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post Oct 10 2014, 08:53 PM

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QUOTE(Faidzal @ Oct 10 2014, 08:43 PM)
lel, your friend tipu punya.

ultimate civil servant level is not jusa A, but KSN.

below KSN is Ketua Turus I, Ketua Turus II, Ketua Turus III, then only JUSA A.

example of ppl who are ketua turus I are Ketua Pengarah Kesihatan, Ketua Pengarah JKR, KPPA, Panglima Angkatan Tentera (PAT) etc...

ketua Turus II are those 2nd in command level or ketua setiausaha (KSU) or ketua pengarah of smaller dept.s like ketua pengarah EPU etc...

but yeah, even ketua turus I gaji is more than RM20k, and that does not include their allowances...
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QUOTE(Faidzal @ Oct 10 2014, 08:45 PM)
yup, there is such a thing as turus 1 as I explained above.

btw forgot to mention inspector general of police (IGP), he is also ketua turus.

in English it's translated as head of staff or head of service.
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errr...my ptd fren told me Turus 1 only for KPPA, KSP and AG. KSN is above Turus 1.
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post Oct 10 2014, 08:56 PM

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QUOTE(Faidzal @ Oct 10 2014, 08:55 PM)
mana ada free lifetime la brader.

once you pencen, they will stop your PETRONAS smartpay fleet card privilieges and other privilieges.

also, you can't keep the accordana, but you can get it at harga susut nilai or harga sebelum cukai, I forgot actual term but it's whichever is higher.

most ppl I know normally don't want to buy the old perdana, too expensive to maintain by yourself.

some of the luckier ones get a free AP to import their own car or get a discount to buy a repossessed conti from kastam...
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current retiring JUSA's can buy over the inspira at about 20+k.. not too sure of the exact figure.
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post Oct 10 2014, 08:59 PM

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QUOTE(LTZ @ Oct 10 2014, 08:57 PM)
Yeah right.....its here u can refer to this....

http://protokolum.blogspot.com/2009/02/sus...tamaan.html?m=1
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you're wrong bro. IGP and PAT is Turus II. only got three Turus 1 officers.


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post Oct 10 2014, 09:08 PM

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QUOTE(Faidzal @ Oct 10 2014, 09:01 PM)
your comprehension is bad.

I did mention that ksn level is above all.

also, your friend must be ptd only like you. I guess you ppl rarely if ever mix around with other ppl not from your scheme.

IGP, PAT and some of the ketua pengarah who are also ketua perkhidmatan (head of service) are turus I as well.

by AG I assume you meant the attorney general, who is the ketua perkhidmatan for legal service (L scheme).
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macha...u google sikit la.. simpan ego aside. i just did a simple google and this came on my first hit.

"YB Tuan Wee Choo Keong (Wangsa Maju) minta Menteri Pelajaran kenapakah Ketua Pengarah Pelajaran yang merupakan Ketua Perkhidmatan kepada lebih daripada 400,000 pegawai perkhimatan pelajaran berada di Grad Turus 3 berbanding dengan Panglima Angkatan Tentera dan Ketua Polis Negara yang juga merupakan ketua perkhidmatan yang berada di dalam Grad Turus 2?"
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post Oct 10 2014, 09:11 PM

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QUOTE(Faidzal @ Oct 10 2014, 09:05 PM)
well, he was the former DG of JKR before he was 'demoted' to the post of CIBD CEO.

he was suppose to stay in the post but apparently some of the other higher level civil servants (I heard it was the KSN) was intimidated by his ability and relative young age, so he was 'shafted' to the CIBD post.

besides, he is also an adjunct professor of the privatised IKRAM (now known as Infrastructure University).
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Judin was "demoted" but he gave a fight and finally the gomen gave him a promotion based on grade from turus III to turus II.

