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 illegear z5 discussion thread, anything and everything about the beast

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fr3eze
post Mar 4 2015, 11:11 AM

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i'm going to pay a deposit to lock the CNY promo up for the Z5.

though, here is some questions i have for the beast i'm gonna own:

1. How maintainable is the machine? Like cleaning the fans/vents/etc.

2. How long does the thermal paste wears off? Any advice to replacing the paste by DIY or sending back to Illegear?

3. Since the battery is locked inside and it takes some works to remove it. How would u suggest if i mostly using the machine with power plugged in, is that better to put aside the battery? Will that affect battery health?


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post Mar 4 2015, 01:11 PM

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QUOTE(Prince J @ Mar 4 2015, 11:35 AM)
Hi freeze,

1. Removing the bottom case then you can easily access to the fans and heatsink.

2. Normally we suggest re-pasting once a year depends on your usage. We suggest you to bring it back to have our experience engineer to do it.

3. We have received many enquiries regarding this. Per our test, it doesn't make much difference to the battery lifespan even if you unplug your battery. Battery dies eventually if you leave there too long uncharged.
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thanks for the reply, thank i would just let the battery be it.

how much do u charge for re-pasting? and what is the process if i'm stationed in Singapore?
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post Mar 6 2015, 09:19 AM

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QUOTE(Arvinaaaaa @ Mar 6 2015, 09:14 AM)
1. Super easy..1 cover to access all components

2. About 2 year..after warranty finish u can easily repaste ur self..save money smile.gif

3. Let the battery be
U already got ur z5?

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Three of you new z5 owners..congrats. remember to check using furmark test and remember to check all ports, spacebar button, and speakers,  and also for dead pixel (most important)
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haven't got it yet i expect to meet the beast next weekend though rclxms.gif

thanks for the guide to check on new machine. anyway seems like spacebar is quite an issue huh ohmy.gif if we found any dead pixels it is included in the warranty?
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post Mar 9 2015, 05:31 PM

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I paid my deposit on the Z5 oni CNY period. Today Illegear just informed me that 860m will be upgraded to 960m for RM200 instead of RM400. Out of no choice I have to opt for the upgrade else they likely to refund my money if they could not find 860m for my order.

Despite of I gotta wait til end of March to get my Z5, this is actually a fair deal to me as they upgrade the CPUto 4720 as well as cover up shipping fee from KL to SG. Thanks PrinceJ. rclxms.gif
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post Mar 26 2015, 02:13 PM

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still waiting eagerly for my Z5 for almost a month sad.gif sad.gif sad.gif
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post Apr 4 2015, 12:13 AM

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Just got my Z5 after one month waiting and I was so damn excited until I did the screen test. Please help me identify if below are defects.

Is this consodered screen bleeding?

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This is a suspicious dead pixel to me. I could not rub it away yet it is not a solid black dot. It looks like a faded black spot and it is not a square nor a circle size.
This spot can only be easily detected using light background yet it is still visible on other color background.

The biggest reason i think it is a dead pixel is tat it will disappear when i try to detect it at different angle. Dust doesnt disappear like tat right?

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post Apr 4 2015, 12:27 AM

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QUOTE(zuhaili87 @ Apr 4 2015, 12:20 AM)
1st picture definitely screen bleeding, the worst one that ive seen on a laptop so far. sweat.gif

2nd picture is it a dead pixel or an actual peeled to the screen itself? Usually if faded black like that cause by high pressure/force to the screen. nod.gif
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Omfg...I thought they said they will only deliver after ensuring everything is OK. vmad.gif
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post Apr 4 2015, 12:56 AM

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QUOTE(BLjack @ Apr 4 2015, 12:39 AM)
That's why I'm so skeptical...to buy MSI GE62 Apache pro or Z5. At least I did not hear much problem from MSI yet.
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QUOTE(Arvinaaaaa @ Apr 4 2015, 12:41 AM)
But z5 customer service top notch bro........ just need to check kaw kaw 1st b4 taking it
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Their service reputation was the main reason i chose to buy this Z5. I was doing my research and was considering some other brands without knowing the existence of Illegear, but once I found out this brand and the overwhelming great feedback on the product value and CS quality, without second thought I placed my order for this RM4k beast. Never in my life I purchase such expensive stuff without actually touching it first.

However, despite of making me waiting for one month for my machine arrival which the reason is understandable and I never blame for that(shortage of 860m GPU), at this point of time I really starting to feel sien liao.

I have to say their service is awesome as I expected. But you don't need a great service if yourproduct come in perfect condition and quality. And imagine the time I'm gonna spend again for the shipping back and forth for the replacement, the shipping cost, and most importantly my eagerness to spend my time with this beast. A good quality control would have save all these troubles.

