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 Edifier S760D review (Picture Warning), very very very very impressive

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post Mar 20 2015, 08:29 PM

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QUOTE(mp3dom @ Mar 20 2015, 05:21 PM)
When you're listening something (unless it's... maybe... classical music) it is hard to hear it, because it get probably "masked" by the sound. It also depends by the volume on the controller. If you set low volume to (example) 10 and then the soundcard to 100% you probably can't hear the pops. In a quiet environment and controller set to 30 you can easily hear the pops.
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hmm... idk mang... I'd blast the hell out of these test units almost everyday for 1-2 months (you know... testing)

I left it at random volumes of 40 boost +3 or even 15 to 10 and nothing happened.

oh well... I miss the speaker anyway laugh.gif
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post Mar 22 2015, 01:43 AM

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In those 1-2 months, did you test it extensively using also analog input? Static pops cames out only when using analog input, not digital.
Also, on your test unit, using 5.1 analog input, had you no problem with bass management? You already 'catch' the problem when feeding 2.0 sound using 5.1 analog input... but I mean 5.1 input using true 5.1 signal (compared to digital)
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post Mar 22 2015, 04:28 PM

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QUOTE(mp3dom @ Mar 22 2015, 02:43 AM)
In those 1-2 months, did you test it extensively using also analog input? Static pops cames out only when using analog input, not digital.
Also, on your test unit, using 5.1 analog input, had you no problem with bass management? You already 'catch' the problem when feeding 2.0 sound using 5.1 analog input... but I mean 5.1 input using true 5.1 signal (compared to digital)
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I had tested analog for half a month and digital for my another half.
Never really switching off most of the time.

I had even turning on my dirty switch to test for pop and crackles because that issue is my biggest concern (as mentioned I had ugly electricity)


Using the analog 5.1 as a surround I didn't receive major problems (or more like I didn't notice it) because the sound pretty much flows naturally especially on games.
Well... again, I didn't get to test your question so I couldn't answer much sweat.gif
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post Mar 22 2015, 08:49 PM

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Ok, no problem. Thanks for the answer.
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post Mar 28 2015, 05:22 AM

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For those who wants to test if the bass management is right (basically for those who own S550, S550 Encode and S760D, but I guess also for others 5.1 multimedia speakers from Edifier):

You can download this:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ttvznwxp84iltcd/P...0Noise.zip?dl=0

As you can see, it's a ZIP file containing 2 audio files. Both are the same (pink noise, the easiest way to test a speaker), the only difference is the coding. Both AC3 (Dolby Digital) and 5.1wav (LPCM) are provided for test on both analog and digital connection.
In those audio files, the pink noise is routed to each speaker or pair of speakers. This is useful to test that all the speakers are set correctly (parity) and for calibration purposes. The order for the routing is:

Left -> Right -> Center -> LFE -> Left Surround -> Right Surround -> Left+Right -> Left Surround+Right Surround -> Left+Right+Left Surround+Right Surround

For this test, it is best to use a player which can route correctly the audio. I suggest MPC-HC (https://mpc-hc.org). Set up as Default WaveOut device for 5.1 analog and S/PDIF Out for Dolby Digital (also remember to set the MPC-HC audio decoder to bitstream AC3 over SPDIF). You can also use the analog file in a DAW using ASIO. This is preferred if you want to be sure that Windows or DirectSound doesn't alter anything.

This is what happens when you play the AC3 (Dolby) via digital connection on S760D:
Each channel is played correctly. Pink noise carries also low frequencies. You can clearly hear that when the sound is routed to satellites, the subwoofer is playing bass frequencies as well. Higher volume low frequencies are played when the pink noise is on the LFE channel (as expected).

What happens when you play the 5.1 LPCM via analog connection (I repeat myself, the files are 100% exactly the same, with same pink noise at the same volume): Each satellites plays the mids/high frequencies of the pink noise. You get a somewhat flat sound, with subwoofer almost mute. Subwoofer is working only when it receive the LFE channel.

