Aku rasa this stems back from shah alam when fans sendiri boo players bila nak tepuk kat derang after syria game.....

Semua fans upset bile team derang kalah.... But most fans still have courtesy to respect the symbol if not the result....

Tapi fans malaysia ni hati tisu sikit...terlampau cynical dan sensitip.....malu plak ngan fans myanmmar..



This post has been edited by aressandro10: Nov 27 2014, 03:36 PM

Tak boleh ?

Respect comes both ways.... Kalau fans tak respect players, buat ape player buat tebal muka nak show respect org tu balik ?

No.

Derang bukan sub-human yg kene tadah untuk kene kutuk demeaning camtu. Derang just normal human yang berusaha untuk buat terbaik untuk negara...

Derang pon tahu bile they are not good enough... Up to the coaches la untuk betolkan mana yg salah....srbarang kutukan yg fans bagi tu tak membina mana pon...merosakkan keadaan lagi ada la..

Perasaan dihargai timbul kedua2 blah pihak....kalau aku pon tgh down , tetiba ade org yg takde kaitan (bukan manager or supervisor aku) dtg kick me in the teeth.....jgnla harap lepas tu aku nak sengih-singih salam peluk2 best frens dgn dia.....

Hak ko tak respek aku. Tapi jgnla harap aku nak respect ko balik... It does not work that way....

Target kita fans dan player adelah nak yg terbaik untuk national team.... Salahkan aku sebab berfikiran positif... Tapi kalau kita pick our players up when there are down instedt of kicking them in the teeth , we would have better chances ... The team akan rase lebih dihargai dan ade positive pressure to repay the fans...

For me positive pressure trumps negative pressure any time in term of results.

This post has been edited by aressandro10: Nov 27 2014, 05:07 PM

Not majority. Not all the time....and not in a cynical fickle kiasu way...

They are more cultured...

And i dont think expect the players untuk tadah jer.....

Tu la... Fans kita dahla takle terima kalau players balas balik komen, derang siap expect players datang sengih2 tepuk tgan while kene kutuk depan 2...

Aku rasa players akan rasa lagi macam pondan kalau derang tahan je. Harga diri dan air muka nak letak mana ?..

Nothing good can come out kalau kita pendam jer kalau org cakap bende yang kita rasa tak adil pasal kita.

This post has been edited by aressandro10: Nov 27 2014, 05:36 PM

For just being human and affected by negative pressure ?

Well...kalau kita terus je limitkan cara pressure kita ke arah negative je memangla sampai mati takkan berjaya..

Cuba kita open fikiran kita dan cuba pressure derang secara positive plak?.....

Takdelah menjanjikan kejayaan... Tapi lebih membantu rasenye.

The same way player yg positive pon boleh tukar jadi negative bile tgk attituted fans camtu...

Aku ade kat shah alam and I can say that kalau ade pon positive fans kat stadium masa tu, they allow themselves to be dominated by the negative fans...

Lepas salam , players dah pusing nak tepuk kat fans. Tapi masa tu la satu stadium choose to boo them.. They made it clear that the players's act were not appreciated ..

Ape lagi fans nak ? Tepuk kene .. Tak tepuk pon kene juga..

Aku pernah kerja bawah both type of environment... Negative pressure and positive pressure.... There are no question which one brings more out of me in term of performance..

Kalau tak membina takde salahnye kita ubah lumrah tu... Bukan takleh ubah...

Kalau fans bagi positive response, takde masalah pon players nak bagi balik positive gesture to fans...nak mintak maaf bila kalah semua.....

Ni tak final wisel lagi dah booing...tunjuk jari sape salah...

Kutuk coach same jugak ngan kutuk the whole team.... They are.the same unit. Takyah guna gimmick nak justify your negative act..

Tak boleh ke ade semangat kalah bersama menang bersama. Takyah jadi selfish pentingkan perasaan sendiri je.....

I think the whole relationship and experience would be more meaningfulk kalu it is built on positive spine....

Macam how the ultras used to be.

Bagi aku its related...

The message was carried forward from the last game.

It was the same set of players yg kene boo after all..

Boleh pakai lagi..

Sebab sejak match shah alam , the players do not felt respected at all..

Respect ni kene bina balik dari kosong....bukan review balik setiap match....

The fans kat jalan besar probaply meant well. Away fans usually do. Tapi the damage already done. ..blames shah alam for the break in relation...

Sub-human apa nye. Players bukan boo dan kutuk fans kat internet pon. Derang just lost a football match.

Janganla pondan sgt kalau org yg kita boo taknak lambai tgn balik kat kita.

Surely there are more productive ways then this..

Dier jawab balik fans comment kat internet ?