I'm kinda disappointed. shakehead.gif
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post Apr 4 2015, 09:28 AM

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QUOTE(randytsx @ Apr 4 2015, 01:56 AM)
I have an Asus N series laptop and have been using it for a long time. It's overheating now because of the worn out thermal compound and it's a PITA to open the whole laptop just to reapply it because unlike my other Dell one, being a typical Asus laptop, you simply can't access the CPU/GPU and heatsink easily.

Point is, you're gonna have to service your laptop anyway. It's only a matter of time. Either you do it yourself, or you bring it to some shop and let someone else do it.

EDIT: In addition to that, I heard that we can easily access the CPU/GPU on Illegear Z5 laptops just by removing the entire bottom pane, which is another plus for me. I run my machines 24/7, and without good cooling and easy means to access the heatsinks, a machine is completely worthless to me no matter the specs.
I feel sorry for you, how was your Z5 delivered? I chose Illegear because a) I desperately need a laptop with a good cooling system that is not Alienware, b) I know where their studio is located and it is not that far from my place so I can visit them anytime for any kind of Illegear laptop service provided I have time.
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I live in Melaka and stationed at Singapore, it was shipped using GDEx. Damn damn sien now.
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post Apr 4 2015, 11:41 AM

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QUOTE(miong93 @ Apr 4 2015, 11:19 AM)
I guess you got a lemon unit ? So far, me and Arvinaaa didn't encounter any of these before. I think maybe we bought it without any promo / during "peak period" like before gst. I think they can't test the unit thoroughly one by one as the demand is too high for them. I feel sorry to you on receiving a laptop which is not what you expected.

Just contact them, they will fix it for you ASAP. I'm also from Melaka, I even carry in my laptop to their showroom at Damansara to have a screen upgrade. They did it in < 2 hours.

Actually we did inform you all before purchase that every brand has lemon unit. And also you need to consider the warranty service type and area coverage (if you choose onsite/pick up). ILLEGEAR is good in term of price spec ratio, but don't exclude the warranty service coverage area to be like other big brand as they are not as big as those brand like Dell.

Hope your problem will be solved soon. FYI, Prince J just replied that Z5 with gtx970m so far is the coolest among all ILLEGEAR laptop. 71 degree C after 1 hours of furmark test.

P/S: To others who is yet to purchase, DO NOT RUSH IT. Z5 is good, but it support up to 32gb ram only. There are only 1 HDD + 2 mSata SSD slot. Display is AHVA.
Good to know then. So no more BSOD. haha
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I understand that every brands has lemon unit, but I think in my case it is not acceptable.

Yes I did put the order during CNY and before GST. But due to the GPU shortage matter they have to extend the delivery date for almost a month. I do not believe such an obvious defect like screen bleeding would not be easily detected under any quality control process. And I never rush them. I'm more than happy to wait a little longer if they would told me they need more time on testing or sort.

And for the warranty coverage, I can accept the fact if something gone wrong I have to send back for service. But manufacture defect is definitely not in the list. This is juz out from the box bro.
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post Apr 4 2015, 11:43 AM

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QUOTE(randytsx @ Apr 4 2015, 11:22 AM)
I don't know about other people, but I like to shop at Lazada and element14, and they've been using GDEx for as long as I can remember.

I can't be sure that the same happened to others but in my experience, whenever I have GDEx delivering my stuff, 9 out of 10 they'd f|u|c|k up or delay up to 3 weeks and I would be calling their hotline and even their branch office but no one would pick up. I once called their numbers every few minutes from 11AM to 4PM, about 3-5 retries each time, to no avail.

During my previous delivery by GDEx, I managed to get the contact of some guy probably from their HQ after lodging a complaint to element14 when a GDEx delivery guy came over to my place, and already being at my doorstep, only to tap lightly for multiple times on my thick wooden fireproof door like a baby innocently thinking that would attract any attention at all.

In your case, I cannot say for sure that it was GDEx who screwed up your laptop because it could be Illegear's fault, but personally if GDEx is the only delivery option, I wouldn't have bought anything that costly from Illegear.
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Yes I'm aware of their bad reputation and was so worry about that.

But in my case I don think they are the one who caused this, as the whole package is quite solid and well protected when I received them.
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post Apr 4 2015, 12:09 PM

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QUOTE(Prince J @ Apr 4 2015, 11:25 AM)
Dear fr3eze,

Please shoot a picture with colorful background and single color (not black) background to us for identifying if it's a defect.

And FYI, IPS display has more backlit bleeding than TN display. You can google about this.

As for the dead pixel issue, please note a single dead pixel is extremely normal for LCD display.

A grade screen has 1 to 2 dead/lit pixels, A+ grade screen has 0 to 1 dead/lit pixel. ILLEGEAR only uses A+ grade screen.
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Here you go.