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post Oct 10 2014, 09:18 PM

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QUOTE(LTZ @ Oct 10 2014, 09:11 PM)
Doesnt matter.....but IGP & PAT seniority is higher...even higher than deputy ministers. But now becoz they are not politicians they need to bow to deputy ministers.
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but we were talking bout grade. why la shifting goalpost? cool2.gif anyway i list abit from what i know lar. got this from a blog. http://pandaman-demimasa.blogspot.com/2010...i-kerajaan.html



Ketua Setiausaha Negara Gred VU 1
Peguam Negara - Utama Turus I
Ketua Pengarah Perkhidmatan Awam -Utama Turus I
Ketua Setiausaha Kementerian Kewangan -Turus I
Panglima Angkatan Tentera -Utama Turus II
Ketua Polis Negara (IGP) -Utama Turus II
Ketua Pengarah Kesihatan -Utama Turus II
Ketua Audit Negara -Utama Turus II
Akauntan Negara -Utama Turus III
Ketua Hakim Syariee -Utama Turus III
Ketua Pengarah Pelajaran -Utama Turus III
Ketua Pengarah Kerja Raya -Utama Turus III
Ketua Pengarah Kastam DiRaja -Utama Turus III
Ketua Pengarah Jabatan Pengajian Tinggi -Utama Turus III
Ketua Pengarah Unit Perancangan Ekonomi -Utama Turus III
Ketua Pengarah Unit Penyelarasan Pelaksanaan -Utama Turus III
Ketua Pengarah Mampu -Utama Turus III
Ketua Pesuruhjaya SPRM -Utama Turus III

Yang disenaraikan adalah ketua jabatan bergred Turus ke atas manakala lain-lain ketua jabatan adalah bergred Jusa A / Jusa B dan Jusa C serta gred 54/52.

Lain-lain Ketua Setiausaha Kementerian adalah bergred TURUS III kecuali KSU Kementerian Pelancongan, KSU Kementerian Wilayah Persekutuan, KSU Kementerian Belia & Sukan, KSU Kementerian Sumber Manusia dan KSU Kementerian Pembangunan Wanita Bergred Jusa A. Semua KSU adalah dari golongan Pegawai Tadbir Dan Politik (PTD).
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post Oct 10 2014, 09:20 PM

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QUOTE(Faidzal @ Oct 10 2014, 09:14 PM)
itu lama punya cerita, wee choo keong pun sudah tak berani masuk bertanding kat wangsa maju.

I recall that the previous IGP (ismail omar) retired holding turus I rank, same goes for musa Hassan who was extended via contract for so many years.

also the current PAT has been in his post for so long, for sure they will have no choice but to elevate him to turus I level.

usually for special cases they will give something like 'khas untuk penyandang' or KUP level to ppl who have held the post for so long.

meaning the grade is for him/her alone, once he/she retires the person who gets the post will start at the original turus II or turus III level as the post dictates...
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KUP tak kira bro... i was talking bout the positions original grade.
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post Oct 10 2014, 09:21 PM

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QUOTE(abcde90 @ Oct 10 2014, 09:19 PM)
Cuba teka skim awam mana yg paling ramai officer poyo?

skim u?
Skim ud?
Skim N ?
Skim M ?
Skim J?
Skim W?
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semua skim ada officer poyo bro... dont la separate based on skim. outside world look at us at civil servant as a whole.... we do our best je..
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post Oct 10 2014, 09:56 PM

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QUOTE(gogocan @ Oct 10 2014, 09:47 PM)
OnG all jusa level laa..still young somemore..no big deal.
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my gf sister working in OnG, age 32. just got her increment letter startin oct salary 20k plus.. no joke.

QUOTE(Haters_Gonna_H8 @ Oct 10 2014, 09:48 PM)
if perdana, sure lama dah pencen ni, skrg depa pakai inspira
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perdana exec was still being used till the accordana came in. the inspira replaced the normal perdana.

QUOTE(fingercrackg @ Oct 10 2014, 09:49 PM)
anyone know which grade that receive full salary even in their pencen?
and grade that receive pencen pass to couples of their generation even after they are dead?  unsure.gif
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i tink most of the jawatan with negara behind.

