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aliesterfiend
post Sep 21 2015, 07:26 AM

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QUOTE(Galileo Kat Mana? @ Sep 19 2015, 12:26 AM)
Apa maksud saudara, setiap ayat adalah direct dan metaphorical?

Ambil contoh ayat ni Al-Quran 38:71
[So mention] when your Lord said to the angels, "Indeed, I am going to create a human being from clay.

Adakah ayat di atas direct (Manusia pertama di cipta dari tanah)? Metaforikal? Atau kedua-duanya sekali?

Boleh saudara jelaskan?


Kedua duanya. Bila kita kata mencipta, kalau direct and literal kita bayangkan bagaimana manusia mencipta sesuatu. Cipta dari tanah, macam kita ambik plastersin buat jadi anak patung.

But the fact is we don't know. We know that word 'kun fa ya kun'. Some imagined that manusia jadi macam magic, from nothing to something after Allah said the word.

QUOTE(Galileo Kat Mana? @ Sep 19 2015, 12:26 AM)
Isn't twcenter.net a game forum? And you were discussing evolution and religion there? Wow, you are amazing!  notworthy.gif

Strictly speaking, theory of evolution, be it ancient or modern, has nothing to do with God. The definition of evolution is simply:
"Any change in the frequency of alleles within a gene pool from one generation to the next" (Helena Curtis and N. Sue Barnes, Biology)

This is evolution. If we accept this definition, then we accept evolution. As simple as that.

Evolution has nothing to do with the origin of life. This is worth repeating. Evolution has nothing to do with the origin of life!  For evolution to happen, life must first exists. Theory of evolution is useless without existence of life.

This is a common mistake made by so many people because they think biologists are trying to disprove God. Wake up, that's neither their job nor what they are trying to do. All they do is to explain scientific facts that evolution happens!
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post Dec 22 2015, 10:07 AM

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QUOTE(seiferalmercy @ Dec 22 2015, 09:17 AM)
salam, kalau ada duit, nak gi haji dulu ke kawin dulu? yang mana priority?
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post Jan 27 2016, 01:49 PM

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QUOTE(seventwo @ Jan 26 2016, 10:25 AM)
BTW, ada tak Jew yg bergama selain dpd Judaism nih?  hmm.gif
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Jew ialah bangsa dan Judaism adalah agama/kepercayaan.

Bukan semua Jew berfahaman Judaism macam bukan semua Arab beragama Islam.
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post Jan 27 2016, 01:52 PM

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QUOTE(EarendurFefalas @ Jan 26 2016, 11:22 AM)
aku tak kaji, tapi apa yg aku faham/rasa, rabbi tu Judaism, so bila jew tak gaya macam rabbi means dia bukan Judaism
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Rabbi tu maknanya cikgu, macam ustaz lah.

Lepas Jewish temple dimusnahkan Vespasian dulu, dan kaum Yahudi/Bani Israel dihalau dari Jerusalem, agama Yahudi dah tak ada priesthood/imam.

Cuma ada rabbi sahaja.

Masa zaman diaspora (Yahudi tak bertanah lebih kurang makna dia) para agamawan Yahudi, untuk mengekalkan keyahudian mereka telah mencipta kitab kitab Talmud kononnya sebagai penjelasan kepada kitab Taurat supaya tak hilang dari dada bangasa Yahudi.



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post Feb 2 2016, 11:07 AM

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QUOTE(WinkyJr @ Feb 2 2016, 10:38 AM)
people nowadays are different
they want to know why why why
they want evident, they want proofs
or else its bullshit and pointless

realist
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Actually that is not entirely correct too.

The so called Islamic Golden Age happened because muslims back then wanted to know the why and they were looking for evidence, updating the outdated Greek knowledge and contributed vastly to the European Enlightenment period.

Sadly afterwards the inquisitive minds of the old age diisappeared.
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post Feb 15 2016, 05:44 PM

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Translation or interpretations ?

Remember that Qur'anic verses are both literal and metaphorical.

It was revealed using the language used in the 7th century (and still being used today), some referring to the past events and some are referring to current (7th century event).

It is as relevant whether 21st century or 7th century.

Did someone mentioned about slavery earlier ?

Isn't slavery still exist up to the 21st century ?

Isn't most if not all verses related to slavery mentioned about how to treat slaves ?

Does this means that Islam permits slavery ?




