Bukan Islam Tak Perlu Kisah




"Kita tak perlukan persetujuan orang bukan Islam untuk melaksana hukum hudud, lagi pula undang-undang ini tidak membabitkan mereka," kata Pengerusi Jawatankuasa Pembangunan Islam, Dakwah, Penerangan dan Hubungan Serantau Datuk Mohd Nassuruddin Daud.

Beliau berkata demikian dalam Sidang Dewan Undangan Negeri di Kota Darulnaim, di sini, semalam ketika menggulung perbahasan peringkat jawatankuasanya.

Menurutnya, beliau yakin Enakmen Kanun Jenayah Syariah II atau hukum hudud akan dapat dilaksanakan di Kelantan seperti dirancang meskipun ditentang pihak lain dalam pakatan pembangkang.

"Orang bukan Islam dia tak perlu pun nak kisah atau halang kerana undang-undang ini tidak ada kena mengena dengan mereka. Dia tak setuju pun tak timbul atau jejas apa sebab kita tak perlu pun persetujuan mereka," katanya.

Ditemui di luar dewan, Mohd Nassuruddin berkata, enakmen berkenaan dijangka dibentang dan dibahaskan di Parlimen tahun depan sebelum diwartakan sebagai undang-undang.

Katanya, ketika ini proses mengemas kini enakmen itu berjalan baik dan perbincangan peringkat jawatankuasa teknikal kebangsaan juga berlangsung dua kali di Jabatan Kemajuan Islam Malaysia (JAKIM).

"Insya-Allah pada 2015, kita akan dapat merealisasikan hudud. Kerajaan negeri akan pastikan semuanya berjalan dengan baik.

"Hudud hanya kena pada orang Islam yang melakukan kesalahan, jadi tak timbul persoalan orang bukan Islam tidak bersetuju dengan undang-undang ini," katanya.

http://www.hmetro.com.my/node/2186

This post has been edited by Rexalia: Oct 16 2014, 11:17 AM

>oktoberfest issue

a literal way of shoving islamic rules into non-muslim throats.

add bible "Allah" issue

popcorn habis...twisties pun jadi lah

pastu ban oktoberfest buat apa?

bahlol

tipu

Have opportunity, must take it.

who benefit the most laksanakan hudud ??

u wan ban izzit

ayam not against ur statement but rule is rule

Threads or posts pertaining to racial, religious, political or sexual issues are strictly prohibited in Kopitiam, Serious Kopitiam and its subforums.

berrygood!

WTS super ring

nice sarcasm by PAS lol

They never ban Oktoberfest;

They just do not want big billboards advertising the event all over the town;

Oktoberfest is for non-Muslims;

Organisers can make creative way to advertise the event to reach non-Muslims

However, Oktoberfest was held successsfully

bodo kariban . oktoberfest also tidak membabitkan u

This is not an invitation to do a discussion here;

This is a news;

Ever had newspaper reading habit in the morning? or even online newspapers?

Please let the HUDUD happen.......

I support;

Muslims will suffer alot if this was implemented

WTS coke/pepsi to people yg dahaga makan twisties n super ring

melayu mungkin suffer but muslim will rejoice.... just sayin'

i dont drink coke/pepsi...got ice lemon tea?

u wait i go buy at mamak then charge 6% hahahha

Tipu, see Oktoberfest. It's not promoted to Muslims yet they make a fuss over it. They succeeded in forcing it inside a parking lot, however this is just phase 1. For next phase, they'll try to stop it from happening next year.

"Hudud hanya kena pada orang Islam yang melakukan kesalahan". Big BS, just look at Brunei and Acheh. They will say "Hudud for all, Muslims and non-Muslims" after they manage to pass Hudud. Reason? Hudud is complete and perfect, peoples in Islamic state like Malaysia subject to Hudud like the old Islamic countries, fairness to Muslims, blah blah blah........

Bam! Shove it down your throat whether you like it or not.

Oktoberfest, concert, bible issue, non muslim cant operate daytime during ramadhan, dress code.