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post Oct 10 2014, 10:00 PM

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QUOTE(Faidzal @ Oct 10 2014, 09:54 PM)
tun haniff omar was the IGP at the age of 35.

meaning he reached turus II level while other ppl are probably at grade 44/48 only when compared to him.

and hence that is why an IGP can be a Turus I level, surely haniff omar was not taking only a turus II salary during the next 20 years of his service?
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KUP is different than gred hakiki jawatan. SUB can be turus also but it doesnt reflect the real grade for the post. yeah other skims are coming in ptd's jobscope as in KSU etc. but for me it doesnt matter. as long the job is done with perfection. competition is good in a way. whats important is the job gets done! If ptd really good, they will accept the challenge.
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post Oct 10 2014, 10:03 PM

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QUOTE(PrincZe @ Oct 10 2014, 10:02 PM)
wow, im 23 already. dont think got chance to join.

but join, gaji macam siput =.=
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try joinin before 30. coz max pencen is 30yrs service. masuk kastam la. their new payscale like very high.
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post Oct 10 2014, 10:13 PM

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QUOTE(Faidzal @ Oct 10 2014, 10:05 PM)
dude, the law of pension is that you receive max. 1/2 of your last drawn salary.

and that means if your salary rm10k but w/ allowance becomes rm18k, you still get only rm5k as your last drawn salary is still only rm10k.

and the only ppl who can get your pension in case you died is your spouse and/or children below the age of 18.

and full pension (1/2 of last drawn salary) is only for 25 years, after 25 years if you or your spouse are still living the amount of pension will be revised (maybe only 1/3 of last drawn salary, I'm not too sure of the calculations).

that's why you have all these stories of 100 year old pensioners complaining that they cannot survive on their pension, as probably their pension is only rm100-200/mth only.

my mom in law receives my late father-in-law's pension, her pension is only rm1000 (schoolteacher what do you expect?).

still can't qualify for BR1M anyway, that's why we live with her or else she can't survive in KL...
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I thought 3/5 of ur last drawn basic salary?
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post Oct 10 2014, 10:32 PM

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QUOTE(PrincZe @ Oct 10 2014, 10:08 PM)
ok, thanks. i will try and see. but im doing IT wor.

do they even take different field people into their work force?
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any field with bachelors degree honours can apply. some of my colleagues got literature arts degree.

QUOTE(Faidzal @ Oct 10 2014, 10:13 PM)
yeah I understand.

the gred hakiki nowadays is more of a guideline, meaning if someone got promoted from SUB to KSU, even though his/her old grade was jusa c or jusa b, but because the ksu comes with turus iii or turus ii grade, he/she automatically gets that grade.

and as I mentioned, if you stay long enough in the post you will be promoted beyond your gred hakiki, but only personal to holder (khas untuk penyandang).

once you leave the post, it reverts back to the original grade.

but very rarely I've heard of an sub who is turus grade.

my wife told me the previous ketua pengarah kesihatan (the one who got caught khalwat with a staff nurse) kept his turus II salary despite his job being suspended...
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u should know gettin KUP is rare unless working damn long or ur boss really suka u. usually ur position will tally with the grade.

QUOTE(Faidzal @ Oct 10 2014, 10:20 PM)
maybe they revised it, but I malas to check JPA.gov.my page.

tbh my mom and dad are govt. pensioners, but they're not ptds.

yeah they wished that I became one, took the exam and the 3 day assessment at IKWAS and interview, passed all but didn't accept the offer letter that time (12 years ago) because I liked my previous job then.

what's past is past...
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where u based now?

QUOTE(kaihnsn @ Oct 10 2014, 10:23 PM)
RM13-15K if termasuk elaun lah.
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nope..around RM8k including elauns.