If you want to exaggerate the effect (so to make it really clear that it's a flaw): Keep toslink and 5.1analog cables connected (from soundcard to S760D) BUT remove the speaker cables. In this way, the unit will receive all the channels from the soundcard but ONLY the subwoofer will work (since the speakers have no cable connected to the unit).
On Digital connection: Subwoofer is always working for each speaker, with higher volume when it plays the LFE channel.
On Analog connection: Subwoofer is mute unless when it plays its LFE channel.

This post has been edited by mp3dom: Mar 29 2015, 06:58 AM
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QUOTE(power911 @ Nov 24 2014, 10:18 AM)
I did not buy this unit as mentioned in my review. It was a review unit provided by Edifier blush.gif

I'm not too sure about the exact price but it's around RM2000+ and you can get it at lowyat sri com or all it if I'm not mistaken. Usually the new Edifiers are always there icon_rolleyes.gif
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phuk you 4 poisoning my head argh mad.gif laugh.gif

by the way please test these song with max volume with max bass and review here how hard is the kick yo brows.gif more addictive than coke i hope icon_idea.gif




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QUOTE(skylinelover @ Apr 5 2015, 01:18 PM)
phuk you 4 poisoning my head argh mad.gif laugh.gif

by the way please test these song with max volume with max bass and review here how hard is the kick yo brows.gif more addictive than coke i hope icon_idea.gif

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no chance d lu

already return the unit to Mr Edifier
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post Apr 7 2015, 08:28 AM

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mp3dom

I went copy and paste to your question to Edifier HQ about your questions wink.gif and I got a reply (which is also copy & paste from my email.

"First and foremost, we want to say thank you so much for your email. We are delighted and thankful to have users and fans like you who have the patience and understanding to test and verify the quality of our product. Your knowledge is outstanding.

I just wanted to get back to you personally and let you know that the findings do reflect some characteristic of the product. A 5.1 analog input for S760D offers user a 6-channel pass through amplification with simple bass management, to assign specific frequency band to specific speaker.

With the intention of emphasizing the LFE effect, level match for 5.1 analog input here does not follow the traditional way. Bass management level match for 5.1 analog input is not a required test item by Dolby or DTS lab. This kind of setting may lead to some confusion if the speaker is used for professional application like music remix.

Please understand the speaker system also offers a wide range of SW trimmer settings. With +4 or +5 SW trimmer setting ratio, the traditional bass management level match can be restored. Since the product is designed for consumer application, and there are also preset equalization in the system for speaker compensation, we do not suggest that you use this product for professional applications.

I hope this helps clarify and verify your findings. If you ever do have any further questions, please do email us here directly and we will get back to you within a 48 hour turnaround."


Hope that clears things up for you biggrin.gif


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post Apr 8 2015, 01:30 AM

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Still does not explain why LFE is handled differently between analog and digital.
MP3DOM, any updates on your side?

This post has been edited by John Chaser: Apr 8 2015, 01:34 AM
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post Apr 8 2015, 10:35 AM

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QUOTE(John Chaser @ Apr 8 2015, 01:30 AM)
Still does not explain why LFE is handled differently between analog and digital.
MP3DOM, any updates on your side?
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Different source handles LFE differently.
Digital source handle the LFE based on standard bass management.
5.1 source's LFE is boosted by default.



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post Apr 8 2015, 06:24 PM

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QUOTE(Edifier @ Apr 8 2015, 10:35 AM)
Different source handles LFE differently.
Digital source handle the LFE based on standard bass management.
5.1 source's LFE is boosted by default.
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Ok. Anyway I decided to purchase it at IPMART using COD. We'll see how it goes.
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post Apr 9 2015, 04:50 PM

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Sorry for the late reply, I'm still in contact with Edifier support.
To get a right bass management, you need to set SW+6 on the controller. In this way, a bass frequency is sent to the LFE that outputs that frequency at right volume. More or less, SW+6 on analog match the SW-0 on digital. Sound is still quite "dry" so to my taste I set SW+8 on analog which provide good and deep bass when needed but not constantly over-bloated. However, I still get problems. For example on 5.1 analog, while SW+6 provide a standard bass-management for frontal speakers, the surround speakers still lacks bass-management at all. Even with maxed out settings (SW+9) if you send a bass frequency to surrounds, the frequency is totally lost. On digital, surrounds have bass management too. Also, the last problem is the static pops on all the analogs and I can't find a way to avoid it.
On this, a future confirmation from John Chaser would be gladly accepted. Try to use it on analog (when you'll receive it, obviously) and tell me if even your unit suffer from this.

