About 160,000 convicts were transported from Britain to Australia. 80% of them for larceny (ie theft). source

This amounts to permanent exile, to the opposite end of the earth. The poor people could never afford passage back, and they stayed there. Imagine if we had that today. Imagine being exiled to Peru for stealing a rabbit or cutting down a tree. That sort punishment is extreme, no?

Prior to transportation, in 18th century UK, they executed people for stealing rabbits and cutting down trees. Neither you nor I may have witnessed such severe penalties, but they had been used. But it did not eradicate crime.

My point is that severe penalties do not reduce crime over the long term. How long have Malaysia been executing convicts, and yet the execution goes on. And people continue with crimes that carries the death penalty. What happens is that when the penalty is racheted up, people are scared initially. We see a drop in crime rates. But over time, people gradually get used to it, and crime rate increase back to the previous level.

Who here has not seen the movie where the kidnap victim accidentally sees the face of the kidnappers, and they go "gotta kill him now, cause he's seen our face and can identify us". If the penalty for kidnapping is death, and the penalty for murder is death, then it is not logical that the kidnapper kill the victim so that they don't get caught?

Why do rapists kill their victims? Yes, because they are sick bastards, and some of them may be necrophiliacs. But some does it to hide their crime. If rape was common place, and rapists were fined $300, then many more rape victims would live. Unfortunately, there would also be a lot more rape victims if the penalty amounts to a speeding ticket. But if the penalty for rape is death, then many more rape victims would die.

The point being, there is an appropriate level of punishment for each crime. If it is too low, it is no deterrent. If it is too high, it is bad too. Deterrence need not be achieved by ever more extreme punishments. Deterrence can be increased by more effective enforcement, and by changing community values. If everybody thinks it is normal to try to bribe police officers when they get pulled over, then we've got an uphill battle ahead of us.

If we have a few motorists sent to prision for 3 months for trying to bribe policemen with RM20 to get out of a RM300 fine, it would be a great deterence. Just highlight it on TV, interview them, make a few shows about them, and everybody would know the risk of trying to slip money under their license.

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It is not about wanting to commit crime. It is about how it will be implemented and it will definitely affecting other non-muslim due to current situation such as the oktoberfest.
So current law is not good enough? People are not afraid of current law might be due to the enforcement itself. Not because of the law. So if hudud implemented but the enforcement is not strict enough also will result the same thing. Again, law is just law, is about how the human execute and enforce it. See the difference?

tell me a country that have the best education in the world and it has low crime rate..its not only education since not all people has good luck in their life. Some are bad and choose the wrong turn.

Crime happens when opportunity and intention meet.

Education AND economy brings the reduce of crime rate. The Switz and Japan for example. These are some of the countries with good edu and lowest crime.

You dont see them implementing taliban moves.

So why do you even care if current law is obsoleted by hudud?

I like your points. But for me, death penalty and huge fine are not heavy since they carry no trace of lessons to the others. Just few seconds news and done, meaning short term. Their death is meaningless which for me is so pointless to run such penalty. People forget it about it in a few blinks of eye. Its not scary to protect the innocent moms and children from crimes.

IMO, hudud brings different perspective. It carries out a long term lessons for everyone. DONT steal, else this is what happen. why? u can write a book for it.

What I understand is, in hudud, when u r caught stealing, u are given warning and fine or any punishment according to the society common practice. BUT, when the stealing has become ur habit and harm others, then hudud is implemented.

But as i said, no matter what the law enforced, as long as u do no crime, why worry.

If the current law is imperfect (and it is) we can tweak it however much we want. Non lawyers can criticize and give their own opinion on what is good and bad.

Hudud, non-Muslim have no say whatsoever. Open mouth, people will say you're not Muslim, you don't know anything about Islam, you must go study Islam for 20 years, only then can back and can talk, etc ...

If Hudud is only for Muslims, then it is fine. But Muslims will say it is unfair that they are subject to two sets of laws. What is allowed by secular law but disallowed by Islamic law, get punished. What is allowed by Islamic law but not by secular law, get punished again. Double bad. I forsee clamour of "unfair". They will want to apply it to non-Muslims as well. Because God's Law is perfect and good. They will have no reason to object.

We all thought that Islamic law have no effect on non-Muslims. JAIS want to do whatever they want, we don't care. It's the Muslim's business. We don't want to meddle. None of our business. Until: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-25578348

Because we live in this country, and what the country does in our name, we cannot just brush it off and say "not my fault".

I'll give you an example. Say I want to introduce an absurd new law. Anyone with blue eyes is to be blinded immediately. As long as you don't have blue eyes, why you worry?

tell me a country that have the best education in the world and it has low crime rate..its not only education since not all people has good luck in their life. Some are bad and choose the wrong turn.

Crime happens when opportunity and intention meet.

i'm a muslim, and i am against it because it is not effective.

see my post above this.

Bukan Islam Tak Perlu Kisah


"Kita tak perlukan persetujuan orang bukan Islam untuk melaksana hukum hudud, lagi pula undang-undang ini tidak membabitkan mereka," kata Pengerusi Jawatankuasa Pembangunan Islam, Dakwah, Penerangan dan Hubungan Serantau Datuk Mohd Nassuruddin Daud.

Beliau berkata demikian dalam Sidang Dewan Undangan Negeri di Kota Darulnaim, di sini, semalam ketika menggulung perbahasan peringkat jawatankuasanya.

Menurutnya, beliau yakin Enakmen Kanun Jenayah Syariah II atau hukum hudud akan dapat dilaksanakan di Kelantan seperti dirancang meskipun ditentang pihak lain dalam pakatan pembangkang.

"Orang bukan Islam dia tak perlu pun nak kisah atau halang kerana undang-undang ini tidak ada kena mengena dengan mereka. Dia tak setuju pun tak timbul atau jejas apa sebab kita tak perlu pun persetujuan mereka," katanya.

Ditemui di luar dewan, Mohd Nassuruddin berkata, enakmen berkenaan dijangka dibentang dan dibahaskan di Parlimen tahun depan sebelum diwartakan sebagai undang-undang.

Katanya, ketika ini proses mengemas kini enakmen itu berjalan baik dan perbincangan peringkat jawatankuasa teknikal kebangsaan juga berlangsung dua kali di Jabatan Kemajuan Islam Malaysia (JAKIM).

"Insya-Allah pada 2015, kita akan dapat merealisasikan hudud. Kerajaan negeri akan pastikan semuanya berjalan dengan baik.

"Hudud hanya kena pada orang Islam yang melakukan kesalahan, jadi tak timbul persoalan orang bukan Islam tidak bersetuju dengan undang-undang ini," katanya.

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