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 Multiple Signs of Malaysia Property Bubble V12, Areas Klang valley & Johor

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post Nov 1 2014, 06:30 PM

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I think the DDD has given up hope that the stubborn property price will crash. After so many years of hoping, not only prices never came down, it stil climb and climb. Can imagine how demoralising it is when they are fighting years of war and kept losing...despite the news they read which give them hope every now and then

I always curious whether those DDD of yesteryear actually recovered from missed-the-boat syndrome and bought properties eventually ?
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post Nov 1 2014, 07:26 PM

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QUOTE(jolokia @ Nov 1 2014, 06:57 PM)
For own stays just go ahead buy, when you need a house you just had to get one.

As for investment buy those with potential & easy let go/rent ou in future.

For speculators eventually market will reach an equilibrium that there are other better return gambling, eg. Share was replaced by gold then gold replaced by properties, soon there will be another investment people would move their target.

Since most or shall I says almost all the property are Chinese game, us Chinese had this what you call copy cat syndrome, when a group of people earn money from a investment soon rhe the whole society jump into the same pool & blood battles, then when the investment no longer attractive, whole bunch of them leaving it.

These can been seen like when some people open Karaoke every corner you see karaoke, when some people open bubble tea whole bunch jump into opening bubble tea.

Question is how long will this Property craze last, if you ask me is indeed oversupply if base on local demand, the thing is govt keep on allowing foreigner to stays here in long term, maybe these will last another a decades or till Middle East back to peace.

Bear2 is category 1 but he keep on thinking he is in category 3, he live in his fantasy future, I would says he is results from our National education policy, he is a Chinese with non Chinese mentality but lived in Chinese society. .
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Ya, I think even the UUU would agree the super bull run of 30% pa crazy increase is over. Now back to normal years of 5%-10%. This is much more acceptable rate and good for the whole industry too.

bearbear is making a huge mistake to time the market to buy his house. Until now he still confused on buying a property for own stay and buying a property for investment
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post Nov 1 2014, 07:29 PM

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QUOTE(CloudAtla$ @ Nov 1 2014, 07:13 PM)
Most of the DDD r milo tin kosong. Not lookin down on them but the fact is they cant afford buying prop regardles price up or down. They r bunch of jealous pipu cant stand lookin othrs making handsome return fr prop investmnt. They need to save donkey years to match dat profit. So they wish market crash to release their tension. Reali lapsap.
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There is also a student who sold his prop and keep his RM200k in the bank for future dead chicken. But the chicken ran away far far already and he cannot afford even if the chicken is dead today. Too expensive for him
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post Nov 2 2014, 07:35 AM

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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Nov 1 2014, 10:04 PM)
can show an analogy which reflective of the market who undergo superbull 30% then back to normal rate of 5-10%?

the superbull run is an inflated stage, how this stage to be cool down? and immediately become 5-10% bull run?

lets start with figures like 300k -400k property, since superbull run, and time it according to time..

superbull should be 2010.. much thank you
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Analogy ? rclxub.gif

Bearbear 5%-10% is not bull run. It is normal inflationary reflective of a consumer product. Nothing to be surprised. Just like your kopi o increase in price in kopitiam

Bearbear weekend very tension one. Always write long long and can see you very agitated tongue.gif
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post Nov 2 2014, 03:12 PM

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QUOTE(jolokia @ Nov 2 2014, 01:51 PM)
Spare him lah, he need to wake up frequently at night.

Bear2 & Ice cream opps is mean Iceman, big bazookas coming Liao, this round Japan QE.. Prepare another round of Property craze..

http://www.economist.com/blogs/banyan/2014...titative-easing

Heard China also might follow, Bear2 faster grab one before another 2008-2013 style hike.
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First American print money, then the European and the Chinese. Now the Japanese. The 4 largest economy of the world all print money. How the price going to drop ? doh.gif

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post Nov 3 2014, 08:20 AM

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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Nov 3 2014, 12:40 AM)
wow it is now with series of demanding words to point out the personal attacks
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bearbear, weekend over. You don't need to see your in-laws for another 5 days. Relax don't need so tension anymore. We are all here to have some fun only. Don't take everything so seriously lah. Only when you are too serious you will see everything UUU said as personal attack.

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post Nov 3 2014, 08:24 AM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Nov 3 2014, 01:03 AM)
Classic herd behaviour.

Japan Launch QE. Europe next?, Remember USA QE (Investment)
Preferred and must read by uuu/bbb
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Student do you know QE by Japan and Euro and China is another dose of steroid into all markets, including property ?

Another dent into you and bearbear's hope to see price coming down.

It is not herd behaviour. That is the market going that direction inevitably. If you still keeping cash, very soon it will worth nothing
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post Nov 3 2014, 08:36 AM

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QUOTE(Tigerr @ Nov 3 2014, 08:28 AM)
Firstly. If he does know how QE works....he just shoot blindly lar as ddd is not smart enough. If they are smarter, they ll not end up as today....
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Ya definition of stupidity = inability to learn

Got example from USA already still don't learn, can only doh.gif doh.gif doh.gif 3 times
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post Nov 3 2014, 04:22 PM

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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Nov 3 2014, 08:58 AM)
why like to assume one? really making me pening, in laws are staying in penang /perak.. assume too much, where got meet one? haizzz... no more modal? yet another series of personal attacks not related to bubble again..
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Wah you got 2 in-laws shakehead.gif