The problem on Light = 0 not saved after power off is clearly a "bug" but it's more cosmetic. You have to set it every time you power on the unit (while the other settings are retained).
I'll let you know if there's something new about other "issues".
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Much appreciated on the feedback, mp3dom. smile.gif

Just received a call from the IPMart folks, said my order will be delayed for 2 weeks because it's not in stock. Glad I choose COD. sweat.gif
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QUOTE(mp3dom @ Apr 9 2015, 05:50 PM)
The problem on Light = 0 not saved after power off is clearly a "bug" but it's more cosmetic. You have to set it every time you power on the unit (while the other settings are retained).
I'll let you know if there's something new about other "issues".
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tried muting the setup before powering off to see if it saves your setting? it may work

This post has been edited by power911: Apr 10 2015, 12:15 PM
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post Apr 10 2015, 02:54 PM

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You mean to use the remote to set the unit to mute and then power off? I'll try. Thanks for suggestion.

Edit: Tried it and doesn't work. Light still re-set to 2 after power on

This post has been edited by mp3dom: Apr 11 2015, 07:18 PM
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post Nov 24 2015, 12:13 AM

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So I finally caved in and bought it directly from the Inter-Asia through their main website:
http://www.edifier.com/my/en/speakers/s760...gaming-speakers

Total cost including 6% GST was RM2199. Placed the order on Wednesday night and it arrived on Saturday morning. Quite fast.

I've tested AUX/CD(standard 2.1 stuff) input quite extensively with my handphone and desktop pc(ASUS XONAR DS). Very impressive. The sound coming from the satellites are very clean and doesn't sound muddy. I've tested Dolby ProLogicII as well and honestly I prefer to have that disabled. I also understand why alot of people dislike youtube audio. tongue.gif Music I tested with are Queen's entire album catalog, Mad Max Fury Road Official Score and Metallica's Ride The Lightning. The only 5.1 input I managed to test is optical. I've yet to test on analog 5.1 and I'll explain shortly why. I was curious to hear how DTS Connect/Interactive would perform with my games and movies(VLC). I've only tested with one game only for now and that's Mortal Kombat X. It performed quite admirably. The sounds of bones being shattered, flesh being ripped apart and and other miscellaneous things all sound perfect. The story cinematics utilize the full 5.1 pathways(the usual center for dialogs, side/rear for items behind the camera, etc.). For movies, I only tested with Mad Max Fury Road. Within a few minutes into the movie I already knew I choose right. It sounds as awesome as it should sound for a movie encoded in 5.1. I can't wait to try out my other movie collections on this baby.

Those were the good parts, now for the bad ones. The store page displays it as RM2099. The email I sent to Inter Asia to enquire if the price is including GST and they replied back saying it includes GST. However, upon adding it to your cart the price changes to RM2199. rclxub.gif You guys(interAsia) might wanna check on this. Next is the cabling. If you go to the link I pasted above and scroll all the way down the page you'll see the items that are supposed to be packaged with the device. You don't get the 6 pieces of RCA to RCA cables and 3 pieces of 3.5mm to dual RCA cables as listed on the page. This is why I couldn't perform the analog 5.1 test. I was about to call up Inter Asia on this but decided not to because in the physical manual itself those cables are not listed. Might want to correct the diagram on the website. While the speaker wires to sub are at an adequate length, the given RCA connector cable, 3.5mm audio cable and optical cable are quite short. I would have preferred if they bundled 5 meter cables instead. Guess I'll need to go shopping tomorrow. Then there's the power cord . You'll need to buy a separate adapter to use with your wall sockets. Last is the warranty card. It's not chopped, however I assume I'm covered since I purchased this directly from Inter Asia.

