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 Multiple Signs of Malaysia Property Bubble V12, Areas Klang valley & Johor

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post Nov 1 2014, 10:10 PM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Nov 1 2014, 09:48 PM)
Joining herd during bull run til the end is certain to be underwater.
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I am puzzled if one don't join during bull run, you mean show join during bear crawl ??

You yourself join during bull run but exit while price going up, so now price continue ro go up you can't afford to join in round 2, you thought bull is over sell off everything, now you are houseless, with that peanuts profit you burn it in stock market, now you are literally penny less..

1st weekend after pay day, you should concentrate selling ais krim, again you missed the boat. .haizz
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post Nov 1 2014, 10:20 PM

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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Nov 1 2014, 10:04 PM)
can show an analogy which reflective of the market who undergo superbull 30% then back to normal rate of 5-10%?

the superbull run is an inflated stage, how this stage to be cool down? and immediately become 5-10% bull run?

lets start with figures like 300k -400k property, since superbull run, and time it according to time..

superbull should be 2010.. much thank you
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Bear2 why you go kepoh over 300-400K property ? your target is 740K Goodview & Taman Pusara Bangalow mah...lol

Bear2 today got take my advise bring GF go see Greenview Residence or not ? Don't buy Mahkota Residence lah, no worth the money.
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post Nov 1 2014, 10:29 PM

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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Nov 1 2014, 10:11 PM)
since a one decade has been fixed, it seems buying now and dispose it after 5 years is very good option, wonder why the transaction do goes down? well price goes up and transaction low already been known of the factor.

the BBB themselves even hear positive news like hot sale here and there, also know those are not going to work, in short, even BBB now are hesitating..

say an example, if you ask GT owner, how their flip properties are doing, they will say good, coz there are rooms for drop and price slash which result with lower profit margin but still profit ... if you ask Midfields 2 buyers, which I just meet one, he say Midfields 2 will go will go up 700k to 800k... if you ask the same Midfields 2 to GT buyer, they will give you an honest answer as to how confident the market is.

think of this way, not only GT dudes hold so long, 1 year, and still less than 80% occupants, think of Midfields 2..
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I says 1 decade just wild guess only, could last quater century maybe even half century, never know, reason i concentrate on middle eastern as they can stay here for long term & loaded, they can pay high rental & run business here, some even married local & use wife name to buy property which no need to ahead to foreigner 1M min.

The current scenario in Syria & Yemen seem getting worst, could even spread to other neighbour, who knows eventually another Ottoman empire in making.

Bear2 that's why i told you you studies base on local middle income is inaccurate, you are also compete with Middle East Loaded Refugees.


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post Nov 1 2014, 10:39 PM

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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Nov 1 2014, 10:21 PM)
dun worry, I know what to do... i am interested to know the superbull and bull run by bro showtime..
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Showtime747 fatt tat he will not shares with you, he pokai also he is not going to borrow from you, why bother ?

Concentrate on buying your own shelter for marriage lah..

You shouldn't wauy rill end of next year, tries to see got people wanna cash in before CNY next year, maybe can get some good deal, all those advertised online usually tak boleh pakai one, call up a few agent ask them to look out for you, good stuff will not make it to online portal one.
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post Nov 1 2014, 10:49 PM

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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Nov 1 2014, 10:31 PM)
wah very far , very very very far... but they stay in condo/service apartment/outskirt landed? this is our concern right?

they could come here also and nest as 'ISIS" right?
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Those property near UIA consider outskirt or not ?

If they keep on buying & renting prime location, maybe eventually Bear2 need to move to outskirt laio..kekeke

Rawang, Semenyih, Not considered outskirt lah ! maybe Kuala Selangor is.

But why you worried over outskirts ? you are targeting 30km radius of KLCC mah.

Don't loss focus, Don't kepoh other people investment,.
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post Nov 2 2014, 12:08 AM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Nov 1 2014, 11:18 PM)
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You didn't buy your 3rd property because you don't have enough cash for downpayment and couldn't get bank loan.
The herd is blinded by greed, couldn't accept or understand behaviour economy. However, will explain after the bull run has ended.

Btw, the Dow and S&P 500 close at record levels on 31st October 2014.
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DP & Bank loan no problem, can't choose between closer to city smaller unit & slight further bigger unit...hmm

So when bull run ended ? i also very tired chasing the bull, seem like this is Energizer bull or nuclear powered bull, keep on going & going.

US & Spain bull last 5 years only, our bull 6th year still going strong, no sign of slowing down nor stop.


