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post Nov 10 2014, 04:00 PM

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QUOTE(bitebug @ Nov 10 2014, 03:01 PM)
Like I said. Moyes 2.0 in the making. The noose is tightening for him.
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If Moyes 2.0 is still ok.
As Moyes didn't spend much.

The problem now BR's Liv = Moyes 2.0 + Spurs 2.0
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post Nov 10 2014, 04:08 PM

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QUOTE(Everdying @ Nov 10 2014, 12:37 PM)
everyone already seen this pic, but it says it all already whats wrong with the whole team.
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at first glance u would think LFC are attacking, cos you see cahill, terry, ivanovic and matic there in the 6yd box...
with balo, emre, hendo, G, moreno all in front of skrtel and lovren...
then u see migs in goal...and u go  doh.gif
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Where is the man marking or zonal marking?
The most 2 defensive basic of defending set piece/corner.
None has shown from the picture.

Even nobody go to fight for second ball, all ball watching when Mig made the first save time.

But the manager said do not need a defensive coach... sweat.gif

The problem already there since last year, just ability to outscore opponent mask the problem, yet the manager didn't rectify the situation.
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post Nov 11 2014, 08:54 AM

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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Nov 10 2014, 09:34 PM)
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BR vs Woy is worse than LVG vs Moyes comparison. blink.gif

Wow, doesn't know the stat so poor.
League table always doesn't lie, this really true speaking of the team form lately.

Look at LVG, everyone knew he favour 3-5-2 and adopted at early season.
But the formation/tactic doesn't work, leaking goals, losing matches due to players had hard time to adapt,
now he is flexible enough to change to 4-3-3 system, which situation starts to turn, less/no leaking goal, and start to win and climb up the table.

But for Liv, the manager keep on stubbornly using the same formation/tactic, despite everyone see something is seriously not working in the team.
Favourism and feel pride own tactic is not something helpful to the team, if players have hard time to adapt to the formation and personnel around.
Just like everyone saw Balo is not a good lone striker candidate, but the manager keep on playing as lone striker.
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post Nov 11 2014, 10:58 AM

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QUOTE(AnythingK @ Nov 11 2014, 10:39 AM)
Even if the next carefully choosen one is another mid-table, so called young and full of potential type of manager?  laugh.gif

Because I as a normal fans see, there are no top manager will willing to take over the job, most probably will be another mid table manager. Then there will be another 2-3 years of transition, like you said, infinite loop!  laugh.gif
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Infinite loop can be broken if pay big to get top manager, top players.

Chelsea has not won the league for many decades, big money come, top players come, top manager come, then become an established top team, always near at the top.
Mancity also did almost the same route.






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post Nov 11 2014, 11:06 AM

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QUOTE(koolspyda @ Nov 11 2014, 10:55 AM)
As much as people castrate gerrard, he is not lfc MAIN problem WHY we are not scoring goals. We leaked goals even at Rodgers first season,

We are offensive oriented.

I rather gerrard than hendo as captain. Hendo is workmanlike in his play, hardly anything can really happen, to turn things around. Excellent squad player though
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Fans won't mind if the team is playing offensively that resulting in leaking goals and lose the match.

But did we see any real offensive play this season? No is the answer.
Always being outclassed by opponent, (even against midtable/relegation zone team), no shot on target for 1st half against Newcastle (if not mistaken), tactical inept.

Ya, Gerrard is not the main problem, nor any player.
The main problem --> manager.



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post Nov 12 2014, 10:00 AM

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QUOTE(briantwj @ Nov 12 2014, 09:33 AM)
why no Diego Simeone in the list? I think he'll fare well in PL.
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Simeone is really showing some "class", despite inferior team sheet on paper as compared to Barca and RM , and financially not strong, still able to win the league.

Their basic built is on defending, ability to keep clean sheet.

