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post Jan 20 2017, 09:25 PM

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QUOTE(RayleighH @ Jan 20 2017, 08:52 PM)
I understand that earning through investing/trading is anything but simple. I would like to think that I am not greedy and do not look to make quick money, else I would definitely be in forex and actual stock trading.

However, everytime I research on methods to investing, I come across many who would recommended investing long term in index funds, particularly vanguard funds even for your everyday average joe/jane. Most of them mentioned that index funds:
1. In the long term would provide decent returns. Nothing too fancy, amazing nor terrible which is what I am looking for.
2. In the long term, it is rather stable due to their diversification (Equity across the whole US economy and the whole world's economy + Bonds which covers the whole US economy)
3. In the long term, if one can weather the major dips and not pull out, eventually after many years it will eventually recover. Whereas, one may stand the chance lose all their money in other types of investment.

All these points mentioned by other websites recommending Index funds make it sounds like it is something which one can buy and be relatively comfortable that it is quite unlikely to lose all their investment in the event of a major financial crisis, provided one can weather the downturn period and not pullout. That is why it seems quite interesting to me.

The only downside and blocker at the moment is the fact that I am earning in MYR which translate to the huge sum which is required in order to make the investment worthwhile be it through a US or SG brokerage.

I do acknowledge that there are risks involved by investing in index funds, although I may not be able to properly size/feel it due to my inexperience. Like you have mentioned "if u hv not seen the devil, u will not cry".

However, at the moment, I can only think of three major risks with regards to investing in Vanguard index fund ETF. Please do enlightened me on any other risks of investing in Vanguard index fund ETF.  notworthy.gif
1. MYR/USD forex fluctuation.
2. Risk of fees eating up profit if investments amount is too small.
3. US & World economy downturn (though, wouldn't this also affect other funds/investment types in other countries to an extent?)
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if u are really a novice in investing, then u hv a good mind and attitude, imo.

i can't comment on "vanguard index funds" becos there are at at least 25 of such funds:
http://www.marketwatch.com/tools/mutual-fund/top25largest

and those are US based, $ based. i would not put all in them but over a variety of markets, currencies and types - diversification is impt.



yes, the world is round... nothing is ever the same. more so with fast tech now, cycles are shorter, reactions in seconds rather than hours or days.

what i can say... something close to my own learning over the years...

one's "investing lifespan" is maybe... 30 years? the time you start to earn and save enough till the time u have no fulltime job... say 30 to 60...?

30 years will invariably see at least 2-3 cycles of boom, recession, (maybe superboom or depression) in stocks, real estate, gold, commodities, fx, etc. - foreign or domestic. over 30 years, one will never get it right all the time for all cycles. the key is to be able to spot a couple of cycles correctly and with some "luck", ride on them when they occur. ride on the disasters, u lose big time, never to recover. and too old, run of out time.

if one is able to have success in more cycles than in failures, that's enough.

to be an overall winner over 30 years is to be an angel, good enough... no need to be god! biggrin.gif

of course, the conservative ones can stay in savings and fd, only to be oblivious to what happened, which is OK too.



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QUOTE(RayleighH @ Jan 20 2017, 10:48 PM)
Actually, i feel that I am more of the pessimistic and cowardly investor-to-be. The fear of losing all my hard-earned money is larger than the temptation to make big money from investments/trading. Which in turn, make me take much longer than others to get started in investing. Currently all my money is dependent on the paltry Fd interest rates. tongue.gif
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a lot has to do with yr age and whose money u r talking about! biggrin.gif

a young man can lose everything but has the time to find more in the next 30 years.

old folks... lose it, u r finished.

nasi and kangkung u get for every meal... which is good, they tell u. tongue.gif

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post Jan 20 2017, 10:58 PM

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QUOTE(RayleighH @ Jan 20 2017, 10:54 PM)
I'm am relatively young but my mind is like a old man's.
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then get started.

can't learn unless u dive in.

your own experience n lessons is worth many times more than books or OPC - other people's comments.
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post Jan 22 2017, 10:08 AM

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QUOTE(RayleighH @ Jan 21 2017, 09:40 PM)
Btw, this VXUS - https://personal.vanguard.com/us/funds/snap...ndId=3369#tab=1 is all world but does not include US. Then again, like I said earlier, their performance is really low at the moment.
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there is no fund or currency or broker or method that will give u consistently the highest returns after buying it.

there are risks in ALL of them over time if they are equities - geopolitical, financial, currency, sector, stock specific.

some of the "world" or "international" etf's are so rojak in weightage, geopolitics, currency, taxation that it is difficult to have a handle on them, can't even understand why it is up or down!

in the final analysis, one has to come to a conclusion, take a position on what u think is best and go with it.

