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post Sep 12 2006, 09:03 PM

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*looking at chocobee_2707's pic and wonders for a short moment*

those twin mid range drivers of the mx5021 sure look cool and are quite interesting. no one has ever talked about bass/mid integration before dry.gif

i dont think AL would be cheesy enough to have all 4 drivers produce the same frequency range [or perhaps they ARE that bad?? unsure.gif brows.gif]; it should be interesting to see how they perform!


edit:
looking at AL's page, i wonder if the horn tweeter has anything to do with the brightness that has been talked about?

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post Sep 13 2006, 04:14 AM

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QUOTE(evilnickwong @ Sep 12 2006, 11:58 PM)
Er Silon dude, surely you don't mean you never knew what was behind the cloth covers of the MX5021 up till now?

Anyhow, I get what chidori means when he says it sounds "digital". It's so bright that you could say the sound it produces is very "fabricated" at times. Definitely nothing to associate with neutrality.
But dude chidori, believe me, the Z2300 does lack alot of things in the midrange, so don't get it unless you really really want loads of bass (that isn't even well defined to begin with).
OT: sad.gif If my Inspires don't sell, I'm gonna be stuck with them for awhile more.
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well, i knew for a fact that each sat has twin drivers [if thats what youre talking about; i had no idea of the horn loaded tweeter!] for a long time but they really struck me when i saw them in real life once: the sats were HUGE!
but somehow i never gave them much thought though tongue.gif

as for the brightness:
*the bells ring in silon's head* horn loaded tweeter! horn loaded tweeter!! laugh.gif laugh.gif

seriously, i really wonder if its all down to that damn tweeter?? unsure.gif

evilnickwong, there isnt anything that cant be sold in this world [well, except for really preposterous things of course laugh.gif]. i suppose its all a matter of 'how low are you willing to go' laugh.gif but too low and you might just be better off keeping it laugh.gif

QUOTE(chocobee_2707 @ Sep 13 2006, 02:09 AM)
i dont think all 4 mid range drivers produce the same frequency range. the lower driver produce lower freq, and the higher produce higher freq. maybe only me feel that way sweat.gif, or resonance from the table. there also hissing problem for mx5021 when the speaker idle. just same problem as GMX.

I really like it(mx5021) sound for musics. i never try those high end speaker, just compare with my roomate GMX. but for movies or anything that need for bass, i prefer GMX.

*sorry for bad english*
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perhaps you can try doing this?

driver1: [ear]

driver2:


then move your ear down to the 2nd driver and see if you could hear a difference laugh.gif

not having great english is not a crime bro, you have nothing to apologise for tongue.gif
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post Sep 13 2006, 02:39 PM

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QUOTE(evilnickwong @ Sep 13 2006, 08:26 AM)
Well if I can't sell it, my own rationale says I can't get new speakers. 'Sides, I just received two *cough*speeding*cough* letters a few days ago, so reluctant to buy without selling. laugh.gif

Do all horn loaded tweeters sound bright? But the GMX has horn loaded tweeters too doesn't it, I don't think I've heard anyone describe it as bright.
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LOL, it pays to drive slowly eh? brows.gif

i dont know, they didnt give me the impression of being warm/laid back/plesant the one time i listened to them. i suppose that is reason enough to call them bright? unsure.gif

QUOTE(saiga @ Sep 13 2006, 01:06 PM)
bro,can recommend me any newer warmer sound card for my GMX? budget around rm 200++
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the av710 is very very warm and extremely pleasant.
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post Sep 13 2006, 03:24 PM

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QUOTE(saiga @ Sep 13 2006, 03:10 PM)
Bro,i know from this forum that this AV71o is good,but the problem is hard to find.If want bulk still need to wait at least 1-2 month even after receive 10 orders.That's why i'm asking about NEWER sound card. doh.gif
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theres nothing wrong with the age of the item; newer things can still be worse. besides, there isnt anything at this price that can even come remotely close to how the av710 sounds.
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post Sep 15 2006, 06:31 PM

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QUOTE(saiga @ Sep 15 2006, 06:19 PM)
if like that,better save a bit more and go for GMX 5.1  whistling.gif
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im not trying to start a flame war or anything, but dont be foolish. the GMX is no where near the aegoM in terms of objective performance smile.gif
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post Sep 15 2006, 07:32 PM

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QUOTE(saiga @ Sep 15 2006, 07:27 PM)
Bro,please understand.i never said that GMX is better.What i mean is if you keep asking the person to top up more and more how can he get good speaker within his budget?

