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seventwo
post Nov 3 2016, 09:01 AM

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Apa yang korang faham tentang maksud Halal?
Is it only needed only for food? Macam mana pula dengan barang?
Do wo need to have "halal" certificate for that?
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post Nov 3 2016, 10:21 AM

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QUOTE(xein @ Nov 3 2016, 09:15 AM)
Kikiki. Rokok sudah difatwakan haram tapi ramai yang masih hisap.
Mungkin perlu sijil haram dan makruh juga. Kikiki.
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same goes to arak bang, even haram still got muslim drink it.
am raising this issue since I saw a tered in /k about tissue halal.
ramai yang bising, kutuk, hina, perli etc. why tissue also need halal. so I ask myself, why? tissue cannot be halal ke?
as long as manufacturing is confirm "bersih", so is that a problem to use "halal" tissue.
itu je lah concern aku. smile.gif

QUOTE(abu.shofwan @ Nov 3 2016, 09:31 AM)
yg saya faham
the principle/original ruling of any kinds of food and drink is halal, until you find something that makes it haram
based on this understanding of mine, the halal certification is meant to be an assurance effort, i.e. to provide peace of mind that something is indeed haram.
so basically, in the extreme example, you were "originally" allowed to eat pigs - until came the warning/prohibition. the same case is true and well recorded for booze/beer/wine and the lots. originally, they were allowed to drink (as long as they were not getting ready to pray - iirc), then came the prohibition where it became "absolutely harooom.jpg"
the same principle applies to other things, which are not part of our ibadah.
if there were no prohibitions (some more examples, which may be extreme):
- you would have been allowed to interract freely with the opposite sex
- you would have been allowed to kill people
- you would have been allowed to steal from other people
- you would have been allowed to take interest from loans
on the other hand, there are no prohibitions to trade, so the original ruling that it is halal still stands. likewise for farming, traveling, site-seeing, etc.
Islam puts the barriers of haram in place. and you can turn haram things that were halal - I mean, if it were haram from the start then you can't make it haram again right?
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Yeah. True bro. Based on your statement, the "halal" word can be widely used. that's why am raising the question, since I bump with a tered in /k blaming those islamic authorities regarding "halal" tissue. I believe, halal is not something that's only for food. Halal ni besar maksud nya. That's what I learnt lah, tak tahulah pemahaman orang lain.

QUOTE(Exeunt @ Nov 3 2016, 09:36 AM)
depends on people...

utk makanan, mmg org akan tgk for halal certification heck tapi still org islam pegi masuk chili's and TGI friday eventho demo xde sijil halal,

saja nak share exp, pernah stay UK for 2y la..cari makanan mmg susah, so aku tgk makanan vegetarian and avoid food yg E471

dari segi barang....barang apa yg kau maksudkan nak kene ade sijil halal??LEL
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tisu halal, colgate halal, pencuci muka halal, do we need those halal cert for that kind of thing. your opinion?
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post Nov 3 2016, 10:30 AM

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QUOTE(Exeunt @ Nov 3 2016, 10:22 AM)
AHAHA..i get it now

back then masa kat UK, local shop ade jual ubat gigi mukmin..syukurr ade ubat gigi malaysia kat sana...
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Syukurrr. Kalau tak gosok gigi guna ubat gigi cap babi lah kat sana. Hahaha. brows.gif
So how? You think those things need HALAL cert or not?

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post Nov 3 2016, 10:37 AM

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QUOTE(EarendurFefalas @ Nov 3 2016, 10:32 AM)
they dont need, but they can still applied eg: kena fitnah like colgate
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if kena fitnah baru request, if dont kena fitnah no need request lah ye? blink.gif
if they use bahan yang tak bersih, without telling in their packaging, and we muslim use their thing, consider boleh guna sebab tak tahu lah kan? Hohoho
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post Nov 4 2016, 03:50 PM

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QUOTE(amon_meiz @ Nov 4 2016, 02:57 PM)
I dont know if this is OK or not

Hence I say here. Instead of normal thread. At kopitiam

Today khutbah. Made me really uncomfortable

Because there's one part. The khatib (I assume without referring to any text)