Apa lagi PAS mau

Posting in potential thread.

correct la...non muslim no need scared la..shud be happy no more rempit dare to commit crime snatch etc etc...










oktoberfest issue is to monitor those muslims who are drinking and joing the non muslim fest....not really directly kacau those non muslim drinkfest....

more or less like those rush nightclub and catch muslims drinking inside

This post has been edited by ^pomen_GTR^: Oct 16 2014, 11:27 AM

Hudud memberi keadilan dan mengembalikan kehidupan yang sejahtera dan aman. Tidak perlu takut dan cuak kepada hukum Hudud ini kecuali satu golongan sahaja iaitu penjenayah justeru hukum Hudud adalah hukum yang dijatuhkan keatas penjenayah yang telah sabit kes. Non muslim juga tidak perlu takut dan bimbang terhadap hukum Hudud. Mereka tidak dipaksa untuk menerima hukum Hudud jika mereka tidak mahu berhukum dengan hukuman Hudud bahkan mereka kekal di bawah perlaksanaan hukum sedia ada.


سَمَّاعُونَ لِلْكَذِبِ أَكَّالُونَ لِلسُّحْتِ فَإِن جَاءُوكَ فَاحْكُم بَيْنَهُمْ أَوْ أَعْرِضْ عَنْهُمْ وَإِن تُعْرِضْ عَنْهُمْ فَلَن يَضُرُّوكَ شَيْئًا وَإِنْ حَكَمْتَ فَاحْكُم بَيْنَهُم بِالْقِسْطِ إِنَّ اللَّهَ يُحِبُّ الْمُقْسِطِينَ

- Firman Allah swt surah al Maaidah ayat 42

hudud in kelantan

i support...kurang kan mat batu, mat rogol, mat pil kuda, minah sedak abe sedak

i wanna buy 2 dozens...
got stock or not...
pm me best price...

mari mari mari...beli 5 free 1

The guest should ask the host for permission when they are in their house, but the host does not need to ask the guest for permission.

This post has been edited by kernan.rio: Oct 16 2014, 11:31 AM

lol memang tak kesah pon ... sajer letak title untuk tunjuk macho.

hudud
taliban logic: disaster (natural or not) happen coz not implement hudud

pas main card
rinse and repeat

Is like implement first then later slowly involve non muslim into this big business..

i take all super ring

inb4 rip liver

minah sedak abe sedak mana bleh kurang

That's more of an enforcement issue than the type of law used.

ok. as long as hukum hudud tak berkenaan dan tak charge sama kita orang cina, india dan orang bukan melayu i am ok.

if u cakap tak serupa bikin i may curse u a tornado storm hudud bring u back to your allah.

you all misunderstood

the law is regards to muslim only
not regulating the non-muslim

but do understand that eye and ear and feel view of a muslim also need regulation

ayam wan keropok durian

I asked moderator to move this topic to Serious Kopitiam;

Anyone commenting nonsense, the moderator will HUDUD you, becareful!

non-muslim tak kesah bcoz they owez put their butt into non-muslim business.

Offtopic question;

Did you realise the Imageshack on your signature? I have the same problem when use Imageshack;

Wonder why, did they blocked direct link?

yep couple days liao....wait see first..

Those who wanted to live in cave, go in and build a society inside and enforce it inside the cave. U r free to chop , to stir fry n anything u want. Just don't come out. Malaysia ke arah negara berpresiden . Partayyyy!

so hard to argue against this.

add supermarket & shops owned by non moslem in kelantan need to close for 2 hours during friday prayers

add 7-11 open in chinese majority neighborhood cannot sell alcohol

list goes on

those who against hudud :

are u a criminal? if not why against such a law?

yes i am muslim but i dont care about hudud because im not committing any

Current PM will be in alots of trouble
You wait and see

1. We're against it because we are not Muslims.

2. That's silly. People object not only because they intend to commit crimes. Suppose I were to propose that we make the penalty for litterbugs be guilotine for their first born child as soon as the child reaches 20 years of age. You say you don't that (it's too harsh, the child is innocent, or whatever) and I ask you "do you object because you plan to become a litterbug"?

3. Yes we plan to commit crimes. We plan to eat things that are haram. We plan to eat during puasa month. We don't want to go to the mosque to pray. We don't want to wear purdah. If I hire a male driver, I don't want to have to hire a female one to drive my wife when I'm not in the car.

if a muslim robs a non muslim, with no muslim witnesses around, can the muslim be punished? since they require muslim witnesses?

u are being watched...

