Well, I have just went for an interview through an agent. The customer that asking them for the job hunting is from intel,penang. They said they only can pay for the range I mentioned above. Is it reasonable?...consider I am fresh grad...not evenly got my degree result yet...keke. The job title is validation engineer. The job mainly is to test the graphic card driver. Should I go for it?

not bad, i think u should try and gain some exp

Thats is normal for fresh grad students. 1.8k is already good already.

not bad at 1.8k..

The job is a 6 months contract work. I posted this up not because I am 'money-faced' people.I just wanted to know whether is it worth for me to go for a try since the job is more related to IT field. I am a fresh graduate in E&E and is the agent find me for the interview. I don't know what to request and what to do.....feel so lost......sigh...They want me to give respond whether to accept it or reject it by tomorrow....omg...really lost... I just scared I miss the chance and will regret for it. If they don't tell me the working site is in intel, I really won't consider and headache about it now. Should I demand a little bit more like 2.1 or 2.2k for that? The money is really important for me since I have a bunch of loans to pay back.....

Lost...lost....lost

Is any Lowyat Forumer who are just graduate there and negotiating the salary with the company...share somethings with me. I will appreaciate it much. Lastly, I wanted to know whether this job - Validation Engineer have a bright future.....What I am doing there???

well, just to speak out my opinion.
no offence

if i were you, i won't accept it... i might go for the interview, but i won't accept for 1.8-2k at penang... and with 6 months contract lagi!

well, i am still an undergradute, and last time my industrial practical company offer me 2.2k. it is at Sungai Petani, Kedah, a small town with low living cost, compare to penang.

as i know, intel, GE offer 2.5k for fresh gradute, 2.7k or 2.8k for first class.

but most EE field engineer offer range of 2k-3k+.
my course mate's practical company offer 3.2k even.

anyway, all depend on what job you expect for.
please post more details of your gradute. which U?

4 years locally in TARC
3 months top up degree in Liverpool John Moores University
Is it because it is through an agent....so I got the pay cut down like....****

1. Intel is a high-stress company. The attrition (cabut) rate is one of the highest.
2. I wouldn't say the work is IT related.
3. Intel pay is more than that.

There are a few LYN members who are intel validation engineers. I can't give out the names though (I am not one BTW).
But almost everyone starts out in validation before branching out.

No, the agent is eating too much i think.

What kind of rank they give u? Graduate trainee? If yes, the salary at least RM2.5k-2.6k with 1 year contract.

ah liang,

the fact that you're through an agent, that's why they offer you 1.8K to 2K, coz they already 'makan' ur gaji a little bit. Agency always like that wan. If you apply through Intel, your salary should be 2.5K. ( payroll under Intel )
the standard start salary for fresh graduate is 2.2K for almost every company in Malaysia, excluding allowances ( if applicable )

advise is take up the interview, if you get it, take it....and go into Intel. Once in Intel, quickly look for opportunities to be converted to permanent or look for other dept. and ditch that agency.....or there's always Motorola, Agilent, Altera and so on...

Under a job agency is NEVER a good thing....

This post has been edited by Dern: Sep 19 2006, 08:58 AM

Which job agency is that? Kelly Services?

2.2k at SP is veli good lo..last time my bro co at SP offer him 1.8k oni

yes,mayb he shud join intel..then later oni find permanent job inside

btw,i think it depends on u la..IMO,the pay is too low for an E&E engineer..u shud b able 2 get around 2.5k

future prospect i m not sure coz intel is currently slashing their number of employee

validation enigneer is alike quality contoller.... 1.8k in intel is damn less.... their usuall pay is 2.5k+-

y use agent when u can use the star,jobstreet etc...???

Second class upper is RM 2.5k while first class it RM 2.8k.

Dun forget Intel laying off ppl now...
That's y they probably reduce their salary range.....what I heard is Intel freeze their headcount to bring in new ppl alr....