Said few sahabat confirm masuk syurga cuz they drink peluh and darah nabi

I understand his point was to say. We need to love the prophet

But deep down. I can't make myself agree with that

I believe in Islam. I choose Islam. Primarily because it rewards us for who we are

The good deed that we do. That's how we get to go to heaven

Not by drinking blood or sweat

I haven't checked the validity of said hadith. But either way I can't bring myself to agree to what he said
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Before that, what is your khutbah's title today?
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post Nov 4 2016, 04:39 PM

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QUOTE(amon_meiz @ Nov 4 2016, 03:52 PM)
I think today got rouge ustad
No refer to text

Mostly about sayang nabi

Then he said. Got 2 story. Before end the khutbah

Hence the story I just told
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Zaman sewaktu Nabi masih ada, beruntungnya sahabat, sahabat dapat mengambil berkat (tabarruk) terus dpd Nabi.
Macam2 cara untuk mereka bertabarruk.

Merujuk kpd cerita khatib tu, memang ada hadith ttg minum darah tu. Yg minum peluh, aku tak tahu. Part ni aku tak boleh hurai, sbb luar bidang.

Tapi aku rasa cerita khatib tu macam tergantung, sbb dia tak cerita secara terang berderang. Macam EarendurFefalas cakap, ikutkan hadith tu Nabi suruh buang/larang etc., tapi sahabat masih minum. Mesti ada sebab kenapa nabi larang/suruh buang dulu, dan mesti ada sebab kenapa sahabat minum. Orang yang paling rapat dgn nabi, Saidina Abu Baqr pun kita tak pernah dgr hadith yang beliau minum darah nabi. Sebab tu aku nak tengok ada kaitan atau tak khatib tu cerita ttg minum darah nabi masuk syurga dgn tajuk khutbah.

Hmm.. Just like am not answering your question/doubt right? Actually I cant answer it. Sorry. For me, it's not wrong for you to feel uncomfortable, since you believe by doing good (amal soleh), that's the way to achieve our main goal (heaven), not by drinking blood or sweat. We need to know, that hadith is/are under which category. From there, we will know more details abouth that. That's all I can say.
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post Nov 4 2016, 04:56 PM

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QUOTE(amon_meiz @ Nov 4 2016, 04:42 PM)
Yes

But the extra info. That Nabi actually not prefer/don't like that to happen

Does ease my restlessness

Like u said. There's more to the story

But the khatib cut short

Thanks bro
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I prefer you ask ustaz or someone who more knowledgeable that can explain to you.

For me, I believe there is some reason why Nabi asked to throw it first, and why Nabi does not marah or melarang dengan keras after he know sahabah drank it.

BTW, you muallaf ke? Since your reply mention that "This isn't why I choose Islam as my religion"? unsure.gif
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post Nov 4 2016, 05:06 PM

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QUOTE(EarendurFefalas @ Nov 4 2016, 05:02 PM)
pergi stalk keristiyen feloship then  icon_idea.gif
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QUOTE(amon_meiz @ Nov 4 2016, 05:03 PM)
I did lol

Occasionally
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Tered baha'i lah. brows.gif
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post Nov 21 2016, 01:12 PM

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QUOTE(EarendurFefalas @ Nov 21 2016, 11:24 AM)
tariq jamel? sound familiar... what he do eh?
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Jemaah Tabligh.
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post Dec 14 2016, 02:41 PM

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Dec 14 2016, 02:41 PM
This post has been deleted by seiferalmercy because: nanti jadi issue

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post Dec 14 2016, 09:20 PM

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seiferalmercy delete komen aku sad.gif
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post Dec 15 2016, 10:41 PM

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QUOTE(mt24 @ Dec 15 2016, 08:08 PM)
Fuhhh kalo gitu bila pi iran kena hati hati la kot. Sebab sana da syiah sume.
Tp aku ada dengar dulu sesiapa yang sembelih atas nama Allah maka dihalalkan sembelihan nya. Macam geng syiah ne dia pun sembah Allah jugak kan.
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Budak ofis aku ada sorang iranian. Cun. Almost everyday minum Starbucks coffee. brows.gif
Haha! Okay saja mencelah. biar yg pakar jawab
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post Dec 20 2016, 12:54 PM

