Well it's connected: I brought up my background because I was personally affected by RONA. What language are you more comfortable with btw? You can campur some BM or some chinese if you want. I got a D for chinese in PMR but still boleh tahan la haha

i speak english, i am indonesian. but the problem, speaking indonesian oso people can mis understood. actually i prefer talk english cuz indonesian vocabs / tenses are limited... there is no past present future tenses in indonesian... even worse, forgot to put "yesterday" people can assume "present continuous".

The issue is trust. are u trusting me or not ?

if we discuss RONA, kill RONA and you will be healed.
if we discuss you, RONA exist or not, you are liberated.

that's why i prefer kill RONA. leave decky untouched.

This post has been edited by de1929: Nov 2 2014, 10:59 PM

I didn't say you interfere in their lives, was just showing examples of how these other criticizer did.

It may be a different topic but I've seen it happened and I think it's uncalled for. Don't talk about people writing book on other people, Even in youtube videos.
I think Christian authors should write more about Jesus Christ and stick to him only.

I can give you example: The usual targets: Joyce Meyer, Joseph Prince, TD Jakes even Kenneth Hagin is not spared. That made me want to see what the fuss is all about. I have a look at their videos and some of them are very good. For example Joyce meyer's sermon on Trusting God when God is silence. Or TD Jakes sermon on How to be resilient Christians. I think they're good insight because it encourages and brings people back to God or causes Christians to press in into deeper relationship with God even when the going gets tough. I don't see what is wrong with that. Is it heretic to teach that? Common Man, enough of this witch hunting.

I believe Osteen was misunderstood by large.

Every Man of God has different calling and gifting. Osteen ministry is to reach out to the unsaved and demotivated / back slided Christians. That is his calling.
If any Christian want deeper spiritual nourishment, Osteen is not the teacher to look for.

As for the prosperity gospel, bring it out here, in exact detail what Osteen said about it. Did you hear the entire sermon or just snippets of it?

And about your mission leader, what is wrong if you give her some of your grace? Give her a break and a chance. Why condemn her? Have you asked her what she really meant in person? I don't really care who is wrong or right but I don't like internal conflicts in the body Christ. The world is already giving so much problem and we still have the time to throw stones at our own brethren? This is really beyond me.

Twisting? I didn't twist you or anyone. Stop that paranoia.

Merits? I'm very familiar with what you're trying to say. You mean to tell me, this is new to me? Common man.

When the HS convict, He speaks with the inner spirit man. He normally operate in still small voice and usually of peace. And it's a conviction by the HS, not by you or me. You and I can say anything, we can shout at each other even though it's pointless but at the end of the day, it's that inner conviction from the HS that speaks to us. Not our voices.

Scandals? There you go again. Are you all knowing like God? I think we can all agree, nobody is, I think we should drop all these finger pointing. why Because we are not qualified. Only God is qualified to point finger.


What do you mean liberalism and Atheism? lol don't get you.

TD Jakes doesn't believe in the trinity, Joseph Prince affirms the prosperity gospel (evident on his website), Osteen goes a step further and claims that mormons are saved.

Look, I've already made my point that this "judgment" of other "teachers" is a scripturally justifiable one. The fact that you took the video as a personal attack on Osteen instead of his teaching is another example of how you've completely missed the plot.

I know what you're trying to get at: unity. I really wish the church would be united too and that we will stop fighting! But unity is meaningless if we base it on nothing! You see, the reason why so many evangelical Christians; be it preachers, scholars or normal members; criticize the teachers you mentioned is because the issues that they teach are extremely unhealthy and it's poisoning the body of Christ, THAT'S why they' feel compelled to call them out. The word "poison" is not an exaggeration. The early Church fathers DIED defending the doctrine of the trinity, and here you have people happily saying that God isn't a trinity but still remain Christians. (Also, news is that TD Jakes moved away from his views on the trinity and now believes in the trinity; many of his past critics were happy because of it)

It's about love UW. We love Jesus so much that we cannot tolerate him and his gospel being spat and trampled on. Many responsible pastors call them out only because it's absolutely necessary not because they syok-sendiri, but because they love the sheep that they shepherd and do not want them to fall into such lies. We don't have to be all knowing because of how the spirit has given us the Bible to help us discern between false and true teachers, UW!

Like the TD Jakes example, I think every critic of Osteen would be overjoyed if he would just recant of his position (like TD Jakes did) because their brother has returned!

You lead a youth ministry, if someone comes to your church and tells your youth that God was actually a woman, and that they aren't really sinners and that they actually earned their salvation by their works, what would you do?

No, That's why I say.....you don't see their entire sermon. Like Joseph prince for example, I've seen the entire gist of it and I can understand what he meant, you don't. You just see snippets of here and there and conclude wrongly.