We just hired some GTs (trainees) and AFAIK the pay has not changed.

threadstarter: what type of position is it? Sounds more like green badge which is not real intel staff.

well just for ur info i only got 1650 from my company...i am also i fresh grad(degree)... i am seriously think that i am under paid

BTW my title is project engineer

Bro, no offence....i think intel is trying to reduce current staff...
Nowadays, no experience people with good result just can wish for high salary but experience with good result can ask for the higher salary.
From my point of view. If that job is just rm1300, i will not recommend him go for it.
But now is RM1800 for him to gain experience in INTEL factory. If the performance is good, he can apply the job directly to INTEL.

Urs one is contract basis!! The agent will take a few hundrend Ringgit from ur pay.

They give u this rate bcause u r only TARC Advanced Diploma. U should mention to the agent u are Degree Holder . IS the agent Kelly service??

No employer appreciate Advanced Diploma one, I m a TARCIAN & working now!! In MNC like Intel, a degree get a significant higher salary!!

U will get ur payslip from the agent, not fr Intel directly. Intel pay the agent, the agent pay u. Thats how it work

Yes, Intel pay from RM 2,500- 3,200 for freahgraduate but those are full time staff, not on contract. Contract will be slightly less. Heard tht Intel now only employ contract basis staff.

True.... my neighbour he get RM 3,200 in Intel after confirm. Thats 2 years back, now Intel is laying off EXPENSIVE worker especially the seniors.

r u freaking serious?

no hard feelings but for your own good, jz get any other job already.... Im a project engineer but ....aih dun wanna hurt u further - jz get ur resume prepared n send 2 any company asking for engineer, Good luck mate!

no joke man.... well i going wait till 1 1/2 months then going to demand for 2k+ if not sure i chao lou lor.... how to survive with 1.65k?????

aiyah, dun need to wait la, terus send by today

1.65k is basic pay or wat?

my basic pay after confirm is onli rm1.8k nia.... lucky got hp allownce rm200. so it comes to 2k.. but after minus all those epf etc.. is rm1.8k

i work as civil consultant eng.

The starting pay for my first job was 1.8k. After EPF, it became like 1.65k, just like you. I accidentally saw the appointment letter of a guy employed two years ago from that time, the initial pay was also 1.8k before EPF deduction.

I believe all employers think that 1.8k is a good number which they can use for many many years, totally ignoring the presence of inflation.

btw i dont even have allowance... only can claim for petrol if i got go sites lar.... i am in structure cabling system company

stay put in ya cocoon n digest some experience before u learn how to fly peterchai ... in ur destiny ur a flying karate man... once u black belt liow dont forget me

i am worried before i become karate man.... i already mati liao.... how to survive with this peanuts pay... esp in kl?????

heheheh ... u dun claim more?? *shhhhh* one of my collegue works as site coordinator always claim more than he use

how to claim more ler.... all in bills mar.... printed out???? black and white.....

well... construction line starting pays poorly... especially consultancy.. mostly after 3yrs only reach 3k. also need to lobby for your pay.. or job hopping to secure higher pay.

Job hopping after u gain experience from you company is definitely great to improve your base salary.
Always put in to consideration the room for improvement in your current department.

Back to the topic, getting 1.8k for a fresh graduate is quite average considering many good advantage for you. Like getting MNC exposure and additional experience to show off in your next interview.
FYI, MNC company pay higher salary to the agent coz all the medical fees are covered by the agent. Thus, the agent usually leeched 20-25% of your paid salary.
Good luck

i dunno much bout civil but a engineer still an engineer wat, human still need 2 eat, shit n pay the high petrol price n maintain our daily transport

dude, I feel u.....go throw ur letter at ur boss tomorrow n buy newsppr - start a new job n dun let anyone abuse u like this man........im not being nice 2 u; seriously, if everyone like u then we engineers cant demand anymore, coz u spoiling the market