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QUOTE(EarendurFefalas @ Dec 20 2016, 12:25 PM)
btw guys,
apa pendapat 1.ucap, 2.sambut, 3.secret santa pada hari natal? harom ke halol?
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Tgk keperluan. Tgk keadaan environment dgn kawan2 sekeliling.
Manager aku christian, siap letak pokok depan bilik office. blush.gif
Nanti ada tukar2 hadiah juga. icon_rolleyes.gif
Selagi mana tak ikut perayaan/iktiraf agama dia, kira okay lah.
FB Jakim dah share, ada pendapat kata haram, harus.
Sebabkan keadaan Malaysia ni dah pelbagai kaum dan agama, kesimpulan dlm bayan linnas kabo harussss.. biggrin.gif

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post Dec 20 2016, 05:01 PM

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QUOTE(EarendurFefalas @ Dec 20 2016, 04:20 PM)
ada sos? ada 3 soalan aku letak tuh

1. aku macam pernah dengar harus
2. rasa macam harom (pendapat sendiri)
3. ni yang aku betul2 tak tahu
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Hahaha. Sumber sini

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Hukum mengucapkan Merry Christmas adalah HARUS dan perlu meraikan garis panduan yang telah kami nyatakan. Ini juga selari dengan keputusan Muzakarah Jawatankuasa Fatwa Majlis Kebangsaan Bagi Hal Ehwal Ugama Islam Malaysia Kali Ke-78 yang bersidang pada 12 Jun 2007, “Memberi ucapan tahniah dan selamat atau mengirimkan ucapan melalui kad atau alat-alat telekomunikasi seperti e-mel atau sistem pesanan ringkas (SMS) dan sebagainya kepada orang bukan Muslim sempena dengan perayaan agama mereka adalah harus, dengan syarat ucapan itu tidak mengiktiraf, memuji atau memuliakan agama bukan Muslim serta tidak menggunakan sebarang simbol atau lambang keagamaan mereka dalam kiriman ucapan tersebut.”


Kalau ada soalan yang tak terjawab, mohon tunggu lah siapa yang sudi jawab laugh.gif

Secret santa tu machiem mane?
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post Dec 20 2016, 08:00 PM

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QUOTE(EarendurFefalas @ Dec 20 2016, 07:55 PM)
btw, KWSP/EPF kene bayar zakat? aku google kena tapi tak sure bayar setiap tahun atau bayar bila keluar?

ok dah jumpa sos kata bayar bila keluar http://blog.zakatselangor.com.my/simpanan-...kat-atau-tidak/
sebab time dalam EPF belum sempurna milik kita
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Tenkiu for the answer. Hang zakat pendapatan bayaq tak?
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post Dec 20 2016, 08:04 PM

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QUOTE(seiferalmercy @ Dec 20 2016, 08:02 PM)
jangan tanya orang pasal amalan dia

nanti kita buka aib orang

itu antara dia dengan Allah
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Itu kan byk pendapat
Tak buleh tanye eh amalan org lain?
Mana tahu sbb amalan dia yg baik tu, so org lain akan ikut
Kira tak dpt pahala berganda?
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post Dec 21 2016, 12:07 PM

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QUOTE(EarendurFefalas @ Dec 21 2016, 11:27 AM)
kalau dah bayar ansuran, means bila deposit semua EPF nanti takyah bayar langsung? btw, ayam duduk selangor liao, ikut selangor fatwa tongue.gif
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Haha. Aku duduk Selangor, sempat gak singgah Masjid Negeri tanya staff zakat sana. Almaklumlah dulu dungu bab zakat, skrg pun lampi juga.
Tp sbb kerja KL, aku call zakat KL tanya balik.