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QUOTE(Jliew168 @ Nov 1 2014, 11:51 PM)
Student why u less active nowadays ? Very bz with your part time ?
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Waa never know now ice cream so expensive even on sales, i poor fags eat Wallls, Magnolia & Ais Krim potong only. .

Ice cream also bubble, better boycott it untill the bull run end... or else i will be considered as herd members. ..kekeke
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post Nov 2 2014, 09:53 AM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Nov 2 2014, 01:35 AM)
If uuu claimed property price tripled in last 3 years is true, your indecisiveness could have costed you enormously.

The longer and higher the bull run, the harder the fall. Come it will be and always earlier than expected.
Typical behaviour of herd blinded by greed, don't know what they are consuming; walls, magnolia, ais krim potong contents hardly any dairy, is illegal to label as ice cream in e.u and u.s.a.
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Not really lah ! Actually not yet open for sales yet just that i know it coming soon, high possibly before end of the year, so what not yet sell how to late ? Now only register of interest stage.

Anyway is for investment so not crucial if missed it also, unlike people who have no house yet or people who have house previously but sold of to gamble price will come down, now hold small sum of money cannot afford to buy for own stay.. hehe

Never mind lah ! Me no fan of ice cream anyway, most if not all asian had certain degree of lactose intolerance, to much milk not good for our stomach, anyway which outlet you work in ? We gathered & go support your real milk ice cream & if boss not around we can shares your previous fail investment, thats the only topic Bear2 willing to join us.. brows.gif
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post Nov 2 2014, 10:18 AM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Nov 2 2014, 01:45 AM)
Historically, politicians and policy makers are known to react to bubble too little and too late.
It is a waste of energy and time to reason with a herd blinded by greed, preferred to by standing and watch.
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What you want govt to do ? Make selling property above 5% from SnP price illegal ? Our Govt unlike most western country, we have GLC which is also developer, so are you asking them to drop stone on own foot ?

By standing & watch under the bridge or from rented room windows ?? Thinking why did i sold off too early, jo not enough money to buy back, this bull run is like endless & price look like going to stays, how lah my salary from selling ice cream can't even afford PR1MA cry.gif
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QUOTE(ManutdGiggs @ Nov 2 2014, 08:16 AM)
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U guys failed to reach 2.5k posts tis wk.
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Lu lagi mau cakap, lu one day contribute 2-3 posts only how to reach 2500 like those general ask army to charge but ownself hide inside tent drink wine see dancer.. apa la lu.
QUOTE(icemanfx @ Nov 2 2014, 11:46 AM)
kv property may be the only investment opportunity for the herd but not for others.
While you are waiting for your new launch, according to uuu, you could have missed out 25% to 50% price increased. Does it mean you don't have enough to pay for subsale downpayment?

Lactose intolerance means you have high risks of having diabetic, only take selective food and seldom travel far.
With glc and vested interest to protect, cooling down measure is certain to be too little and too late. Drastic price correction is when not if.

if bull run is endless, why need to work 9 to 5 job? you should borrow more to buy.
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You missed out science class ah ? diabetic is glucose intolerance, lactose intolerance is merely indigestion & upset stomach after consuming to much dairy product.

Why do you think now ah pig ah dog company also abandoned their core business & jump in to property development business ? You can says is only business guaranteed profit kao2, which other business you know can collect money 3-4 years in advance before deliver final goods, which other investment you know only need to pay 10% downpayment then 30-40% profit upon VP ?

Offcoz need to work mah, even i win lottery still need to work mah, how to borrow from bank if no proven monthly income ? Like u meh after sell 2 property too early thought can shake leg quite job go study, but end up money earn can't afford to go into market again as price continue fast & furious, now have to sell ice cream to survive.. kakaka

DP always got lah, my target always sub 500K one, just need to wait till soft launch, secondary is more for own stays while new launch for investment purpose.

That why we suggests meet up at your ice creams stall to talk further mah.

So which outlet ?
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post Nov 2 2014, 01:51 PM

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QUOTE(CK15 @ Nov 2 2014, 01:42 PM)
Boss, need Kopi Susu to wake u up???
Need u work hard to contribute the post counts to achieve the mission. Not just sleeping here le!
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Spare him lah, he need to wake up frequently at night.

Bear2 & Ice cream opps is mean Iceman, big bazookas coming Liao, this round Japan QE.. Prepare another round of Property craze..

http://www.economist.com/blogs/banyan/2014...titative-easing

Heard China also might follow, Bear2 faster grab one before another 2008-2013 style hike.
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QUOTE(ManutdGiggs @ Nov 2 2014, 04:24 PM)
Sugar has been in uptrend in price ever since kuok left local market. One can alwiz not b herd to cont buying sugar or support products which contain sugar. Alternatively salt is Important irecipe n a cook book too.

