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oneeleven
post Nov 3 2014, 09:20 PM

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QUOTE(chicargo @ Nov 3 2014, 01:21 AM)
Let's say I put 10k into Vanguard 500 Index Fund and another 10k into SPDR 500 ETF.

Will they both get the same returns minus the different fund admin cost?
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post Nov 3 2014, 09:32 PM

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QUOTE(oneeleven @ Nov 3 2014, 09:20 PM)
Still in the long term a small difference , over 10 years

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The end result of these small return differences is a 0.5% higher return for IVV vs. SPY portfolio over the 10 years listed here with a 97.2% vs. a 96.7% gain respectively, compared with 98.5% for the S&P 500 index. Though VOO is relatively new, its results so far are a positive indicator of its future.

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post Nov 3 2014, 09:39 PM

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QUOTE(MNet @ Nov 3 2014, 08:41 PM)
Why u all buy SPY, VOO, IVV ?
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post Nov 3 2014, 09:41 PM

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QUOTE(MNet @ Nov 3 2014, 08:01 PM)
wow too expensive.
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Not as expensive as the 2% mutual funds smile.gif



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Diverse, low fees

Actually $25 per trade if you buy in big chunks here and there it isn't really that much in the long term
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Would you say ETFs are for trader investors, not long term?

For long term why not just get no-load funds from Vanguard SG like VFINX VTSMX?

PS: Again, are there no ETFs composed of Malaysian stocks, only front load UTs ?

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post Nov 3 2014, 10:53 PM

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QUOTE(rjb123 @ Nov 3 2014, 09:47 PM)
Diverse, low fees

Actually $25 per trade if you buy in big chunks here and there it isn't really that much in the long term
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USD25/trade min?

Let take malaysia mutual fund commission for example 2%

u need to trade at least USD1250/trade.....
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post Nov 3 2014, 11:01 PM

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QUOTE(oneeleven @ Nov 3 2014, 10:47 PM)
Would you say ETFs are for trader investors, not long term?

For long term why not just get no-load funds from Vanguard SG like VFINX VTSMX?

PS: Again, are there no ETFs composed of Malaysian stocks, only front load UTs ?
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ETFs can be used for long term, short term, intra day trading , short selling, options

Can you buy them directly in SG from Vanguard? Doesn't give any information on their SG website at all.

There's a Malaysia ETF, IWM by iShares : http://www.ishares.com/us/products/239669/...ci-malaysia-etf

QUOTE(MNet @ Nov 3 2014, 10:53 PM)
USD25/trade min?

Let take malaysia mutual fund commission for example 2%

u need to trade at least USD1250/trade.....
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I did say big chunks .. if you bought $5k, that $25 is only 0.5%
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post Nov 3 2014, 11:17 PM

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Isn't iShares EWM still a US$ product? I'm hoping for a Rm$ one sold on local bourse. ETF concept too advanced for here?

What is Vanguard doing in SG if not selling anything?!?!

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QUOTE(rjb123 @ Nov 3 2014, 11:01 PM)
ETFs can be used for long term, short term, intra day trading , short selling, options

Can you buy them directly in SG from Vanguard? Doesn't give any information on their SG website at all.

There's a Malaysia ETF, IWM by iShares : http://www.ishares.com/us/products/239669/...ci-malaysia-etf
I did say big chunks .. if you bought $5k, that $25 is only 0.5%
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1 shoot 5k?
why not 50k? so commission only 0.05%?

Better diversify it..

1k in 1 time.
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post Nov 3 2014, 11:31 PM

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QUOTE(rjb123 @ Nov 3 2014, 11:01 PM)
ETFs can be used for long term, short term, intra day trading , short selling, options

Can you buy them directly in SG from Vanguard? Doesn't give any information on their SG website at all.

There's a Malaysia ETF, IWM by iShares : http://www.ishares.com/us/products/239669/...ci-malaysia-etf
I did say big chunks .. if you bought $5k, that $25 is only 0.5%
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This one really hujan emas lol, why would you not buy the ETF directly from bursa, it's only 0.005% (Malacca Securities I think smile.gif )

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post Nov 4 2014, 12:17 AM

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QUOTE(oneeleven @ Nov 3 2014, 11:17 PM)
Isn't iShares EWM still a US$ product? I'm hoping for a Rm$ one sold on local bourse. ETF concept too advanced for here?