QUOTE(abu.shofwan @ Dec 21 2016, 11:28 AM)
for me, i don't pay zakat pendapatan - if you guys are talking about the monthly payment type
my basis is that would be like "double taxation"
i pay RM## every month, then every one year  I pay RM ### - calculation which includes money from the balance of my salary (of course, the full calculation includes my savings and all other whatever la). so i just pay once a year.
on a more religious stand point, i follow the ruling that there is no such thing as zakat pendapatan (monthly payment type). there is only zakat maal (zakat harta), calculated and paid on an annual basis.
the common and logical argument that supports this is that in the old days of the Prophet (PBUH) and sahabat, there are already people who work and earn salary. it was never known that these people pay zakat on a monthly basis.

one can, of course, argue that the monthly payment is like dividing your yearly zakat by 12. fine, la. but i just think it's premature to pay when really, you need to ensure that your harta meets the criteria of having a full year (hijri year) completed where the amount exceeds the minimum threshold (equiv to 85 g of gold, iirc). full year means the amount never drops below 85 g of gold. if it drops, the counter should reset upon the time the amount recovers. it's also like trying to stay ahead of fate (takdir), as if you already know what will happen (i.e. that you will meet the full year and amount criteria). who knows, we might die the next day and therefore we are liberated from the obligation to pay zakat, since we did not complete the full year cycle.

but that's just me and what ruling i hold on to. not trying to force it upon anyone. smile.gif
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Terima kasih atas penjelasan. Tapi berbelit juga aku nak faham ayat hang.

Kiranya yg bayar zakat pendapatan bulanan tu, kena pastikan dia cukup syarat tahunan? kalau dia tak cukup syarat tahunan, tapi dia bayar yg bulanan kira kena recalculate balik eh?
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post Dec 21 2016, 01:50 PM

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QUOTE(abu.shofwan @ Dec 21 2016, 12:55 PM)
I mean, the key prerequisites of zakat is it meets a full year while being over the threshold.
So if you pay monthly, it must mean that by the end of 12 months, your wealth will always be over the minimum threshold. But the thing is, we never know how long we will live. It may be that we die just one day before a full year had been completed. Or that during the fourth month we are forced to spend so much money that our wealth drops below the required level. That's why I don't prefer this method.
Unfortunately I don't know enough to say what happens if one already paid several months then suddenly one has to empty out one's coffers. For sure the timer resets to zero. But what of the amounts already paid? Your intent was zakat. And we know for sure that "segala amal itu bergantung pada niat nya"
That's also why I don't pay monthly. I not that smart laa.
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thanks for the explanation. thumbup.gif
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post Feb 2 2017, 11:21 AM

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QUOTE(EarendurFefalas @ Jan 31 2017, 03:24 PM)
tapi masjid as-salam dekat puchong rilek aje  laugh.gif

literally dalam masjid = ??
dalam kawasan tetapi diluar masjid (eg: parking dalam) = ??
luar bersebelahan masjid (eg: parking luar) = ??
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dulu masjid shah alam pun ada juga buat jual2, skrg dah tak ada biggrin.gif

dalam masjid mmg tak boleh
hatta yang tempat letak memo dlm masjid tu pun tak boleh ada brochure jual beli
yg dibahaskan, yg persekitaran masjid.

bila cakap persekitaran, maksudnya bukanlah ruang solat, contohnya tempat jalan kaki ke, parking kereta ke,
apa aku faham, bila dalam masjid/ruang solat, mmg kena cegah
luar kawasan ruang solat, makanya sudah terkeluar kawasan, jadi dibenarkan.
wallahualam

aku selalu beli aiskrim kat brader motor luar masjid. sweat.gif

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post Feb 15 2017, 08:31 AM

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QUOTE(vanpersie91 @ Feb 14 2017, 05:00 PM)
ada yang kata bidaah - sesuatu yang tak ada diamalkan ketika zaman Nabi..

ada yang kata dibolehkan - atas hujah hujah masing masing..

tapi personally aku dah start distancing from majlis tahlil, atas alasan takut takut termakan duit harta anak yatim kalau kalau diorang guna duit warisan si mati untuk adakan majlis..
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Apa hubungan antara harta anak yatim dgn duit warisan si mati?

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