.. global equities environment - if u think USA equities will continue to drive world markets higher, go for the largest and most liquid US ETF's. SPY is S&P500; XLF is all US banks/finance; QQQ is all US tech; XLV is all US pharma/healthcare. go one step further... if u think tech will fly even higher, then buy the specifics - Facebook-Apple-Netflix-Google (FANG stocks) or AMZN, MSFT, etc. but if u think US markets will dive soon, it gets difficult becos all other world markets will invariably be affected, incl china, japan, european stocks. at the limit, if u think a world recession/depression is coming, better put all in FD, lock it up!

... currencies - one must have a basis to hold a view what direction the $ or RM or yen or Euro will go relative to each other in the next 1, 2, 5 years before u buy any equity. if u think RM will strengthen, best to buy 100% bursa stuff. if u think RM will go weakest against SGD, buy SG stocks or reits.

.. local or foreign broker - already mentioned.. if small amounts and non frequent trading, use local brokers to save the hassle. if larger amounts with frequent trading, a must to use foreign brokers to have cost efficiency.

i use a combination - CIMB itrade for US/SG mid-longterm holdings/dividends and IB for US trading. it is also impt to consider the fact that if u spread yr funds too thin, there are disadvantages with costs. Whereas if u concentrate yr funds with 1 or 2 brokers, u may get advantages like lower brokerage and/or buying/trading limits. i do not do bursa or other foreign markets, like to stay focused on the few i can monitor all the time.

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post Apr 18 2017, 12:30 AM

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QUOTE(nestahng @ Apr 18 2017, 12:25 AM)
Hi bro,

Appreciate if you could help me with my doubt here. For IB, if I hold says 20K USD worth of ETF & equities, but has only 5K fund left in account to purchase other ETF/equities, would IB ask to close my account?

Also another scenario where I hold 120K USD worth of ETF & equities, but has only 5K fund left in account to purchase other ETF/equities, would IB still charging me inactivity fees every month(assuming my monthly doesn't hit up to 10 USD).

Thanks.  notworthy.gif
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min 10k is total cash or any equity/etf positions u hold.

to my knowledge, the min monthly charge of $10 applies regardless of what u hv in cash or holdings.

it is about brokerage fee on the transactions u make very month.
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post May 19 2017, 11:38 PM

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QUOTE(helo @ May 19 2017, 10:35 PM)
hi, i am a newbie here, interactive broker is charging usd10 permonth if without activities, may i know how much initial money needed to startup an investment in stock market?
cuz usd10 x 12 = usd120= myr 520
ib minimum deposit for below 25yrs old is ard myr13000
lets say i'm lucky enuf to get 20% return per year.
13,000 x 20% = 2600
520/2600 x 100% = 20%
20 percent of my return will be given to ib, do you think this is a great deal?
how much money do u guys think u need to have before starting an investment?
i am just a fresh graduate... just started working not even a month yet...
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ib is cheap for frequent trading, buy/sell.
it is not for low activity.

if u are looking for low activity, better go with local brokers.
they may be more expensive per trade but has no fixed charge.
talk to local banks/brokers, compare.
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post May 31 2018, 09:33 PM

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QUOTE(spiderwick @ May 31 2018, 06:34 PM)
Hi Shifus,
I have been using my cimb to buy US stocks now. The brokerage fee is quite expensive though I'm not a trader type.
May I know how safe is it to use the Zacks trade?
I have tried to open an account with TD ameritrade. Till the end of the account opening, realise have to make payment via wire transfer and in USD dollars. Is it all the foreign broker will request us to make payment with such a method?
Thank you for your advice!
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i dunno the rest but for ameritrade and interactive brokers, yes.
u need to TT USD to their overseas account, becos they are overseas based.
brokerage fees is much lower but some have a fixed monthly fee.

local based ones like CIMB, they convert yr RM for u.
more convenient but too costly to trade due to high brokerage fees.

my advice to u - ok to use local for long term hold, very bad for trading.
trading, u must use foreign brokers with low brokerage fee.

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