Can use secular law. Muslims are still subject to the regular laws right? So even if Shariah says nothing about the OSA ...

The question arises if the same crime is covered by both Shariah and secular law. What if the standard of proof differs (as you pointed out above). Or the severity of punishment differs. Who gets to choose which law to apply? Does the accused get to choose or is he punished twice for the same crime?

i never see any law like hudud people so very afraid of...this means this is called real law. not even implemented, people already scared to death, not to mention to those peragut, perogol, penyamun, pencuri. As long as u do no crime, nothing to be afraid of.

lol... hudud wont be effective, so no need implement it. We even have death sentence, but ppl still kill and distribute drugs anyway.

You dont eradicate crime by instilling fear in people, hudud is a wrong approach. What we need is to have more education and make economy better.

i'm a muslim, and i am against it because it is not effective.

see my post above this.

Go google Brunei and hudud, you will know why.
Then google Pakistan, sharia law, blasphemy law, you will know why.
Both countries carry out sharia law and it effects the non muslims, in Pakistan, effect a LOT.

I strongly agree on improving education and economy.

This post has been edited by Cryptic: Oct 19 2014, 06:27 PM

tell me a country that have the best education in the world and it has low crime rate..its not only education since not all people has good luck in their life. Some are bad and choose the wrong turn.

Crime happens when opportunity and intention meet.

About 160,000 convicts were transported from Britain to Australia. 80% of them for larceny (ie theft). source

This amounts to permanent exile, to the opposite end of the earth. The poor people could never afford passage back, and they stayed there. Imagine if we had that today. Imagine being exiled to Peru for stealing a rabbit or cutting down a tree. That sort punishment is extreme, no?

Prior to transportation, in 18th century UK, they executed people for stealing rabbits and cutting down trees. Neither you nor I may have witnessed such severe penalties, but they had been used. But it did not eradicate crime.

My point is that severe penalties do not reduce crime over the long term. How long have Malaysia been executing convicts, and yet the execution goes on. And people continue with crimes that carries the death penalty. What happens is that when the penalty is racheted up, people are scared initially. We see a drop in crime rates. But over time, people gradually get used to it, and crime rate increase back to the previous level.

Who here has not seen the movie where the kidnap victim accidentally sees the face of the kidnappers, and they go "gotta kill him now, cause he's seen our face and can identify us". If the penalty for kidnapping is death, and the penalty for murder is death, then it is not logical that the kidnapper kill the victim so that they don't get caught?

Why do rapists kill their victims? Yes, because they are sick bastards, and some of them may be necrophiliacs. But some does it to hide their crime. If rape was common place, and rapists were fined $300, then many more rape victims would live. Unfortunately, there would also be a lot more rape victims if the penalty amounts to a speeding ticket. But if the penalty for rape is death, then many more rape victims would die.

The point being, there is an appropriate level of punishment for each crime. If it is too low, it is no deterrent. If it is too high, it is bad too. Deterrence need not be achieved by ever more extreme punishments. Deterrence can be increased by more effective enforcement, and by changing community values. If everybody thinks it is normal to try to bribe police officers when they get pulled over, then we've got an uphill battle ahead of us.

If we have a few motorists sent to prision for 3 months for trying to bribe policemen with RM20 to get out of a RM300 fine, it would be a great deterence. Just highlight it on TV, interview them, make a few shows about them, and everybody would know the risk of trying to slip money under their license.

This post has been edited by dkk: Oct 20 2014, 11:13 AM

I like your points. But for me, death penalty and huge fine are not heavy since they carry no trace of lessons to the others. Just few seconds news and done, meaning short term. Their death is meaningless which for me is so pointless to run such penalty. People forget it about it in a few blinks of eye. Its not scary to protect the innocent moms and children from crimes.

IMO, hudud brings different perspective. It carries out a long term lessons for everyone. DONT steal, else this is what happen. why? u can write a book for it.

What I understand is, in hudud, when u r caught stealing, u are given warning and fine or any punishment according to the society common practice. BUT, when the stealing has become ur habit and harm others, then hudud is implemented.

But as i said, no matter what the law enforced, as long as u do no crime, why worry.