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post Feb 16 2016, 08:31 AM

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QUOTE(notoriousfiq @ Feb 15 2016, 10:41 PM)
So are you trying to say that the Quran should be viewed and employed today the exact same way it was in the 7th century?

What do you think? We, today, can enslave other people?
If that is your definition of slavery, then that's totally fine. But know that it is totally different from what the tradition of Islam meant by slavery.
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I can't remember any verses that says 'take salve'.

This is one interesting article.

http://home.insightbb.com/~adamwatson/show...ranslavery.html

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post Feb 17 2016, 03:41 PM

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QUOTE(notoriousfiq @ Feb 15 2016, 10:41 PM)
So are you trying to say that the Quran should be viewed and employed today the exact same way it was in the 7th century?

What do you think? We, today, can enslave other people?

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Yes and no. smile.gif

That's why I said earlier that Qur'an even in the same verses contains both literal and metaphorical.

About the question, no I don't think we can enslave people just for the sake of slavery (which I believe many have an idea of slavery based on American history kind of slavery). As far as I'm aware (correct me if I'm wrong) all the verses related to slavery in the Qur'an is how to treat them, should you have one (remember that slavery was an institution of that age, not just Arabia but the whole world) and other verses were about how it's much better to free the slaves.
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post Feb 17 2016, 03:43 PM

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QUOTE(xein @ Feb 17 2016, 03:39 PM)
I see, so it is not by muslim law that the banu qurayza was judged but by their own jewish law.
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After the Siege battle ?

Yes. It's not just Jewish law, but basically the practice of the age regarding treaties. Breaking a treaty was something not to be treated lightly back then, or even now.

Interesting article I found... QUite long to read though

http://www.haqq.com.au/~salam/misc/qurayza.html

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post Feb 18 2016, 02:41 PM

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QUOTE(abu.shofwan @ Feb 17 2016, 08:26 PM)
Thanks. The biggest issue for me is when I've finished reciting my surah and waiting for the call to do ruku.
See, I'm no hafidz, I know only the short surahs. During Dhuhur  n Asr the imam might have read Al-Baqarah from start to finish, for all I know. It's easy to wait it out during Fajr, Maghrib n Isya prayers, since  we hear the imam recite out loud. I can even find not in listening to the recitation.
We've all been there, I'm sure.
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Baca surah lain.
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post Feb 18 2016, 02:48 PM

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QUOTE(haziqk10 @ Feb 17 2016, 11:55 PM)
I found an interesting post while browsing. I would love to hear you guys opinions about this article.

https://www.facebook.com/notes/ali-a-rizvi/...52475110770700/
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http://submission.org/Rape.html
http://islam.about.com/od/crime/f/rape.htm

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post Feb 23 2016, 01:37 PM

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QUOTE(notoriousfiq @ Feb 22 2016, 06:14 PM)
Honestly, I am not a big fan of Zakir Naik, due to different beliefs. But from the lense of traditional Islam, what he did here is no wrong.

Indeed, the most important thing in Islam is to believe in God: There is no god but God, Muhammad is the messenger of God. Other prohibition in Islam, such as pork or alcohol is much smaller than syirk. So they should NEVER be in the way of someone who wants to embrace Islam.

p.s: I was shocked when zakir said it's okay to eat dolphin though.. lol.. In literal Islamic tradition, maybe thats correct. But as a rationalist Muslim, of course I don't agree with that simply.

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about my belief that Muhammad was not illiterate, (for xein & s2peMocls too)
That's why I said we must know the history to understand the ayat. We should learn the history of pre-Islamic Arabia (tanah Arab sebelum Muhammad bawa Islam).

There's a lot of things Muslims today don't know about pre-Islamic Arabia. We call it "zaman jahiliyyah", and we imagine them having no religion, maksiat sana sini, kekejaman sana sini, no rule whatsoever, etc. This is of course wrong.

Anyway, to cut the story short, during that time, one of the people having prominent role in (pagan) religion are poets. These poets (arabic: kuhhan) supposedly have strong spiritual connections, and can recite divine poems. Muhammad did not believe those kuhhan, he believed they are fake (ala raja bomoh but minus the funny rituals).