This short review is pretty much no different than the initial one in this page. Minor issues with the cabling aside, I look forward to hearing more from the S760D. And I also look forward to the announcement for the 7.1 version. brows.gif

Screenshots are here:
http://imgur.com/a/7qm42
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post Nov 24 2015, 11:00 AM

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QUOTE(John Chaser @ Nov 24 2015, 12:13 AM)
So I finally caved in and bought it directly from the Inter-Asia through their main website:
http://www.edifier.com/my/en/speakers/s760...gaming-speakers

Total cost including 6% GST was RM2199. Placed the order on Wednesday night and it arrived on Saturday morning. Quite fast.

I've tested AUX/CD(standard 2.1 stuff) input quite extensively with my handphone and desktop pc(ASUS XONAR DS). Very impressive. The sound coming from the satellites are very clean and doesn't sound muddy. I've tested Dolby ProLogicII as well and honestly I prefer to have that disabled. I also understand why alot of people dislike youtube audio. tongue.gif Music I tested with are  Queen's entire album catalog, Mad Max Fury Road Official Score and Metallica's Ride The Lightning. The only 5.1 input I managed to test is optical. I've yet to test on analog 5.1 and I'll explain shortly why. I was curious to hear how DTS Connect/Interactive would perform with my games and movies(VLC). I've only tested with one game only for now and that's Mortal Kombat X. It performed quite admirably. The sounds of bones being shattered, flesh being ripped apart and and other miscellaneous things all sound perfect. The story cinematics utilize the full 5.1 pathways(the usual center for dialogs, side/rear for items behind the camera, etc.). For movies, I only tested with Mad Max Fury Road. Within a few minutes into the movie I already knew I choose right. It sounds as awesome as it should sound for a movie encoded in 5.1. I can't wait to try out my other movie collections on this baby.

Those were the good parts, now for the bad ones. The store page displays it as RM2099. The email I sent to Inter Asia to enquire if the price is including GST and they replied back saying it includes GST. However, upon adding it to your cart the price changes to RM2199.  rclxub.gif You guys(interAsia) might wanna check on this. Next is the cabling. If you go to the link I pasted above and scroll all the way down the page you'll see the items that are supposed to be packaged with the device.  You don't get the 6 pieces of RCA to RCA cables and 3 pieces of 3.5mm to dual RCA cables as listed on the page. This is why I couldn't perform the analog 5.1 test. I was about to call up Inter Asia on this but decided not to because in the physical manual itself those cables are not listed. Might want to correct the diagram on the website. While the speaker wires to sub are at an adequate length, the given RCA connector cable, 3.5mm audio cable and optical cable are quite short. I would have preferred if they bundled 5 meter cables instead. Guess I'll need to go shopping tomorrow. Then there's the power cord . You'll need to buy a separate adapter to use with your wall sockets. Last is the warranty card. It's not chopped, however I assume I'm covered since I purchased this directly from Inter Asia.

This short review is pretty much no different than the initial one in this page. Minor issues with the cabling aside, I look forward to hearing more from the S760D. And I also look forward to the announcement for the 7.1 version. brows.gif

Screenshots are here:
http://imgur.com/a/7qm42
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Hi. thanks for your purchase and review! hope you enjoy listening to it. I'm sorry to tell you that there are some technical issue regarding the website as the speaker itself cost RM2199 instead of RM2099 shown. Our technical team is working on it. Really sorry about it.

do you mind PM me the picture of the cables?
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QUOTE(cheeft @ Nov 24 2015, 11:00 AM)
Hi. thanks for your purchase and review! hope you enjoy listening to it. I'm sorry to tell you that there are some technical issue regarding the website as the speaker itself cost RM2199 instead of RM2099 shown. Our technical team is working on it. Really sorry about it.

do you mind PM me the picture of the cables?
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Please check your PM inbox
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QUOTE(Wirelet @ Nov 29 2015, 10:03 AM)
Looking good & thanks for the heartfelt review !
Must be hard for you with those comments & the tedious work of uploading the pics  wink.gif
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haha thanks.
but I got to say it's all thanks to Edifier that I get to review this unit.
Gotta take as much pics possible to record things down smile.gif
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Additional update, I finally bought myself those analog cables and tested it successfully. For the most part bass redirection seems to be operating fine on analog.
The only differences I noticed is that analog seems to be slightly softer than digital. Example, on optical if I set the volume at 40 then on analog I need to set it at 50.



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