yeap keep the kit lens, it doesn't worth much even if you sell it, furthermore the STM is really lovely.

40mm is around 500-600 right?

Doesn't need prime lens for portrait, any lens can shoot portrait. there's full body, half body and so on, sometimes you need wide angle too.

I would recommend TS something like the tamron 17-50, you get wide angle, you get mid telephoto, you get f2.8, you get good IQ.

Not saying you are wrong but,

Bokeh portrait = good? yes at some, no at some too.

it's not that easy to create really quality bokeh portrait, unless you are one of those who just go "URGHHHH" when looking at the bokeh of background instead of the person's lighting/ posing/ expression and such.

Pros, yes, they have top quality gear (most of them, it's a tool anyways), that's because they CHARGE for each photo shoot, they have the money and the need for top quality gear.

Is TS a professional? no. we shouldn't always take Pro gear into consideration when most of us just take photos for our own pleasure, instead of working for client.

Professional because they can produce quality pictures that worth money, not because the gears they use.

Well... If you are rich, buy all the expensive gears. If not, get what you can.

Pros say like that because they have the skill to backup. Most pro out there started with cheap gears then slowly upgrade as they found limitations.

The 50mm is cheap and expensive. Why? Its cheap for the aperture, sharpness and the price. Expensive for those who can't afford it and don't need it.

We should wait for ts to reply instead of wasting time arguing. If he doesn't reply then no need for more in depth discussion.

arrr.... person who can earn money from their skills?

Again, do you actually knows what kit lens means? A 24-70 can be a kit lens, a 18-55 can be a kit lens, a 35 f1.4 can be a kit lens, so?

Lets say photographer no.1 uses a Canon 85mm f1.8, it's not a kit lens. another photographer can use a Canon 85mm f1.2. Both of them get paid by client for pictures, what do you think?

You should learn to accept people's opinions when you want people to accept you.

http://www.canon.com.my/personal/products/...languageCode=EN

please la.

Did I even mention it's a 24-70mm f2.8?

You mistook my statement at first.

End of the discussion, I don't wanna waste my effort explaining already.

is this still doesn't satisfy you, i'm totally speechless.

http://www.amazon.com/Olympus-OM-D-E-M1-Mi...l/dp/B00EY6AV3W

mind you, the 12-40 is olympus's flagship zoom that's built like a tank, has IQ on par with 24-70 f2.8.

are you plain stupid or what? you can order the exact same thing in Malaysia, go ask any camera shop you can get the same package.

Since when I am pressing on Canon? find me the post. I am talking about camera, yes this thread is about canon, but when i mention kit lens, i don't even bring in Canon as the specific brand I am meaning.

arr... my brother currently studying medical and what you say is not true at all.

yes a pharmacist knows the basic, but if someone asks a pharmacist to do surgery, he is a plain idiot.

a doctor is a qualified person who can perform surgery.

the way you saying is like, a photographer should be able to produce the same thing as a videographer do?

yes they both know how to compose, how to get the right exposure, but at the end the result will be different for sure.

this is my last reply, if you still intend to argue then go ahead,.

goldfries shootkk

We really should just ignore that guy, he's so full of himself thinking he is all right and we are all wrong

Cannot take macro with kit lens? What if I say I did? Following 4 shots taken using EosM+22mm kit lens, RM1k combo. If I can, what says you? I am not even a professional, just a hobbyist.














and took with 18-135mm + 550D, rm2k combo.

yalah, those are cheap lenses, so what? I can still create good quality photos that are acceptable.

PF t.J. I did that with my 50mm before, but dark viewfinder is really hard to use, super sharp images though from that setup since the 50mm is sharp at f8 already.

Kinda same thing, depends on how you call it.

Funny to see when everyone is against you yet you call others joker instead of asking yourself if you did anything wrong, what kind of attitude is this.