As example,this guy asking which one to choose AL MX5021 or Klipsch GMX 2.1.Both are around same price RM500.WHY DO YOU NEED to recommend something that is more expensive like Aego M?Because the sound quality?Then why don't you just recommend gigaworks etc.

Btw,I do't know why you hated Klipsch so much.Jealous perhaps? whistling.gif
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if that was your point then your post implied otherwise.

if you look closely, i wasnt the one who asked for him to top up for anything smile.gif

ahhh, YES YES YES im SOOOOO jealous over those klipschs. they SOOOOOOOOO good and because i cant afford them im VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY jealous. doh.gif
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post Sep 15 2006, 08:54 PM

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QUOTE(Omegaminx @ Sep 15 2006, 07:47 PM)
Sorry to chip in from nowhere, if my $0.02 is of any worth to the original poster, I would get the AL MX5021 anyday over the GMX2.1.
If you were talking between the MX5021 vs original Klipsch ProMedia 2.1(not the GMX space-ship-like system), then I might sway towards the ProMedia 2.1 as there are enough reviews online to justify that too.....otherwise, if RM500 is the tops, buy the 5021....take care! smile.gif
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hello Omegaminx!

did you listen to the mx5021 before? im curious: how did you find them to be? *brows.gif perhaps you can even compare them to the aegoM and elaborate on the differences? brows.gif*

ive never had the chance to listen to them before sad.gif


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oh and btw, i think i should apologise for inadvertently causing the heaty reply to your post sweat.gif

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post Sep 16 2006, 03:53 PM

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QUOTE(The Scourge @ Sep 16 2006, 03:46 PM)
OMG, what's going on here lol biggrin.gif!

Short version:

Compared MX5021 and GMX 2.1. GMX 2.1 > MX5021. Got GMX 2.1. Got Aego M. Aego M > GMX 2.1 for music. Using GMX 2.1 more for all round performance. The End. biggrin.gif
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never willing to settle for summaries, im afriad im gonna have to ask you to elaborate whistling.gif laugh.gif
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QUOTE(The Scourge @ Sep 16 2006, 06:25 PM)
Read all my previous posts on the topic in other threads then biggrin.gif. 'Nuff said.
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a quick search of your previous posts revealed a recent [and lenghty] post on the gmx, the mx5021 and the aegoM
» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «

the one comparison againts the mx5021 i did read was personal preference on 'overall sound signature' which of course is a subjective thing and your preference would most probably vary greatly to the next guy.

cheers.
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post Sep 18 2006, 06:51 PM

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well, im sure many of us would love to swim endlessly in nostalgia but fast forward to today and their 'heritage' isnt doing them much, is it? laugh.gif
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PcWork, i dont hate AL or klipsch, but i must say im not too convinced of them either. so dont take this or what ive said/gonna say the wrong way laugh.gif


as with the bright cables that AE supplies with the aegoM, i cant help but wonder what kind of a company could do something like this?

[in this paragraph im talking about other companies as a whole]
design a top notch speaker to conquer its intended market and at the same time ruin the product with crappy components? i dont care what the reason is. it just shows what kind of a company it is.

i know, i know, they need to sell more in order to make more, but there has got to be a minimum level on how low companies will suck down to in order to sell.

as for AE and the AM in particular, the image of AE that will always remain in my mind is of a company that is willing to sell the aegoM in its current form [with the crappy cables] and market the AM as a hifi speaker. needless to say, i wont be looking at AE with high regard when i move to bookshelfs in the future. [the fact that admist all the *$^!% hype and reviews no one (except one or two people here tongue.gif) was able to clearly state how it sounds just adds bitterness to my experience dry.gif]



and thanks alot for your opinion on the AM vs mx5021 thumbup.gif

i do have a few questions though:

1. you mentioned the Zen micro and 320kbps MP3. so i assume you ripped from a CD at 320kbps and then uploaded the files to the zen micro and played on both speakers?

2.'not too sharp'. so it is sharp, but not too sharp? unsure.gif

3. mid range is stronger than the aegom: do you mean you hear EVEN more vocals and the mid range??