If not in laws who pressure you until so tension, who pressure you during weekend ? Your own parents ? Your siblings who already bought their houses ?
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post Nov 3 2014, 04:25 PM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Nov 3 2014, 10:10 AM)
UUU/BBB have their own interpretation on qe, is fruitless to discuss.
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If you dont intend to discuss, why come into a forum ? The readers at least got our points. You only splush out rubbish theory the readers dont even know what you are talking about
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Nov 3 2014, 03:13 PM)
as I have mention, I will buy by next year... not as dare/challenge but as what I have planned...
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You also predict price to drop next year woh....why so rush ? Iceman say property crash takes years to bottom woh...you can save RM100k for the same green terrain leh if you buy in 2017
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Nov 3 2014, 04:38 PM)
you predict the property price will increase 5-10% (bull run syndrome still running), dunwnat to earn extra 50k per year?
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Just bought another one last week. But i dont flip. I aim for rental one. So price go up 50k 100k 200k no meaning to me because only on paper. Monthly rental is cashflow which matters to me. Me not a flipper like you
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Nov 3 2014, 04:44 PM)
above example also show one who has no money, can get cash 500k out to do further investment despite under strict/prudent DSR 70%, think about pre DSR 70% . for so long this has been allowed, yet some jokers still say Malaysia are very prudent? starting this year ahead? also not so prudent leh..

they will bank on cheap interest and invest and invest again... buying life for the next 5-6 years..

but of course, we younger generation will reveal this market BBB scheme out.. all are debt bound.. appreciative, waiting for you points of rebuttals, hope not more trolling... tongue.gif
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Bearbear, in your example the person bought a RM500k property or RM1m property ?
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post Nov 3 2014, 05:05 PM

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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Nov 3 2014, 04:55 PM)
dun beat around the bush...
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Just a simple question you can't answer ? Where got beating around the bush ?

Let me ask you again. Did that person buy a house valued at RM500k with RM500k loan ? Or that person bought a house valued at RM1m with RM500k loan ?
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post Nov 3 2014, 05:16 PM

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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Nov 3 2014, 05:14 PM)
I feel sth is wrong, you can lay down both scenario...
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haha, you mean you knew you are wrong ?
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Nov 3 2014, 05:12 PM)
600k a bit lebih, but for ori owners and wait vp and with  DIBS can do what, a lot what? before 2014 purchase all DIBS going to vp soon

on the hacking part, as mention and discuss, valuer marking up/jacking up prices will facilitate the target... the one shot go 10% that is why withing 1 year got 20%...

but even bro showtime 747 bull run syndrome (5-10% ) yearly increae is good enough... right?

dun forget, 10% valuation jacked up during other tranasction,

say 500k, other ppl jack up 550k... then you refinance at 550k and jack up on valuers valuation fees (u think I dunno meh) another 10%, total 20%

500k prop on early year 500k, year end 600k.. double jack up..

can actually quote example of ppl with earnings and jacking up prices one...

BBB's outnumbered DDD yet.. haizzzz
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bearbear selective memory. 5%-10% is not bull run. It is just the normal inflation like your kopi peng or wan tan mee in coffee shop. Wan Tan Mee cost RM3.00 20 years ago. Now RM5.00. About 3% inflation. This is not wan tan mee bull run syndrome lah tongue.gif

5%-10% property price inflation is my experience from the last 20+ years. Not bull run also. Where got so easy jack up price one. You thought every year is 2009-2013 meh...
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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Nov 3 2014, 05:20 PM)


It seems it is uuu/bbb view is different from economists.
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Of course different. UUU makes money, but economists don't tongue.gif
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post Nov 3 2014, 05:33 PM

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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Nov 3 2014, 05:26 PM)
oh ya typo very fast... bull run syndrome is over, see corrected
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bearbear I said so many times already. You are too "macro" (btw you know what is "macro" or not ?)

You buy only 1 house. For own stay, not for investment some more. But you wait for the whole market to crash. If you expect only 10%-20% reduction, go and search now. You will manage to find one. Or go to auction if you don't mind. I just got 1 big dead chicken last week rclxm9.gif

If you wait for the opportunity to come knocking on your door, you will always be a loser. Be more proactive and don't just sit there and wait for durian to fall.
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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Nov 3 2014, 05:29 PM)
Looking forward to revisit here after the end of bull run.
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I remember you said the exact same thing when you joined 2 years ago. Many DDD said the same thing 4-6 years ago too tongue.gif

At the end of the bull run, a house cost RM200k in 2008 has increased to RM500k in 2013. Even if it crash 50%, the house is still RM250k. Do you see the numbers ?

You should have learnt when you sold your house for RM200k. But you keep on waiting and the price has left you far far away. I call this "missed the boat" syndrome
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Nov 3 2014, 05:35 PM)
means what we are saying is true, but because I am looking for 1 house , should not matter hw the market goes, but if everyone out there are buying 2 house only, you profit gao gao.. flipping alive again..

you are thinking all the way that m interest was to reveal ( BBB say i talk bad about property market) just to secure 1 unit for ownstay.. ?
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Up to you to interpret the market. If you continue to think like that, not only zuiko will be correct to say you will not buy next year, I will further say you can never own any property with that sort of mindset. By the time you wake up, you will have to pay maybe 50% more

bearbear, please learn from the failed investment story of the DDD like iceman. Go and read the V1 V5, V8 etc in 2009-2012 and see what DDD said. They said the same arguments like yours and iceman's now. So many example for you to see already still won't wake up doh.gif

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