So when Gabriel came to Muhammad in Hira', he asked Muhammad to "recite", not "read". [Note, they both "Iqra" in Arabic, and "baca" in Malay, so its understandable that people can confuse them.] When Gabriel said "recite!", he was talking about doing what kuhhans do. Muhammad, who do not like the kuhhan, of course don't know & didn't like reciting poems, so Gabriel taught him to (remember, the ayat in the Quran are poetic, rythmic, beautiful language which normal arabs/humans cannot produce), and so the story goes.....
This is one of the oldest and most popular debates, what Iqra means, was Muhammad illiterate, etc. I know a lot of people believe Muhammad was. I don't. Muhammad was a great man in society, even before he become a prophet, there is a reason he was called Al-Amin. Such a great man cannot be illiterate. We need to know the history, what happen then, connect the dots, then we can understand better. Like when I talk about zaman jahiliyyah, a lot of Muslims nowadays dont know what it really is, ironically being ignorant about it.
Damn, read more, people.. that's a long post I typed.. I should become a writer laugh.gif
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I think the pagan Arabs were reknown because they recite the poems, not read. Not to say that they don't know how to read and write, but that was an era where all knowledge were given by lisan. In any case, not knowing how to read and write does not mean illiterate that time as in modern sense.

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post Feb 23 2016, 04:03 PM

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Thanks.

I'm looking for this movie just in case anyone knows if there's a nonYouTube version.

Maybe if there's a remastered HD version out there ?


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post Mar 1 2016, 10:44 AM

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QUOTE(seventwo @ Feb 24 2016, 10:43 AM)
i never imagine we can have this kind of discussion, toilet system.
bila ada persoalan macam ini barulah buat aku terfikir, kita belajar ttg adab ke/di dalam tandas, tp mcm mana sistem tandas zaman dulu.  hmm.gif
it is a good subject to discuss thumbup.gif
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Just because Ibnu Khatir didn't write about toilets pada zaman nabi does not mean there's no toilet.

Wouldn't it be strange that the people who could build civilizations int he middle of the desert can't even think to build toilets ?
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post Jun 21 2016, 02:28 PM

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QUOTE(WinkyJr @ Jun 7 2016, 12:21 PM)

but *out of topic" you cannot compare Paint to Photoshop bro
Gimp kan ada. Free jugak.
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post Sep 2 2016, 09:01 AM

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QUOTE(seventwo @ Sep 1 2016, 11:09 AM)
Boleh ke tak mencuri hak org bukan Islam jika mereka tak melakukan kekerasan secara terang ke atas org Islam? Rasa nya boleh dah agak2 jawapannya. Wohaa!
Matlamat tak menghalalkan cara. Reference yang selalu diginakan adalah masa perang yang milibatkan rampasan harta. Zaman dulu orang pergi perang bawak segala harta benda sekali so bila kalah lari tinggalkan harta kat medan perang.

Mencuri dan merampas berbeza definition dia. Mencuri tetap haram. Membunuh (murder, bukan kill masa perang) tetap haram, berzina tetap haram dsb.
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post Sep 2 2016, 10:26 AM

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QUOTE(SpikeMarlene @ Sep 2 2016, 10:21 AM)
That is not quite right. Within the historical context, perang berlaku kerana Muhammad berniat nenakluki and menguasai orang tempatan, orang yang dinamakan kafir harbi oleh Muhammad. Oleh itu kena tanya siapa yang buat kacau dahulu, siapa yang mencetuskan peperangan di sekitar Medina and Mekkah?

Bayangkan kalau hari ini sesiapa yang pergi ke Mekkah dan Medina dengan membawa pengikut dalam ribuan, ingin menubuh agama baru, lalu mengisytiharkan Quran mesti digantikan dengan kitab baru, apakah reaksi orang tempatan atau orang Muslims?

So read and understand the historical context before attempting to paint a deceptively nice picture of your religion ...
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post Sep 3 2016, 04:03 AM

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QUOTE(haziqk10 @ Sep 3 2016, 02:51 AM)
You arent answering his question/point there
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Didn't even realize there was a question in thr first place. smile.gif
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post Sep 4 2016, 10:39 AM

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QUOTE(haziqk10 @ Sep 4 2016, 01:02 AM)
Which is why i put /point there. Get better understanding of what others reply to you.
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So what points do I need to reply? All I see is statement and I counter with my own statement. Statement, without sources are just that, statements. Not worth debating.

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post Sep 5 2016, 03:39 PM

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What you hear is an opinion, not a fact. What you see is a perception, not the truth. smile.gif

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