Positive pressure tak bermakna ko puji dan biar je kalau die buat salah....ko masih pressure pemain tu untuk improve but in a positive way..

Bende yg salah tetap kene highlight....but there are subtle ways to make criticsm that can productively effect people instedt of destructively....

Aku igt lagi dgr commentatorary john barnes waktu liverpool lawan malaysia. Cara die kritik pemain malaysia buat aku rasa masa tu juga nak ambik bola dan berlatih ape dia cakap...it was soo sincere , factual , non-personal and positive....

Kalau pakcik pakai kopiah putih tu cakap elok2 ngan safee sali macam tu takdenye die nak melenting.

Cuba bayang kalau bos ko datang kat kau dan cakap 'ko kene siapkan bende urgent ni. Kalau tak siapla ko aku maki kat meeting esok.'

Compare plak dgn yang cakap 'bro. Aku dah backup dan cover ko ngan team kita masa meeting tadi. Tapi ko still kene siapkan kerje urgent ni'.

Kedua2 kerja tu still ade pressure. Cuma source pressure tu yg berlainan. Satu datg dari ketakutan kene maki, satu lagi dari hutang budi tak nak kecewakan a good leader. Opinion aku the latter can bring more from the employee in the long run.

Stonewall statement macam 'kalau ko tak boleh buat boleh blahhh' will not improve situation. Bukan setel root cause problem tu pon . Just nak lepas tangan jer.

Bila kita bina positive spine yg kukuh, result dah tak matter. Fans dtg ke stadium dan player will play , for the positive energy dan respect yg radiates dan gravitate from and to each other....and this in turn will bring the result. Good result will strengthen the bond , but bad result will not break it.

Kalau fans just stick with the team , especially masa team tgh down, player akan feels the positive pressure to pay the fans back....ini yg kita nak...baru lah player akan ikhlas lambai kat fans atau mintak maaf bila kalah semua..

This post has been edited by aressandro10: Nov 27 2014, 09:32 PM

Kita dah lame dah jadi society negative. Sebab tu lame tak pernah jadi winner dalam ape2.

Dok sibuk menjatuhkan orang je kerje.

Aku tak boleh explain lagi ape yg aku rasa more then I already had.

Nak spin cecamner pon buat la. ...tapi atleast try cuba faham asas dia.

Relation is a 2 way street. And this is especially tested when things are down...

Kan bagus kalau sesama try menyejukkan hati masing2 untuk bangun for next game instedt mengharapkan satu pihak je dtg untuk sejukkan hati kita.

Aku tak fikir player robot hati batu yg boleh sengih je lambai tangan kat fans yg tgh merah muka kutuk dan maki dia lepas penat kalah lepas main 90 minit has the right heart, spirit and character to improve themselves.

Spirit , heart and soul is a double edged word. It can carry you far but it can also hit you hard when you down.

Yes.

Society kita bukan society positive yg pro pembangunan. Semua jenis tunggu org lain untuk jaga hati sendiri dari trying to act for the best of all.

Selagi ni tak berubah kita tak kan jadi winner nation.....

Byk yg kita boleh belajar ngan dortmund fans.

Stadium penuh even when team takde duit main division 2.

Kalah berulang kali pon still support. Fans hati sama kental . Sampai players pon malu bila kalah.

Relation fans-players macam ni la yg aku maksudkan.

Kalau mentaliti nak menjatuhkan org je yg dominan tanpa cari more productive alternative ways, sampai bila pon keadaan takkan berubah.

Ko pon sendiri cakap kutuk terang2 tak berkesan pon kan player ni.



This post has been edited by aressandro10: Nov 27 2014, 10:40 PM

Both sides made sacrifices bro.... Keje jadi player dan coach pon bukan senang juga..

Bukankah lebih bagus kalau kita jadi society yg pentingkan orang lain dari diri sendiri.....

Lepas how fans turn on the team kat shah alam, aku tak salahkan team kalau they just depend on support from each other. Fans bukan kisah kesusahan player pon. Tahu nak booo jer bila kalah.

Yes there are genuine fans yg benci all the booing. Tapi collective responsibility applies here. Player tak cam pon sape yg boo sape yg tak. It does not even matter.

Yang players tahu base on current scenario, fans are hostile toward players.

Bila hubungan retak sebab A kutuk B , yg mengutuk la patut initiate the repair. Takkan yg kene kutuk plak yg nak kene approah org yg kuuk dia.

Aku tak jamin bila fans and players being nice to each other , team tu akan bring result.

Tapi aku boleh jamin when they do, we will have a more awesome football scene.

Players embracing fans will be a genuine sincere heartfelt gesture then an awkward needless pr stunt...