Also ability to deliver good performance and result, despite keep on changing their "star" players, previously Falcao, then Costa, clearly showed that it is manager makes the team looks good instead worldclass player makes the manager looks good and ability to spot good players.
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post Nov 12 2014, 02:46 PM

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QUOTE(reehdus @ Nov 12 2014, 11:01 AM)
But pass completion and possession is off the charts! Even Chelsea can't match. But which half posession is a different story la
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Next time, if I am playing midfielder time, I plan to pass to defender, GK, fullback, make my pass completion 99%, so that in term of stat, I am a wonderful midfielder with high pass completion, can demand higher wages, higher transfer fee and signing fee. laugh.gif
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post Nov 15 2014, 10:18 AM

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QUOTE(AnythingK @ Nov 14 2014, 11:52 PM)
Sakho > Lovren.

But because Lovren is more expensive, so BR must play him more to justify his worth. EGO!  laugh.gif
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Sakho also a 18 mil price tag... icon_idea.gif whistling.gif

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/23926042
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Liverpool have signed central defenders Mamadou Sakho and Tiago Ilori for a combined fee of about £25m.
Sakho, 23, who has 14 France caps, will cost around £18m from Paris St-Germain.

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QUOTE(kevafk @ Nov 17 2014, 07:28 PM)
the only regret is Liv did not take advantage this current early season top teams played poorly. While other team take the advantage will try to force their way into Europe.

Anyway been there done that, under Rafa days we were also close to winning PL then the season after that everyone saying "this is the season we will win it". I don't blame rafa because it's the player that let him down. On form a season then holiday the next
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The major difference is Rafa had no 100 mil to spend upon, always need to work under tight budget.

Also under Rafa, if he get the tactic right and players right, Liv can beat any team, and never seems like a "minnow" in CL stage. (while Liv under BR in CL level is like minnow team, no offence)

Also Rafa "unearthed" some real good players in his early stage of career in transfer market for the like, Luis Garcia, Alonso, Torres, despite working on lesser budget,

For BR, so far Sturridge may be in the list only after spending more than 100mil.

I first taught when BR success to prove many his doubter wrong by finishing strongly at 2nd place, and with plenty of transfer money support from owner, then it may be a game changer for Liv that finally can break the infinite loop of rebuilding like previous 2 decades plus, but seems the flop in transfer market may just send back Liv into the infinite loop again. sweat.gif

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QUOTE(digilife @ Nov 18 2014, 09:50 AM)
We need a manager than dare to tiaw players , including the iconic Skipper and  the Goalkeeper.
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Need a hair-dryer manager.

Any poor performance should be hair-dried, boot flying also never mind. laugh.gif
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post Nov 18 2014, 09:23 PM

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QUOTE(Everdying @ Nov 18 2014, 05:37 PM)
but our net spend is only 33m.
so should that be reason enough to replace? since we didnt really spend that much?  whistling.gif
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It is not about the net spend the matter, it is about the target of transfer.

A total money splash of >100 mil, and yet none of the new recruit look promising, nor improve the team better or the new recruit look better than existing players.

This is the most worry and disappointed part.
Flop in transfer market could cost the club dearly.
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QUOTE(koolspyda @ Nov 18 2014, 09:03 PM)
it took 5 years for fergie to get it right...

We use to use that argument too, well not on clueless roy  cool2.gif 
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You can't give a 5 years grace period for if the manager is clueless in the transfer market.
Financial power may be weakening further by then due to flop in transfer market.

Weak financial power, it is almost impossible to stay at top level, money talks in modern football.
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QUOTE(yeelong @ Nov 19 2014, 11:42 AM)
Chelsea players =!= liverpool players. Most of chelsea players are world class and established where LFC players are stilll young n developing. What chelsea needs is a top coach that can blend the ego of their players. What LFC need is a good coach/teach to develop the players. Develop need continuity and stability.
bruce.gif  bruce.gif  bruce.gif  bruce.gif it tot is c.............
As long as we winning.
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Now Liv has strong owner and money to spend, last season with >100 mil, why can't emulate the success story/route of Chelsea?
Previously don't have money, ok, can't do much about it, as money talks in transfer market, now got >100 mil to spend in a transfer window.

Previously at least BR has one good transfer record to show (after spending more than 100+ mil) - Sturridge,
now with injury prone,0 the sole one player in the good category of transfer list basically gone as well.

