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 Altec Lansing MX5021 or Klipsch Promedia GMX 2.1, Pair with Audigy 2ZS

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post Sep 13 2006, 10:39 AM

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QUOTE(chocobee_2707 @ Sep 12 2006, 08:55 PM)
movie and game. i think GMX is better for u. mostly becoz of GMX's powerful sub.
so u from MMU Melaka, stygix just increase their price for GMX. last month they sell it for RM490 only.
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if you only want woofer, booomy, and muddy.. go for VS4121. the king of muddy.

else if you want a little bit more balance drive. go for mx5021.
no point getting GMX. imho. the GMX has everythings great. but except the low cost paper cone driver, potentiometer, and the super narrow sound stage,
it's excellent for blassing though. but i just don't quite like how it sound. just personal taste. =) it sound like a car audio to me.

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post Sep 18 2006, 03:09 PM

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QUOTE(CGLegacy @ Sep 18 2006, 12:35 PM)
haha... a proud klipsch user here... i started one similar thread last year.... but i didnt compare the gmx with the al mx5021... i compared it with edifier s2.1 and i know edifier is more to music... i own the cheap edifier 102... sweet sound and bass... for just rm65... plus i think my speaker already burn-in... so u may imagine how is the sound now thumbup.gif .... as for my klipsch... i love it.... the bass is powerful but not sloppy... no offense to altec lansing users... but i still prefer klispch, edifier more than altec lansing.... plus they are more established company even in high-end home teather systems.... correct me if im wrong...

and u may consider the aego2 series...
dunno whether they still sell it now or not... try ur luck....
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the old school altec lansing are built for cinema / home theather. their old floor stander like "santana" still owned by some person and still love it until today. =)
in USA, midland has their own car team to carry speaker. but altec lansing around 10 plus years ago has their own plane team to carry and deliver their speaker. no doubt., they did successfull once last time.

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post Sep 18 2006, 07:05 PM

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well as their main designer left altec lansing they produce crap mainly. i didn't deny it.
what is my point is. klipsch is famous for their speaker long time ago. so do altec lansing.
and klipsch now also producing somethings good for cinema speaker.but undenyable somethings bad. so as altec lansing. i stay neutral in this case not offending or protecting any brand. =)
just to share somethings i had read, or nostalgia you call.
i am pretty sure there's bunch of people hate Mx5021. and also another bunch of people hate klipsch GMX. and some even call call it as a joke.
as a so call big and famous company produce somethings with imbalance sound at low volume... what you call it?
=) i myself feel pretty annoying for that. they can add another couple bucks, to buy a better pot. they just don't wanna do it.

anyway. threadstarter had got himself a GMX.


by the way. i compared mx5021 with AEGO M .
MX5021 in shop(The mines, E-Lite Computer Shop) VS AEGO M in my room.
source. creative ZEN Micro.
mp3 rip from CD 320 KbPS.
cable = 9" canare L-4E6S with normal gold plug.

over impression.... (ps test is not conduct A/B)
altec lansing overall quite ok. treble is nice. not too sharp in my ear. bass is tight.
but sound stage is much more narrow than the AEGO.
and i found the lower mid of altec is some how stronger compare to AEGO M.
BASS. AEGO M bass is shaking. and relatively DEEP compare to altec lansing. altec lansing produce a lot of hard bass. which i guess the resonance point for the woofer box is tune at around 60-70 hz.

while aego M in room. is kinda deep...
as i said. it's in room. sure much deeper.
besides the environment factor. i guess
AEGO M is much more woth to take. i feel the performance is much more better.


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post Sep 18 2006, 08:44 PM

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QUOTE(Silon @ Sep 18 2006, 08:00 PM)
and thanks alot for your opinion on the AM vs mx5021 thumbup.gif

i do have a few questions though:

1. you mentioned the Zen micro and 320kbps MP3. so i assume you ripped from a CD at 320kbps and then uploaded the files to the zen micro and played on both speakers?


2.'not too sharp'. so it is sharp, but not too sharp? unsure.gif


3. mid range is stronger than the aegom: do you mean you hear EVEN more vocals and the mid range??



4.'hard bass'. can you please explain a bit on this? sweat.gif
how was the environment btw? any nasty tiles or lots of reflective walls?


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1. yes. both play from my zen player. same album same song.
Josh Groban First Album - Josh Groban ,
Track 3. You're Still You

Josh Groban 2nd Album -
Track 5 . When You Say You Love Me.
This two track i listen a few time.
got other song. those blassing bass one...

2. well.. it's like it is clear. but some times, when the song "memang" have a lot of treble there. mx5021 tend to "poke" my ear a bit... sort of unconfortable with the level of treble. but with proper positioning. that can be slove.

3. lower mid. where those male singer with low vocal, will sound actually thicker in mx5021. but IMHO quite muffle compare to AM.