Btw ice cream contains sugar??? Pls do tell me. Gua btc.
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Nothing to do with Kuok or Syed, is the oil ciris that cause people moved to bio fuel in this case Ethanol which made of sugarcane, in fact part of the reason why there were a rice price increase back then due to people use corn to produced bio diesel then they feed rice to cow, so it start a what you called Food Vs Fuel game.

Another collateral damage is palm oil price drop in line with oil price as demand for bio fuel no longer at peak, that why you see there is huge excess supply, now we move from B5 to B7 diesel to clear off some stock, maybe this is also the reason why Bear2 PAMA decide to sell off their Palm land in Kajang as the yield from plantation is depressing.. keke


QUOTE(icemanfx @ Nov 2 2014, 04:33 PM)
Perhaps you could start stocking sugar in your warehouse.
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Stocking essential product like Rice & Sugar in large quantity is against the law, your lecturer never teach you meh ?

Mentality still students even after leaving school, what lecturer never teach you don't know..lol
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post Nov 2 2014, 05:14 PM

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QUOTE(ManutdGiggs @ Nov 2 2014, 05:00 PM)
Of cos u can start to bake a cake with salt.

Dun b herd la. Whole world using sugar for cake. U can use salt.
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Trends now is replaced sugar with Monk Fruits aka Loh Hong Koh 罗汉果, low calorie sweeteners, safer than those artificial sweeteners.

Latuk no need sweet already lah, he got sweetheart at home..keke
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QUOTE(ManutdGiggs @ Nov 2 2014, 05:21 PM)
I prefer 冬瓜糖
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That's winter melon coated with sugar lah, still sugar.
QUOTE(ManutdGiggs @ Nov 2 2014, 05:24 PM)
Lat jiu gor I'm toking bout local market for sugar. Dun bring in global market. Nanti student ask y compare kl and hk???

Lu din listen during class meh. Red card sama lu.
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Own sugar not plant locally mah, only refined here, so we still depends on world price.

QUOTE(ManutdGiggs @ Nov 2 2014, 06:50 PM)
Wats subprime???

Subprime = S-U-B-P-R-I-M-E

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Could be a new flavour ice cream, hey Ice Cream Boy maybe this is good idea, Subprime Ice Cream, QE Ice cream, Bubble Ice Cream. rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Nov 2 2014, 05:40 PM)
yaya, interest rates also going up soon..

Seminar raises more questions about the state of property sector

“The current global economic conditions are important to the Malaysian economy, which, like other countries, has been impacted by ‘cheap money’ and low cost of financing,” he says.

He says just as growth is uneven in different countries, so are the property markets in the developed and developing countries. Prices are rising in UK and Australia, stable in Germany, easing off in the US and falling at a slower pace in Spain and Greece. In China, prices are falling while Singapore property prices are in a state of flux, rising and falling.

The question today is: How long does it take for property markets (in the world) to recover)?

On the home front, Yeah says, the local property prices are not sustainable. Prices are rising faster than income.

We are over-leveraged and any increase in debt should be in relation with our income level,” he says. Financial institutions’ exposure to the property and construction industry in 2013 were massive.

Loans-to-deposit ratio hovered at 80% at the end of 2013, with almost 45% going into propety sector, says Yeah. Banks are flush with cash, but our household debt is no longer sustainable (for us to borrow anymore). Our property loans suggest that we have reached a stage where we need to rebalance credit growth, says Yeah.

flippers manyak

Property prices are also no longer sustainable. The questions to ask are: How fast are property prices cooling? How sustainable are price increases?

“The challenges for next year are how will we adjust to the new price environment, with the imposition of GST and the continuing subsidy rationalisation?”

“People want to buy but they are unable to get a loan,” says Fateh Iskandar.

About 80% of households earn less than RM6,900 monthly, and of this, 40% earn less than RM2,000, which explains why many are forced to walk way from a purchase, he says.

Assuming a RM500,000 loan for 30 years, with a 10% downpayment and 90% financing (base lending rate of 6.85% less 2.40%), the monthly repayment is about RM2,519, says Fateh Iskandar.

He says the loan rejection rate is 35%, 30% and 26% in Selangor, Kuala Lumpur and Penang the last two years compared to 20%, 20% and 13% respectively.