4.'hard bass'. can you please explain a bit on this? sweat.gif


how was the environment btw? any nasty tiles or lots of reflective walls?

once again, thanks for the descriptions biggrin.gif
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post Sep 18 2006, 09:12 PM

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QUOTE(PcWork @ Sep 18 2006, 08:44 PM)
1. yes. both play from my zen player. same album same song.
Josh Groban First Album - Josh Groban ,
Track 3. You're Still You

Josh Groban 2nd Album -
Track 5 . When You Say You Love Me.
This two track i listen a few time.
got other song. those blassing bass one...

2. well.. it's like it is clear. but some times, when the song "memang" have a lot of treble there. mx5021 tend to "poke" my ear a bit... sort of unconfortable with the level of treble. but with proper positioning. that can be slove.

3. lower mid. where those male singer with low vocal, will sound actually thicker in mx5021. but IMHO quite muffle compare to AM.

4. those bass like "bam bam bam"... higher HZ ,, or i should call it mid bass.. =P
aego is like "Doooom"
my room has reflective wall, very small. but some minor treatment done, like stick some sponge. use tennis ball as a stand for my woofer... eg.
the MX5021 is placed on rack, at open space. with carpet.
their rack has many layer. so i put the satelite on the rack which is same level as my ear. distance is 1.5M. and woofer on floor, side to wall.
that's best i can do. else the shop ppl will kill me for messing around with their speaker.
ps: all the sound comparison is some how based on my impression. after i heard MX. i go home straight away to listen to AEGO..
PS: silon. perhaps the reason u and i have different opinion with AM is because i changed the stock cable to Canare L-4E6S the first day i got it. not sure L-4E6S is better or not. but my fren, anand__2 which also using canare cable for his AEGO M claim that there's a different.
as for myself. i didnt really try to listen to the stock cable. but in my impression i though it is some how quite similar to canare.

conclusion : sound of mx5021 is particular very ok for a computer speaker. perhaps. IMHO it's much better than GMX.  watching movie (FF;advent children, Demo) is so nice.  and i guess that's why it has a THX over it. everythings well controled. sound stage is some how narrow compare to AM. it's like firing the song direct to your ear. no atmosphere. and close your eye. you can point where the sat is... and this problems comes with every multimedia speaker i ever heard. including GMX (super narrow sound stage)
but for multimedia speaker Mx5021 has the best sound stage i ever heard.
AM. while comparing it to MX, i can feel that AM is slightly "not so aggresive" sound compare to mx. so meaning it can play song loud, yet you can relax. but when comes to movie, i think people prefer mx5021 which can blass until the floor is shaking... (trust me AM in my room shake my floor too, with bass =1 )

if my MAX budget is RM 550, i will definately take MX5021. =) well. i said "I" prefef how mx sound. no offend to GMX lovers.
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great! i forgot to ask about speaker placement somewhere along the way but it seems you sorted it out thumbup.gif

once again, thanks for the detailed descriptions. i woudnt have settled for anything less biggrin.gif biggrin.gif whistling.gif tongue.gif thumbup.gif

no.2 and "it's like firing the song direct to your ear. no atmosphere. and close your eye. you can point where the sat is... " is enough to say its bright. super no-no for me laugh.gif
btw, did you notice the AM's mid range emphasis on the mx5021?

no.3: got what you mean. im assuming they werent many additional factors manipulating the overall sound by a large margin and from your descriptions, it sounds as though the mx5021 has been tweaked all over the frequency response spectrum to 'enchance' its sound unsure.gif

no4 has something to do with the speakers emphasis on the mid bass/upper bass/lower mids and is quite the same as no3, right?




as for the difference in sound before and after the cables, well, im more interested to know how it is different laugh.gif


excellent post. its thoroughly informative thumbup.gif


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post Sep 18 2006, 10:41 PM

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QUOTE(PcWork @ Sep 18 2006, 09:20 PM)
i feel MX5021 some how emphasis on lower mid. it's like the satelite and woofer both playing the lowermid... making it very very thick.. and some how quite muffle.. as the woofer is mono, and the midrange is "terkacau" AM also have sort of problems. but not as serious as mx. if i choose a describ to sound of MX. it will be like going through slight V shaped EQ.where the lowest point is upper mid.

sound before/ after recable of AM. will need to check back, hear it for longer periods then i update with you. this few days kinda busy for exam + assignment.

a female singer voice is some how not as smooth as AM especially when the singer sing louder... it's like got "spike" along the spectrum , and not smooth.

i say this is kinda mx is a bad speaker, infact, it still quite impressive. at least i give it higest ranking among all computer speaker i ever heard. it is bad when compare to AM , according to my song, my taste, under the specific testing environment. =)
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well, i suppose in a way, its only natural. i mean, how many multimedia speakers out there ship with the *right* amounts of bass? even the aegoM has slightly elevated bass levels. the bass bloat is bound to get in the way of the midrange right laugh.gif

btw did you notice anything different [or anything at all, lol] with the twin drivers in the sats? was there any difference in terms of the sensation and overall feel of music?


