to share it to other to protect them too to avoid others become victims too. Not only make sales and post new launch but care to others also by sharing news like this is very important amd part of social responsibility. Unless if we just care about our personal $$$$
November 30, 2014 at 7:21am · Edited

ptlm don't kick people to the moon, they kick people to mars

PTLM remind me of a fellow malaysian neighbour telling his foreigner friend that malaysia polis never for once take bribes.

but ty for the tips, dnt strt new thread, gently comment ........

its not just bear in mind, the media publication and public forums all state they will complete the mall by 2013, if you google wharf shopping mall 2013 online. their yearly report also state they will build since 2011 but every year they keep saying the same thing EVERY YEAR like they will break ground for the mall "this year". it is much much more than just a verbal promise.

sure. we can sue but cannot get compensated because this is one that has cause no liquidated damages to buyers, or at least it is very hard to prove.

Some wharf units owners banded together in 2014 there are lawyers among them and discuss possible legal action. the media promising to build the mall in 2013 is as binding as any SnP BUT owners cannot show liquidated money damages because Bolton's lawyers argued the missing mall has not caused any provable money loss. in fact Bolton argue and can prove that property prices increased after VP, even without the mall. Bolton also played victim card by saying MPSJ always reject their permit application for the mall.

funny thing is Bolton doesn't encounter hardship getting permit for all residential projects but for 1 mall they are rejected tens of times over last 7 years.

they really think the buyers are stupid.

some owners sue over defect issues and won small amount is because Bolton allow them to win to make the playing field look fair, so gullible future buyers will believe that the law will protect them even if it is a bad investment.

now we are asking them to keep their promise by spending hundreds of millions to build the mall. it is a total different story now. they can spend lot less than that keeping some judges and more lawyers in their pockets so we can never win.

the lawyers think Bolton will do everything in their power to fight us because they cannot lose, loosing means they cannot use this empty promise shopping mall trick to sell future projects and also will invite more owners to sue them in future.

you are right, the onli way now is to get the media in. maybe the politicians too.


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newest update - owners with source inside Bolton say all these talk about condos semi terrace is not confirm and can be just Bolton's trickery because they keep changing their stories and minds.

owners think bolton's real intention is to use the empty land as a ruse to trick people into buying up their nearby future projects, as long as one day there is a hope for a mall in this empty land, people will buy their nearby projects.
bolton don't want to spend a single cent to build the mall but they need the people to believe there will be a mall.

So most likely the land will be empty for many years until all nearby lands are all bought up by them and all nearby future projects completed and fully sold

This post has been edited by JustineFaye: Feb 16 2015, 12:27 PM

I think have to appear in Kpkt in person, if need then show them your SPA and see if your claim is less than 50, 000 then maybe they can help you. If not I think you can go to your local Majilis and aduan. Take pictures of the mess and shiit and tell them you will post online for public viewing if they don't take action.

I don't think it cost much money to solve this problem, aduan until Majilis ask developer for minom Kopi fees then developer can decide to clean it up themselves to save $

When Bolton sell the dream project, they said the mall will transform puchong into a high tech town with arty designs and they surely charged their buyers the price for that concept. Now they hunger for quick VPs to get fash cash and let buyers face big dumpsters opposite.

If land is too small, they can reclaim land, put up more floors for the mall, use strip mall concept and many other choices to make it work, but its useless arguing this now if they are trying so hard to find excuses to not build it

Unit price for a wharf units can easily exchange for a much nicer bigger property in nearby housing estates. Why do these wharf properties cost so much to the buyers? because of a small swimming pool and 2 threadmills + big dumpsters in front of them?

They promised buyers the mall will attract tenants for the wharf like starbucks, banks, papa rich....and other branded outlets, and Jusco for the mall, now the best we got is 1 or 2 mamakstore and kopitiams with cusomters talking loudly, smoking and spitting.

..... truly 5 star wharf development become ZERO star low cost area.

Did anyone drive by the wharf recently? all you can see is a ghost alley filled with empty units and banners dropping down, torn and the whole place looks run down, thanks to Bolton's broken promises + their workers from opposite dumpsters visiting freely.
Not building the mall is one thing, do they really have to do so much bullshiet to makesure the wharf look so undesirable + horrible?

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This post has been edited by JustineFaye: Feb 28 2015, 01:42 AM

You are right it is not liveable, you can see comments by Symphony Life victims on FB before they erase all, after VP many houses are not liveable and some owners are so angry they gave up moving in and just sell at low price. I think buying a property from Symphony Life is worse than not buying at all.

Not just developers become worse, many other businesses are becoming worse too. That includes quality of goods + service. Traffic jam and pollution is worse. People are becoming less honest. Streets are dirtier and more crowded.Corruption level is higher.More people are arrested for political speeches . Increase number of educated and smarter people leaving for other countries. All the signs of a third world country becoming more obvious and more countries looking down on us. Developers like symphony life sure prosper because they are in this crime heaven.

We're to achieve high income developed nation status by 2020, now they going to postpone it. The International Monetary Fund's World Economic Outlook Report group malaysia together with countries like nigeria, Kazakhstan, honduras, Lebanon, Iran and worse.

If I am wrong,do you think we can become high income first world or fourth world nation by 2020?