What is Vanguard doing in SG if not selling anything?!?!
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Ah, I've never looked at any ETFs listed on Bursa

I don't think Vanguard funds are available directly in SG - FSM there for example sells "INFINITY US 500 STOCK INDEX" as a feeder fund

QUOTE(MNet @ Nov 3 2014, 11:19 PM)
1 shoot 5k?
why not 50k? so commission only 0.05%?

Better diversify it..

1k in 1 time.
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Sure, I was just saying $25 isn't too bad IF you only buy large chunks here and there. If you're topping up +/- $1k each time then yeah, paying $25 each time is a bit too much.

QUOTE(wodenus @ Nov 3 2014, 11:31 PM)
This one really hujan emas lol, why would you not buy the ETF directly from bursa, it's only 0.005%  (Malacca Securities I think smile.gif )
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This one?

FTSE Bursa Malaysia KLCI ETF 0820EA
http://www.ambankgroup.com/sites/fbmklciet...es/default.aspx

Anyway here's a list of ETFs listed on Bursa :

http://www.bursamalaysia.com/market/securi...aded-funds-etfs

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QUOTE(rjb123 @ Nov 4 2014, 12:17 AM)
Ah, I've never looked at any ETFs listed on Bursa

I don't think Vanguard funds are available directly in SG - FSM there for example sells "INFINITY US 500 STOCK INDEX" as a feeder fund
Sure, I was just saying $25 isn't too bad IF you only buy large chunks here and there. If you're topping up +/- $1k each time then yeah, paying $25 each time is a bit too much.
This one?

FTSE Bursa Malaysia KLCI ETF 0820EA
http://www.ambankgroup.com/sites/fbmklciet...es/default.aspx

Anyway here's a list of ETFs listed on Bursa :

http://www.bursamalaysia.com/market/securi...aded-funds-etfs
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Yes that one.. why would you pay anyone $25 to buy what you can buy for like 0.005% here smile.gif

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post Nov 4 2014, 03:01 AM

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One thing i like about etfs is that it allow you to bet on certain macro trend without too high of an exposure to certain stock and also of its low fees of course.

One thing to be careful about etfs is that always choose those that has high activity / volume else they might just close the fund halfway through
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post Nov 4 2014, 08:06 AM

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any gold/silver or commodities etf in malatsia
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post Nov 4 2014, 05:40 PM

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So buying UTs and ETFs with similar holdings from discount brokers not much difference except for NAV pricing and flexible trading hours?
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post Nov 4 2014, 07:59 PM

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QUOTE(ChAOoz @ Nov 4 2014, 03:01 AM)
One thing i like about etfs is that it allow you to bet on certain macro trend without too high of an exposure to certain stock and also of its low fees of course.

One thing to be careful about etfs is that always choose those that has high activity / volume else they might just close the fund halfway through
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Yep, although with most US ETFs they're quite active / liquid unless you're looking at really specific stuff

Certainly sector / country ETFs there's no worries about liquidity - even the 2/3x Bull/Bear leveraged ones have quite decent volume.

QUOTE(ronho @ Nov 4 2014, 08:06 AM)
any gold/silver or commodities etf in malatsia
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Bursa only has limited ETFs listed, no commodity ones.

http://www.bursamalaysia.com/market/securi...aded-funds-etfs

You can buy some UTs through FSM - AmPrecious Metals / RHB-OSK Gold And General Fund

QUOTE(oneeleven @ Nov 4 2014, 05:40 PM)
So buying UTs and ETFs with similar holdings from discount brokers not much difference except for NAV pricing and flexible trading hours?
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Well if you have a UT with the same fees as an ETF , tracking the same index your return would be pretty much the same.
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post Nov 4 2014, 11:43 PM

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mind telling how to buy via FSM bro ? ....on line or from the bank ?
AmPrecious Metals --from ambank
RHB-OSK Gold And General Fund --from rhb ?
tx...noob here

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post Nov 4 2014, 11:46 PM

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post Nov 5 2014, 12:22 AM

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QUOTE(ronho @ Nov 4 2014, 11:43 PM)
mind telling how to buy via FSM bro ? ....on line or from the bank ?
AmPrecious Metals --from ambank
RHB-OSK Gold And General Fund --from rhb ?
tx...noob here
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There's a thread dedicated to FSM : https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/3334901



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