So up until now, after 3 years, basically none of transfer done by BR is convincing.
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QUOTE(kenlimfornication @ Nov 19 2014, 03:31 PM)
My thought is, Chelsea started spending since 2003, at that time (10 years ago), they already spent >100M pounds. Which today will be much much more. And they didn't even sell anyone.


Sorry, I don't think it's comparable.
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Ok, 100 mil today may be comparable 50~70 mil last time, with half the amount comparable, at least got half of a decent players being bought compared to Chelsea.

But barely half season gone, people screamed for replacing a 20mil CB, 25 mil player as bench warmer, 20 mil not even sit in the bench sometimes, and people are struggling to name a player that being classified as decent buy after 3 season, with more than 130~150 mil spent.

I don't expect to see Liv to spend as big as Chelsea, but with today >100 mil spending, it shouldn't as bad as 11th place in the league table.

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QUOTE(yeelong @ Nov 19 2014, 02:59 PM)
More than 100m pound spent and still not getting good result, yup the manager will get this head hanged. But if he spend 100m on marque players. But 100m for young players, i am not sure. I dunno buying young players is BR or the owner's idea. If it's BR's idea i am sure he is dead by now. But i am sure those are FWS policy to bring in young players and let BR develop. I think BR will be given 1 year or 2 to develop the players. If you want immediate results, the 100m money should be spent on Di Maria, Sanches type of players. Not players like Can, Origi, Moreno.

So, I still give BR 1 year to develop those players.
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You don't pay big for young people.

If you aim for young people and develop them, the price tag is not 15 or 20+ mil price tag one.

If BR/Liv emulates what AW/Arsenal did, always look for promising young players and bought at bargain and develop them, ok can understand.

Summarise,

Marquee signing --> No
Bargain young player --> No

Spending > 100 mil --> yes

See the problem?
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QUOTE(twtang @ Nov 20 2014, 09:06 AM)
Can anyone explain why this BR guy so stubborn? I thought Rafa was quite stubborn, and this BR even more.

Maybe he thought that last season 2nd place has brought him the success and fame, well, some of you could be right that Suarez gave him that.
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You have already answered your question. laugh.gif

Seems like a striker is the urgency for the team in the coming transfer window, having a player that keep on injure is as good as none.

With the record, BR may be fall in the Liv history book, one of worst manager in term of transfer dealing.
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QUOTE(koolspyda @ Nov 21 2014, 01:06 PM)
Well some reports are saying it hasn't blossomed as it should have after the initial spark. To the extend & reported of where some linked german internationals have said they will reconsider about going into premiership because they may not want to risked their career reputation to suffer. (cited to that of podolski's struggle).
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At least got "initial spark" as compared Liv new recruit with no spark or sitting on the bench.
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QUOTE(Immunityx7 @ Nov 21 2014, 04:47 PM)
Brace urself for another loss in November brows.gif
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November so far 3 matches played, 3 losses.

If situation didn't change fast, BR may break the record of losing streak of many decades. sweat.gif

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/...ool-return.html
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CARRAGHER: When we played in Europe under Rafa, we could attack, we could counter-attack and other times we would just defend - even at home. Last year, Madrid surprised Bayern by playing on the counter-attack. Here with Guardiola, every game he has a plan. How important is it to have different ways of playing?

ALONSO: Each team I see (that is successful) has to be comfortable playing with three systems. They need to adapt to each game, depending on the circumstances. It is not about not being loyal to your identity. No, no, no. It is about knowing your strengths and showing your players what you need to do each game to prepare in the right way. In Liverpool, we had a plan for each team. Every game is totally different. Let me give you an example. This season we have played with three defenders, sometimes four, sometimes five. You need to be able to manage at least three or four systems. It has nothing to do with betraying your principles.
I guess this message should be forward to BR. whistling.gif
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A contrast compared between LVG and BR.

LVG also started with his prefer formation of 3-5-2 system, but team leaking goals, even shipped 5 against Leicester.
Then LVG saw the players can't adapt well to the system, switch to back four, team instantly shut the goal leaking issue, and start getting result and look at where now, 4th!

While BR continue his lone striker upfront with Balo... doh.gif

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