OH, youre gonna do the with/without cable change comparison yourself? GREAT! thanks alot! thumbup.gif
oh and btw, if i wanted them, how much do they cost and most importantly of all, where do i get them?


hmmmm ive had the aegoM+0404+celine dion shoutings before and i can assure you, theyre werent fun AT ALL shakehead.gif

i still wonder whether this is caused by the horn loaded tweeter on the mx5021? i did a short [perhaps too short] read on horn loaded drivers a few days ago and apparently the problem is down to the horn resonating and colouring the sound. im thinking it resonates and colours the higher frequencies unsure.gif


i think its best if we agree to disagree on the hifi/computer speaker part whistling.gif laugh.gif



edited ugly spelling errors laugh.gif

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post Sep 24 2006, 04:18 AM

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QUOTE(CGLegacy @ Sep 21 2006, 04:51 PM)
hmm... i think there are some cases where... you bought a speaker... listen for it a few times and then u love it.... but later... u feel the other way....
and there are also cases where u hate the sound when u first heard it.... or just not satisfying enough.... but then later u will feel that ur ears love that same produced sound of the same speaker.... weird huh??? some people notice it while their speakers go through the "burn-in" process... others may only felt the psychology change in them.... so it is still up to them... their ears and their mind... how they want to receive the new sound... and get used to it....
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some speakers, they impress you on the first listen but if you listen longer then you'll feel fatiqued and so on, if im not mistaken these are called 'effect speakers' or something - shit stuff IMO tongue.gif

some speakers are just so low beyond your standard that you just feel like lambasting them like theres no tomorrow biggrin.gif

some speakers are actually good, but like things you didnt see at the first glance, you just didnt bother with them. later you grow to love them? laugh.gif

some speakers, they just sound down right right! thoroughly neutral, balanced, detailed and just so right! those are the speakers i want! drool.gif thumbup.gif

but at the end of the day, its all subjective and everyone has their own preference right? biggrin.gif

QUOTE(PcWork @ Sep 23 2006, 09:03 PM)
by the way. i think... with the treble and bass level set to neutral at MX5021. the horn isn't colouring the sound quite much. and IMHO, as bright as ATP3. but slightly over power... very slightly. if can custom replace the caps inside the tweeter to tame it down. should be perfect. some how i quite like the twin drive mid range. it provide power compare to singel drive. where it can pump out some sound all in suddent... and can feel the power. especially when plucking the guitar string, it can feel how hard the people plug it. ( of course, AM also can hear =P)
and it's less distortion compare to singel drive. (1 drive lawan 2 drive, sure 2 drive win) some more. when compare to bigger driver speaker. the 2 X 3 "  did provide more detail sound, i believe smaller drive can move faster in this case.
so twin drive i assume it can provide some detail than single bigger drive, and also provide louder sound than singel drive which is same size.
speaker might sound better than those with THX.
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i havent heard of the ATP3 before so i cant comment but the point i was trying to make was that the resonance coloured the upper frequencies and in turn created excessive sharpness/brightness. i cant say for sure, but if im not mistake this is a common problem with badly designed horns. i dont think there is much doubt that this is the cause of the 'problem' with the GMX.

wait, im confused with this one. youre saying the mx5021's twin drivers provide a better feel when compared to the aegoM, but detail wise they sound the same?
but there is a fine line between being detailed and being detailed because of being bright, dont you agree? unsure.gif

QUOTE(quinzzy @ Sep 23 2006, 10:54 PM)
izzit a waste to buy good speaker without good soundcard?? i'm using laptop and dunno wat is the brand of the sound card....
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definately. you cant do one without the other, but of course, when youre really tight for cash no one has a choice, right? laugh.gif

whatever the sound 'chip' in your lappy is [most likely an AC97] it probably woudnt be of much good if youre gonna pair it with >rm250 speakers!

 

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