4. those bass like "bam bam bam"... higher HZ ,, or i should call it mid bass.. =P
aego is like "Doooom"
my room has reflective wall, very small. but some minor treatment done, like stick some sponge. use tennis ball as a stand for my woofer... eg.
the MX5021 is placed on rack, at open space. with carpet.
their rack has many layer. so i put the satelite on the rack which is same level as my ear. distance is 1.5M. and woofer on floor, side to wall.
that's best i can do. else the shop ppl will kill me for messing around with their speaker.


ps: all the sound comparison is some how based on my impression. after i heard MX. i go home straight away to listen to AEGO..
PS: silon. perhaps the reason u and i have different opinion with AM is because i changed the stock cable to Canare L-4E6S the first day i got it. not sure L-4E6S is better or not. but my fren, anand__2 which also using canare cable for his AEGO M claim that there's a different.
as for myself. i didnt really try to listen to the stock cable. but in my impression i though it is some how quite similar to canare.

conclusion : sound of mx5021 is particular very ok for a computer speaker. perhaps. IMHO it's much better than GMX. watching movie (FF;advent children, Demo) is so nice. and i guess that's why it has a THX over it. everythings well controled. sound stage is some how narrow compare to AM. it's like firing the song direct to your ear. no atmosphere. and close your eye. you can point where the sat is... and this problems comes with every multimedia speaker i ever heard. including GMX (super narrow sound stage)
but for multimedia speaker Mx5021 has the best sound stage i ever heard.
AM. while comparing it to MX, i can feel that AM is slightly "not so aggresive" sound compare to mx. so meaning it can play song loud, yet you can relax. but when comes to movie, i think people prefer mx5021 which can blass until the floor is shaking... (trust me AM in my room shake my floor too, with bass =1 )

if my MAX budget is RM 550, i will definately take MX5021. =) well. i said "I" prefef how mx sound. no offend to GMX lovers.


This post has been edited by PcWork: Sep 18 2006, 08:56 PM
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post Sep 18 2006, 09:20 PM

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QUOTE(Silon @ Sep 18 2006, 09:12 PM)
great! i forgot to ask about speaker placement somewhere along the way but it seems you sorted it out thumbup.gif

once again, thanks for the detailed descriptions. i woudnt have settled for anything less biggrin.gif biggrin.gif whistling.gif tongue.gif thumbup.gif

no.2 and "it's like firing the song direct to your ear. no atmosphere. and close your eye. you can point where the sat is... " is enough to say its bright. super no-no for me laugh.gif
btw, did you notice the AM's mid range emphasis on the mx5021?

no.3: got what you mean. im assuming they werent many additional factors manipulating the overall sound by a large margin and from your descriptions, it sounds as though the mx5021 has been tweaked all over the frequency response spectrum to 'enchance' its sound unsure.gif

no4 has something to do with the speakers emphasis on the mid bass/upper bass/lower mids and is quite the same as no3, right?
as for the difference in sound before and after the cables, well, im more interested to know how it is different laugh.gif
excellent post. its thoroughly informative thumbup.gif
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i feel MX5021 some how emphasis on lower mid. it's like the satelite and woofer both playing the lowermid... making it very very thick.. and some how quite muffle.. as the woofer is mono, and the midrange is "terkacau" AM also have sort of problems. but not as serious as mx. if i choose a describ to sound of MX. it will be like going through slight V shaped EQ.where the lowest point is upper mid.

sound before/ after recable of AM. will need to check back, hear it for longer periods then i update with you. this few days kinda busy for exam + assignment.

a female singer voice is some how not as smooth as AM especially when the singer sing louder... it's like got "spike" along the spectrum , and not smooth.

i say this is kinda mx is a bad speaker, infact, it still quite impressive. at least i give it higest ranking among all computer speaker i ever heard. it is bad when compare to AM , according to my song, my taste, under the specific testing environment. =)


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post Sep 20 2006, 10:30 AM

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QUOTE(Silon @ Sep 18 2006, 10:41 PM)
well, i suppose in a way, its only natural. i mean, how many multimedia speakers out there ship with the *right* amounts of bass? even the aegoM has slightly elevated bass levels. the bass bloat is bound to get in the way of the midrange right laugh.gif

btw did you notice anything different [or anything at all, lol] with the twin drivers in the sats? was there any difference in terms of the sensation and overall feel of music?
OH, youre gonna do the with/without cable change comparison yourself? GREAT! thanks alot!  thumbup.gif
oh and btw, if i wanted them, how much do they cost and most importantly of all, where do i get them?
hmmmm ive had the aegoM+0404+celine dion shoutings before and i can assure you, theyre werent fun AT ALL  shakehead.gif

i still wonder whether this is caused by the horn loaded tweeter on the mx5021? i did a short [perhaps too short] read on horn loaded drivers a few days ago and apparently the problem is down to the horn resonating and colouring the sound. im thinking it resonates and colours the higher frequencies  unsure.gif
i think its best if we agree to disagree on the hifi/computer speaker part whistling.gif laugh.gif
edited ugly spelling errors  laugh.gif
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silon. now in rush. will read ur post back and reply soon. perhaps tomorrow

QUOTE(Godek @ Sep 19 2006, 12:44 AM)
hehe thank guy cos made my thread happening with information and comparison from audiophile...btw, i already bought mx5021 not gmx...cos for my ear..mx5021 sound good for me...and my target is to get mx5021 not gmx hehe...