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http://www.thestar.com.my/Business/Busines...ctor/?style=biz
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I told you many time mah ! house has become luxury goods now, like if you sell BMW, Maserati, Benz, LV bags, Panerai watch, why fo you care if 95% people in Malaysia can't afford ? why you care average income people forever cannot buy ? as them fly kite lah ! is not for them.

As I told you 95% properties buyer in KV, Png, JB is Chinese, so just concentrate on Chinese, ignore other race, is non of their business, they are Govt project buyer which you are not qualified, now our property separate in to 2 market, the Chinese & Non Chinese market, Private project don't really bother about non Chinese buyer as they just 5% or less.

80% household earn less than 6.9K good, as property is top 20% market, so how much ia Chinese household income. ... ? ? I am sure way above 6.9K infact 2012 survey show 20% Chinese household earn above 15.5K

So what cannot afford ? country like Hong Kong even top management staff cannot afford to buy own property, but do you see their market collapsed, didn't I told you now you also need to compete with Rich Middle eastern ?

Keep waiting & price would just keep going up, no way it will fall, just like our car is double thw price if Hong Kong, Taiwan, Triple of US, you see Car price bubble burst or not ? BMW, Benz still sell like hot cakr right ?

People will get used to high house price lah, just like people get used to high car price.



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QUOTE(ManutdGiggs @ Nov 2 2014, 08:18 PM)
Lat jou gor ur lovely pee am is manipulating the sugar price la. As well as petrol. Lu balu mali ar???

Red card gao u.
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Good also lah ! Malaysian eat too much sugar that why lot of diabetics case, short distance also wanna drive, that's why lot of overweight people, Obesity. .kekeke

Eat less sugar, walk & cycle more I ♡ PM rclxms.gif

Save the environment.

You give me angpow ah ? Thank you 2.

Still long way ro 2500 posts..haizzz
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QUOTE(Jliew168 @ Nov 2 2014, 08:43 PM)
Transaction low? Ask those in shipping line see now transaction high or low ?

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Weekend mode very bad laio ! These 2 days go see property all cannot afford, GF not joining name with him, 4.5K salary what can he afford ? he said GF + him = 10+K nett, so GF 8K gross nett 6.5K Bear2 5.6K gross 4.5K nett.

4.5K salary at best he can afford 400-450K property, problem is GF not accepting his OUG Parklane, One South, Suria Residence, Mahkota Residence proposal, GF want Green Terrain, Cloud Tree standard, Bear2 cannot afford even after pawn his undies, PAMA land cannot sell.

Now he can only find relieve in these daydream article. .poor soul.

Bear2 don't worry another 5 days for you to rest, No public holiday till Christmas. .

This post has been edited by jolokia: Nov 2 2014, 08:58 PM
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QUOTE(Jliew168 @ Nov 2 2014, 09:10 PM)
Poor Bearbear, if he continue to wait I takut nanti prima more than 500k, that time I not sure Bearbear wanna buy anot...
Too bad my tenant vacant my property today after 2 years tenancy end but luckily my new tenant will come in next month...
Damm am I good luck or bad luck have 1 month vacant unit?
My previous tenant rent 2k n my new tenant willing pay me 2.3k and 2 years contract  brows.gif

I not sure market is good or bad but I only deal with people can afford..so if people can afford that mean no unafordable issue
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Don't worry about him lah ! I more worry for his GF, later had to pay most of the family expenses.

Funny got people actually willing to pay 2.3K for renting a house, my self would take the 2.3K pay installment for 2 X 300K properties, lived in one rent out one..hehe

But as long as we have people with mentality like Bear2 & Ice Cream Boy, no worry cannot get tenants. . rclxms.gif
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https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/3392892

Bear2 look i include all your topic, now OK or not ? My V13 have all your factor plus my, so after this thread reach 2500 posts can continue in my V13 lioa.. thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Nov 3 2014, 08:58 AM)
why like to assume one? really making me pening, in laws are staying in penang /perak.. assume too much, where got meet one? haizzz... no more modal? yet another series of personal attacks not related to bubble again..
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Can be "future" sister in law mah, sometimes they are nasty than Mother in law brows.gif

Bear2 u r life example for victims of property bubble mah ! Talk2 theory all kosong only, so use real life scenario better.

Where got we attack you ? If not true you just denied it loh ! Why so upset ? Unless it's true lah..kekeke

Bear Japan Developer also coming liao ! New project at Puchong called Ohako, where got bubble ? with their QE they are loaded with $$ come here hantam kao2

Who know later our property price can match japan liao.. rclxms.gif

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