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post Apr 4 2015, 03:10 PM

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Someone using same IPS screen on Z5 as I do, mind to share ur screen bleeding result?
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post Apr 5 2015, 10:50 AM

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QUOTE(zuhaili87 @ Apr 4 2015, 10:00 PM)
Kesian u bro, my v-nitro previously using IPS as well, not a single screen bleed. Screen is flawless. But too bad already sold it cause im so attracted to MSI steelseries keyboard. tongue.gif I hope they change a new screen for u.  thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(Arvinaaaaa @ Apr 4 2015, 10:05 PM)
new screen is the only solution
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i hope to get a new screen, yet i hate to be apart from the Z5 again , complicated sial sweat.gif
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post Apr 5 2015, 11:07 PM

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QUOTE(Prince J @ Apr 5 2015, 06:50 PM)
Hi fr3eze,

I think we can offer you a new screen exchange even though it's not covered under warranty, like what we did to all our customers for eg xarive etc.

Please bring it to us and we can exchange a new one for you within 1 hour.
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Glad to hear that man. rclxms.gif

If I opt for shipping method, I have to bear all the cost?
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post Apr 5 2015, 11:51 PM

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My Z5 cant detect the 960M graphic card nor does the Geforce Experience. Anyone using the same card and what driver u r using?
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post Apr 10 2015, 09:50 AM

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QUOTE(Cloud2322 @ Apr 9 2015, 12:48 AM)
GG..
I think IPS display got problem.. Mine is having serious screen bleeding.. However, there's 0 dead pixel. Check this out Prince J Please take note of this too.
And anyone who is getting their z5 COD, please check your screen on the spot so you don't have to go back and forth..

This is V2 Z5 with IPS display

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Description: When it's on lowest brightness level no screen bleeding. But when I set it one level higher the problem occur.

V1 Z5, tested at different brightness.

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QUOTE(zuhaili87 @ Apr 9 2015, 09:14 AM)
Actually yours is quite ok compared to @fr3eze one, he got the worst screen bled ive ever seen. Btw may i know what IPS panel this new Z5 use? Quite bad quality if u asked me.  hmm.gif
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Yes, I urge the Z5 buyers must do a thorough checking on the screen quality upon receiving the machine. Ask them to check for you if you opt for shipping method like I did. It is doubtful for me since they claim that A+ grade screen is being used here, and possibly it is the poor installation causes the bleeding problem though hmm.gif

My screen bleeding is very noticeable even under normal room lighting on darker screen.

QUOTE(Prince J @ Apr 9 2015, 10:31 AM)
Hi Cloud2322,

IPS screen has more backlit bleeding than TN screen and to be frank your screen bleeding level is ok. You can visit us and let us take a closer look of it though.

Thanks.
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Actually I did my research on screen bleeding issue between IPS and TN on Google. And I could not found any facts nor reviews saying IPS tends to have more bleeding than TN typically. The overall conclusion from my amateur researches is, IPS is better in everything compared to TN except for the slight response time difference and price. tongue.gif

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post Apr 10 2015, 02:13 PM

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QUOTE(miong93 @ Apr 10 2015, 01:38 PM)
I think there is no screen which has no bleeding issue. Almost all screen I had seem have slight bleeding. My v1 Z5 IPS panel also have slight bleeding, but it is unnotice-able though, even in low light. I need to switch off all light and be in a completely dark room I just can notice the bleeding. If your bleeding is too serious, try ask whether there is a replacement possible. Like what other said, I hardly see any manufacturer exchange a new screen for bleeding case.
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Yeah @PrinceJ already offer me to exchange the screen and im very grateful for that. I know all screen have bleeding issue just that the bleeding level is acceptable or not.
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post Apr 10 2015, 05:42 PM

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QUOTE(Prince J @ Apr 10 2015, 03:35 PM)
The Z5 screen is assembled in the factory (the same factory that manufacture Alienware FYI), not assembled by ILLEGEAR.

IPS bleeding is very common in the industry and almost all IPS screens we see have backlit bleeding. If you want something that has less bleeding, go for TN display I suggest.
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QUOTE(Arvinaaaaa @ Apr 10 2015, 05:11 PM)
still the best laptop at that price imo..where can u find a laptop which is below rm 5k (rm4999) and have a gtx970m which the max temp is at 71c??? only at illegear tongue.gif

i hope this screen bleeding issue get resolved soon
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Illegear definitely is one top performance laptop brand in msia by far and I think their service reputation is the biggest factor to achieve that.

I would still prefer IPS as it is the newer display tech. And believe me as an engineer in IT field, IPS has a LOT of perfect screens.


QUOTE(randytsx @ Apr 10 2015, 04:46 PM)
Looks like my backlight is bleeding too. I managed to snap some photos at 5AM with all the lights turned off completely and got them auto-awesomed.

At my normal viewing distance from the screens:

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and then, really up close:

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it's perfectly fine bro.



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post Apr 13 2015, 09:51 AM

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