I can confirm it's not prosperity gospel.

I don't believe there's such a thing as justifiable Judgement of other teachers.

You want to love Jesus? Love people, no matter how bad they are. Because those who don't is a liar, that is in the scripture. Loving Jesus is not about scripture competition.

Even Jesus talked about that, you think it's all about scripture?

If you cannot tolerate means you have humility problem. Christ is so humble and so humble... Isn't meekness is one of the Christian value and strength ?

But our warfare is spiritual warfare. no meekness applied to demons / devil / satan. Bind is bind, Release is release.

I'll first ask that guy why? what made him came to that conclusion? Give him an opportunity to talk. Hear him out.

Then I'll ask him to check the Bible, see if that is how the Bible describe it. I'll then explain my part. If he doesn't agree, fine, we can agree to disagree but I'm not going to choke his neck or something.

Sigh here we go again... Look, I'm going to argue from authority: many of the men in the best seminaries out there who have understood the bible far better than the both of us combined would agree with denouncing false teachers and their teaching.

It's not that they(those who rebuke) don't love people, but learn from the way Jesus and the apostles showed their love too: They rebuked IN love. Have you heard what harsh words Jesus used against the pharisees IN public? Paul publicly CURSED those who taught a gospel different than the one he was preaching. John the baptist called the pharisees BROOD OF VIPERS.

As for Prince, then you have an odd way of understanding his sermon, can confirm that not just me but thousands of others will agree that he preaches the prosperity gospel. Unless you can provide me wth a source of him saying that being a Christian won't guarantee you wealth and might even cost you your life, I hold to what I believe.

And answer my question: You lead a youth group, someone comes in with authority and teaches your youth that Jesus wasn't really God and that He was a woman. What would you do?

Those people don't have authority on top of UW nor me. I can answer on behalf of UW on this issue. This is lowyat forum, not a protestant church.

That's why you never gonna convince both of us with any amount of teaching which you think correct.

Actually, many tried already and we both still same cuz of GOD's grace.

Jesus only reserve his harshest word for the Pharisee of that day, no one else.

When Paul said Let him be cursed, (which is a double curse) it means: Leaving the person (to be) outside of the grace of God. Vurnerable to Satan's attack.
He's not cursing as in swearing at them, that's the difference.

Besides what's the point that Jesus asks us not to curse but to bless? Do not repay evil with evil but with good? hmmm?

You seem to forget what God's word say about our warfare is not with people...but with the...(complete the sentence)??? I'm sure you know this.

Huh? If you're the one who suggested that, you should be providing which part of him saying that, not the other way round. if you can't then just admit you don't know what he meant. And there are hundred of thousands who actually agree with him too. See their testimony of how Jesus has change their lives. Go and see it.

Already answered you.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Nov 2 2014, 11:52 PM

I'm appealing to the authority of those who have studied the Bible more than all of us, not from a denominational standpoint

Wah lau eh....

Didn't I said this to you already?



Receive what is right and to ignore those that doesn't edify? You missed that out on purpose or what?

I know...

me and UW we didn't submit to authority: "those who have studied the bible more than all of us"
me and UW we didn't submit to authority: denominational standpoint.

me and UW we submit to authority of Christ, and our leader that can speak to our live.

unless you mean something else, cmiiw

(you should check out what Jesus says about the rich btw)

LOL No one is trying to choke Joel Osteen or Prince, I don't know many who would swear at them, and this isn't what we're talking about. We're talking about openly rebuking them! Rebuking doesn't mean you send them bullets or choke them, you're just addressing their teaching and saying that they're wrong. We don't do evil to them, we don't murder their families or lie about them to slander them. We don't come up with false accusations about them sleeping around or anything just to bring them down. We just publicly announce that we are distancing ourselves from them, why, and why we disagree strongly with them (which was what the video was doing).

Why publicly? Because many have tried emailing them at the start of their ministries but they were adamant.

Here's one: http://www.josephprince.org/store/0047-god...our-prosperity/

authority of Christ = Authority of Bible because it's HIS words.

Don't obey Bible = don't obey Christ.

Don't understand Bible = Don't understand Christ

wrong. The bible Christ think of, not the bible you think of.

God Bless you mate

Decky

Now do you understand why I ask HS so much ? cuz i want to know what Christ think about NIV / Amplified bible.

This post has been edited by de1929: Nov 3 2014, 12:05 AM

Yes I know what Jesus said about the rich but it's not what you think it is.

I want the entire content of that sermon. Which part is not right. Snippet is not justifiable because it's not complete.

LOL either you didn't click on the link at all or you didn't even try to understand what was being said on that link.

I rest my case.




Do you know why Solomon had 700 wives? Because he never met you *badumptss*



Goodnight and god bless!