PEACE

hahahahhahaha i also wish to do that lar.... but too much commitment at the moment..... if no incomei am going to die..... u really think i am happy with the pay ar... futhermore they r going to send me to sudan for work... that;s y on my thread i need to know what's the oversea allowance... need to know the market value... if not meet then i throw letter

dude.. sudan is just after war... in high risk area... make pretty darn sure your work is high! find job now... while the construction market not that well, there's still bound to be job somewhere

those who printed is human, right? heheheh...


anyway, go sudan how long? its good for ur future....and definetly its higher salary pllus higher rsk

roughly 4-5 months lor....

hey don't discuss out of topic pls
I really need those advice and recommendation from those experienced forumer
anyway what is a green badge??
ok let say if I accept the jobs, the probability for me to convert into the permanent will be higher? provided I work and perform nicely
And one thing I wanted to clarify is that I don't YET have my degree result since I just came back here last week. Would there be any problem for that?

HELP HELP HELP
thanks for those giving me advice

This post has been edited by ahliang: Sep 19 2006, 05:45 PM

Green badge == contract worker attached to external vendor/supplier (i.e. Manpower, Kelly etc). Intel pays the contractor, the contractor in turn pays you. None of the usual intel emp benefits i.e. stock options, study loans etc.

You accept -> got chance to be permanent.
You don't accept -> no chance at all unless you join as permanent directly.

If you perform there is a chance to be converted to permanent but depends on other factors (headcount, HR directive, luck, boss like you etc).

agree with the man on top!

im also a contract employee but only on paper, i enjoy the same benefits as permanent. Reason? stupid headcount problem - i guess ntg unsual in MNCs

but pls chk thoroughly urself, we can only give u tips dun take it for granted its ur job anyway - good luck n play safe

1 question. Are u distinction student (CGPA>3.5) with good technical skill and 'high-tech' final year project?

If yes, reject the offer, find other MNC that offers 2.5k at least.

Why i said that? If u enter intel now with contract, i dun think u will so easily convert to permanent with regard to intel situation now. GT not count as head count so they still can afford to hire u.

Then even if u got experience and intel dun want convert u, u jump to other company, since now u only getting 1.8k, the next destination will be around 2.3-2.5k

If u work in other MNC with 2.5k start pay, u still got experience and when u jump, u can demand more.

But if u are nto a distinction student, then i think better u take the offer.

just my 2cent

Mind to share more on this?

RM 1.8k for degree is too low. I am engineer with diploma fresh (RM2.2k).
Degree holder should get >RM2.5k.

1.8K is low in Intel.

But if you can get 2K. .. think it's considered fine for the first job.

can u b more specific pls?

basically, the 12% EPF pay me back, im an 'independant contractor' n i provide them 'services' lol thats the agreement i signed, I read more than 10x times n chk by my lawyer (fathers fren la, lol) it seems fair.....they buy the same insurance for me, pay back socso + all the extras 13-14 mths pay that kinda stuff, same travel allowance also.....same mileage claims as my seniors

I chk again, its all written in the employee handbook, triple-chk w other colleagues n HR

btw, mind 2 share wats ur job n employment status?

oh no, i think this is way off topic......sry to the topic starter!

Hey Shado, what company u in? Mind recommend me into your company? I'm a degree holder BIT (hons) Software Engineering

I agree. Intel is not doing well at the moment. I was formerly there. In fact, few of my friends were VSSed. GTs' contract were extended and none were given permanent offer even though they had worked for 1 year as GT.

hi,just to share with u all,i'm gonna start to work for my first job as broadcast system engineer this monday with the salary is 2k(gross). Is the pay fine?
I'm a fresh grad btw.

This post has been edited by hazremi: Sep 29 2006, 06:26 PM

those multination company is a really good place to start with as a fresh graduates. intel,dell,motorola,samsung, etc

The engineers I know ended up doing other non-engineering stuff eg. sales or consulting

abang Liverpool John Moores University
not University of Liverpool ar....

1.8k still cakap-cakap there ...

RM3.2k after confirmed ? I thought that only applied for 1st class holder

Yes, 1.8k is too low unless you work in a local companies.