QUOTE(Faidzal @ Oct 10 2014, 10:23 PM)
mana ada, refer to my earlier post.

full pension just means 1/2 or 3/5 of your last drawn salary. exact calculations, please refer to jpa website.

btw my wife mentioned about the golden handshake thingy, something about a cash reward for not taking so many annual leave?
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there are officers who receive 100% salary during pencen. but reserved for really high post like KSN etc. if im not wrong lar.. anyone can correct me.
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post Oct 10 2014, 10:43 PM

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QUOTE(kaihnsn @ Oct 10 2014, 10:37 PM)
wei gred 44 yang servis ~ 15 tahun pun basic salary rm4300 lah. apahal jusa c 8000 elaun including mana masuk akal.
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I referring to gred52.

QUOTE(SlowCiken @ Oct 10 2014, 10:38 PM)
That golden handshake max 150 days rite
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GCR max 150 days. Gratuity gt Sumore calculations based on year of service.
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post Oct 10 2014, 11:33 PM

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QUOTE(Faidzal @ Oct 10 2014, 10:45 PM)
lel my wife pointed me to the pencen website:

http://www.jpapencen.gov.my/persaraan_wajib.html

her GCR can reach RM150k if she got rm20k salary (I just input that for fun).

oh, the golden handshake is ganjaran, not gantian cuti rehat, I think we got it mixed up.

but still her ganjaran is rm547k lelelelel
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good website la.. good for upcming retirees.
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post Oct 11 2014, 10:11 AM

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QUOTE(adlans @ Oct 11 2014, 04:35 AM)
Bigger salary comes with bigger responsibilities. Any screw up in their department, they will become the 1st one to be kick out or demoted. Sometimes they are made to payback to the government.
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this is what many support staff fail to understand. keep complaining bout JUSA's high pay but they dont realise the amount of responsibilities and accountability shouldered. mostly financial implications.

QUOTE(lucifer_666 @ Oct 11 2014, 10:06 AM)
ive heard people said that if you wanna climb the rank fast, the route is either ptd or academia, since lecturer with PhD got appointed to grade 51 right away or 52 (if based on seniority, climb from 45).

not sure if its possible to climb from 51/52 to 54 within 10 years and get the VK7 within 15 years of service though. should be performance-based or got good cable with uni admin, perhaps...

the gravy train for ptd left long ago, but academia is still there. else, theres always Kastam once its made into a statutory body next year.
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ppl keep talkin bout ptd thinking it was like 10yrs back. sadly ptd promotion is slow now. 41 to 44 takes minimum 5yrs. 48 gets stuck there for damn long coz no post. if you stil dont believe, try asking any of your ptd frens la.. so when applying for government post, pls throw the idea of fast promotion.
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post Oct 11 2014, 10:13 AM

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QUOTE(Black Red @ Oct 11 2014, 10:05 AM)
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41/44/48/52 only can travel economy class but have the privilege to enter golden lounge when flying overseas. no such thing as blanket business class for everyone. new cost saving measures.
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post Oct 11 2014, 10:19 AM

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academia go up based on their research and knowledge. same with docs.

while other skims like M and DG go up based on vacancy.
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post Oct 11 2014, 11:21 AM

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QUOTE(PrincZe @ Oct 11 2014, 11:12 AM)
hmm, but govt body guarantee pension ma..
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60% of ur basic and den value of RM dropping with inflation. Not a very interestin prospect.

QUOTE(Renekton @ Oct 11 2014, 11:19 AM)
What is a Jusa?
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Jawatan Utama Sektor Awam
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post Oct 11 2014, 06:05 PM

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QUOTE(Faidzal @ Oct 11 2014, 05:05 PM)
the current ksn potong trip so many ppl.

i believe he was just jusa A or B since he was only promoted to become the ketua pengarah to a small jabatan in the pm's dept.

but that jabatan was lubuk for songlap (unit kerjasama awam-swasta) according to certain ppl...
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Actually got story behind it. But the summary is as what you said.
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