actually they are way better than altec lansing/logitech for the similar pricing/category of pc speakers being compared.

creative i make it an exception because of the old gigaworks G500/T3, which are not cheap mind you.

personally i think the TS made a bad move on his part and choice of words.

I do think Edifier is a pretty decent brand and have pretty good products which may or may not interest some.
they are however still mainly on the pc market despite having the studio series and that market is rather low end compared to many people in ICE/home Hifi.

some links
http://www.edifier-international.com/products/edifier-studio

http://www.inter-asia.com.my/product/edifier-studio-8-r2800/

i personally am using the edifier C3 for my own TV as well; i hate the mids but for the price i paid there's i would say it's still of great value.

ending this, the ICE forum is as dead as it is already, so maybe playing nice just a little bit may help alleviate things

something interesting:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stax_Earspeakers

http://www.edifier-international.com/news-...hone-brand-stax

http://www.stax.co.jp/

yes, china companies are rich as hell and you can do wonders when you have money around.