I got ice cold Ribena with sprite and a can of Pringles Ori bought in HK.

So why do you even care if current law is obsoleted by hudud?

Education AND economy brings the reduce of crime rate. The Switz and Japan for example. These are some of the countries with good edu and lowest crime.

You dont see them implementing taliban moves.

good point. no deny.

If the current law is imperfect (and it is) we can tweak it however much we want. Non lawyers can criticize and give their own opinion on what is good and bad.

Hudud, non-Muslim have no say whatsoever. Open mouth, people will say you're not Muslim, you don't know anything about Islam, you must go study Islam for 20 years, only then can back and can talk, etc ...

If Hudud is only for Muslims, then it is fine. But Muslims will say it is unfair that they are subject to two sets of laws. What is allowed by secular law but disallowed by Islamic law, get punished. What is allowed by Islamic law but not by secular law, get punished again. Double bad. I forsee clamour of "unfair". They will want to apply it to non-Muslims as well. Because God's Law is perfect and good. They will have no reason to object.

We all thought that Islamic law have no effect on non-Muslims. JAIS want to do whatever they want, we don't care. It's the Muslim's business. We don't want to meddle. None of our business. Until: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-25578348

Because we live in this country, and what the country does in our name, we cannot just brush it off and say "not my fault".

I'll give you an example. Say I want to introduce an absurd new law. Anyone with blue eyes is to be blinded immediately. As long as you don't have blue eyes, why you worry?

True muslims should be obliged to the hudud as they are obliged to 30 days Ramadhan fasting and 5 times daily prayers, thus, they should never compare with the non-muslims, not to mention the unfairness. Because, once again, non-muslims must never be in the same radar.

Regarding the JAIS, me myself sometimes never agree on the ways they act. The bible issue should never happen. Their naivety is just incomprehensible and embarrassing the entire muslims.

Yes, that's a good point. However, whatever their says won't feed us when we are in trouble.

Human right organizations will surely raise some flags, but the flags should be forwarded to the crimes.

I'm too stupid to digest your analogy. sory

WTA:

is it confirm the muslim will be subjected to secular laws and hudud at the same time?

or

the muslim would only be subjected to secular laws whenever the case would involves the non muslim?

It will affect non muslims... Who will be the bartenders and waiters and waitresses? if they can't work who will serve the customers? As much as each of us want to be CEO and managers, sadly not all of us will become one...

tak perlu kisah my ass........

even without hudud many things are already affected........so why should any trust be placed on whatever they say or offer?

Because it is religious law, period. Any form of religious law that is made to govern a country is a bad idea.

That's because people cannot argue and discuss religious law. If you disagree, you get accuse of anti-Religion, or how dare you go against the will of (religion deity)?

Just look in the past, when the Church was so powerful. They make any laws they want. Bribery was rampant and the priests were corrupt. But people don't dare to speak up against the "holy people". If they do, they are labelled infidels, going against the will of God etc.

Even now, lots of people still put a lot of blind faith into religious people just because they are "religious folk". But still in papers you can read about the paedophilia scandal in the church. In the local news you can see some religious teacher having sex with underaged kids they are supposed to tutuor.

Especially in our society, how often you see an ustad/mufti gets condemned for giving out a stupid statement? People might say in private or in hush whispers, but few dare to do it because you know, he is religious/knows more about God etc. Compared that to a regular politician or NGO. People will bash him openly left and right for giving out stupid statements.

When a law is secular, it means it is created by humans and is not perfect, it can be discussed. Different people can discuss, amend or scrap it if they want. But when it comes to religious law, it cannot be challenged. It's because "God said so and God is perfect" - how do you even move from the premise. Never mind the fact that often these laws get twisted by religious folk, and as mentione few dare to challenge these religious folk.

Hanya macai Umno yang menentang Hudud




Umno takut Hudud sebab MCA? hahaha




This post has been edited by Dozen: Oct 23 2014, 10:57 AM

all countries that implement hudud, will result increase in crime and rape cases.

you can't tackle modern complicated social issues with a rules set by 2000 years ago.

wow

i have nothing to say anymore

so all muslim run to KL later

Betul nak huduh ke? Puasa pun tak penuh...lol

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