p/s : your post can help other people beside me to choose mx5021 or gmx cos there price is not much diff...
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good choise... IMHO MX5021 is pretty decent.

silon about twin drive part. it make the mid range spread wider... and some placed need power, like suddent loud, it handel pretty well.....
will think back and tell u what's different.

about why i got 2 X mp220. i have to admit i some how enjoy it's mid range. when i doing soldering cable /study, i will use it to play some vocal heavy song, classical, musical . and i quite enjoy it.
and i buy another set to keep. =)
and i am a note book user. so i get portable speaker. As simple as that =)

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post Sep 23 2006, 09:03 PM

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QUOTE(Silon @ Sep 18 2006, 10:41 PM)
well, i suppose in a way, its only natural. i mean, how many multimedia speakers out there ship with the *right* amounts of bass? even the aegoM has slightly elevated bass levels. the bass bloat is bound to get in the way of the midrange right laugh.gif

btw did you notice anything different [or anything at all, lol] with the twin drivers in the sats? was there any difference in terms of the sensation and overall feel of music?
OH, youre gonna do the with/without cable change comparison yourself? GREAT! thanks alot!  thumbup.gif
oh and btw, if i wanted them, how much do they cost and most importantly of all, where do i get them?
hmmmm ive had the aegoM+0404+celine dion shoutings before and i can assure you, theyre werent fun AT ALL  shakehead.gif

i still wonder whether this is caused by the horn loaded tweeter on the mx5021? i did a short [perhaps too short] read on horn loaded drivers a few days ago and apparently the problem is down to the horn resonating and colouring the sound. im thinking it resonates and colours the higher frequencies  unsure.gif
i think its best if we agree to disagree on the hifi/computer speaker part whistling.gif laugh.gif
edited ugly spelling errors  laugh.gif
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by the way. i think... with the treble and bass level set to neutral at MX5021. the horn isn't colouring the sound quite much. and IMHO, as bright as ATP3. but slightly over power... very slightly. if can custom replace the caps inside the tweeter to tame it down. should be perfect. some how i quite like the twin drive mid range. it provide power compare to singel drive. where it can pump out some sound all in suddent... and can feel the power. especially when plucking the guitar string, it can feel how hard the people plug it. ( of course, AM also can hear =P)
and it's less distortion compare to singel drive. (1 drive lawan 2 drive, sure 2 drive win) some more. when compare to bigger driver speaker. the 2 X 3 " did provide more detail sound, i believe smaller drive can move faster in this case.
so twin drive i assume it can provide some detail than single bigger drive, and also provide louder sound than singel drive which is same size.


QUOTE(CGLegacy @ Sep 21 2006, 04:51 PM)
hmm... i think there are some cases where... you bought a speaker... listen for it a few times and then u love it.... but later... u feel the other way....
and there are also cases where u hate the sound when u first heard it.... or just not satisfying enough.... but then later u will feel that ur ears love that same produced sound of the same speaker.... weird huh??? some people notice it while their speakers go through the "burn-in" process... others may only felt the psychology change in them.... so it is still up to them... their ears and their mind... how they want to receive the new sound... and get used to it....
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but most of the time, if the person really used to the song, and love how the song sound like on his own systems. when he test it out on different speaker, he can immediately tells the different, as he always listen to the same song, and got strong memory about the song. and how it should sound like... in my case. if i don't like the speaker from first listening, i won't change much. i already make my self try to accept GMX and some model of edifier before i buy AM. (to save some money). but after all. i rather use back my old model altec lansing ACS295. or else i buy those i really like. i can't force my self, or persuate myself to love some sound. as least i can't accept GMX for almost 2 years arleady. tried time to time once i have chances, either in shop, or my fren unit.


QUOTE(techdroid @ Sep 23 2006, 03:30 PM)
newbie question here, what is the difference if a speaker is thx certified or not? in this case the klipsch is not while the al is. how does these two speakers compare to al cs21?
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THX is certified by lucas film that the speaker are capable to produce some effect accroding to what they want when they record the sound signal. do some search on google or wikipedia. there's a lot regarding this, and very detail explaination.
PS : BOTH MX5021 and GMXa 2.1 are THX certified.
and THX isn't everythings about good sound. =) there's tons of non thx certified speaker might sound better than those with THX.

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post Sep 24 2006, 09:42 PM

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QUOTE(quinzzy @ Sep 23 2006, 10:54 PM)
izzit a waste to buy good speaker without good soundcard?? i'm using laptop and dunno wat is the brand of the sound card....
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nah. it's investment...

QUOTE(saiga @ Sep 24 2006, 02:56 AM)
I myself cannot accept edifier though...PLEASE,no need to be angry.this is MY PERSONAL TASTE  notworthy.gif
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well different taste.. =)
i personally can't accept all edifier. except mp220. =P
taste problem.


silon. about the detail of the MX5021 is not compare agains AEGO M. =P
it's compare to normal drive.
but AEGO M is extra ordinary case where singel drive has more detail then twin drive.
sorry for confuse.


 

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