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stefanong
post Sep 4 2006, 03:46 PM

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Yep scales and pentas will always be useful. When slapping/soloing I normally stick to the circle of 5ths. As long as you stay within the circle, your solos would normally come out sounding right.
stefanong
post Sep 15 2006, 03:59 PM

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QUOTE(Bassix @ Sep 15 2006, 03:30 PM)
correct, but you still have to learn them first  tongue.gif

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unfortunately i don't have any other sources. There is actually nothing much to study in scales. Scales are something like a definition. There is no way to explain scales. It's just like you have 2 eyes, a scale has 8 notes of which the 1st and the 8th are an octave apart. You can memorise them but not really study them as in why they are like that. They just are i guess.... But don't worry take your time. Can't learn everything overnight.
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I was told once that the division of 8 notes in the scale was because most european musicians were able to clearly segregate 8 different notes in their voices...hence in parts of asia, like india for example their scales consist of some crazy amount of notes... rather like a fretless bass where you can actually play "in-between" notes. Understanding scales is actually easier if you break it down to intervals. let's take c major. c d e f g a b c in intervals: w w h w w w h (w=tone, h=half-step/semi-tone) hence using intervals... D major would then be: d e f# g a b c# d .... there you constructed the scale... of course then you can fit in the corresponsing keys attached to it..... maj-min-min-maj-maj-min-dim-maj ...... fitting this into c major... thus a song in the key of c major would then contain the following chords: C major D minor Emin Fmaj G Maj Amin Bdim

Hope this helps... and yay tgif ...mode exercises here I come.

edited to correct minor...

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post Sep 16 2006, 09:15 AM

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QUOTE(echobrainproject @ Sep 15 2006, 05:56 PM)
seems like some of you want more explanation on scales so u can solo. scales are just scales! learn the theory behind it. once u get it, theres no such lesson telling u which note to play and how. if thats the case every solo would sound the same and it'll end up like a maths equation that music. so, read the lessons they type above, understand how it works, play backing tracks out loud and pick up ur guitar and keep trying to solo.
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I think the whole point of scales is that if you understand it, music, solos and whatever is just a series of intervals.... mathematical even. Kowing your scales and rudiments expands the available notes that you can grab and run with. So in essence theory, opens the door to a greater range of notes that you go wild with in your solos.
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post Sep 18 2006, 04:50 PM

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QUOTE(darrencw @ Sep 18 2006, 03:58 PM)
I think Satch made a bet with Vai."If u could shred faster than me,i'll shave my head forever!"

I guess thats why he shaved his head...
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hey buster, those are fighting words there... biggrin.gif Nah, I think the reason why both of them chopped their locks is that they couldn't get the right amount of frizzyness like their guitar hero Hendrix biggrin.gif

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post Sep 20 2006, 12:39 PM

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QUOTE(ian31 @ Sep 20 2006, 10:48 AM)
hey dude...let's say you wanna solo in d minor...
they keys that are attached to it follows this rule too? --> maj-min-min-maj-maj-min-dim ?

or they have another rule?
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sorry mate, my music theory is a tad weak. I gave up playing piano at grade 7 and hence I only have partial music theory and even that I have given most of it back to my teacher.

I could be wrong but Minor keys are constucted with these intervals: w h w w h w w (w=whole step/tone, h=half-step/semi-tone) hence using intervals... D minor would then be: d e f g a bflat c d. Comparing major and minor scales, you would be able to spot relative minors. In this case D minor is the relative minor to F major (both have bflat in the key signature).

Problem with minor scales is that I think there are 3 divisions: natural, harmonic and melodic... this is where things get really hairy. For lack of time and space, you may want to read up on theory books or websites on these subjects to get yourself acquainted with the subject..of course the use of modes will soon come into the picture...minor sounding modes would probably be dorian, phyligian, aeolian...

other sifus here are much better on this subject.



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post Sep 21 2006, 03:03 PM

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QUOTE(darrencw @ Sep 21 2006, 02:11 PM)
Its alright.I'm just discouraged.My purpose here is to learn and at the same time trying to contribute what i know here.So i don't see any point being joked around.Besides,its not the first remark.Anyway,if i've offended anyone i sincerely apologize.

What is GAS anyway? Wanna ask since long ago..
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whoah..easy there. anyway if its any consolation I'm not that good in guitar..heck I can't handle six so I play the bass..4 strings=much easier smile.gif

Anyways, the dim in me earlier posts refer to diminished chords...you know Ddim or Cdim. Yes, the chord is constructed: R-flat3-flat5 however this is actually a simple diminished chord... the complete chord should be r-flat3-flat5-doubleflat7.. huh double flat 7? yep... so in a c dim chord you've got c-eflat-gflat-A (flat of b flat). So how do you even solo/scale over a dim chord?? easy you construct a diminished scale!

2 ways: w-h scale or h-w scale (whole step-half step)

w-h scale is constructed by alternating w and h...e.g. w-h-w-h-w-h-w-h which works out to be a R-3flat-5flat-6flat-7double flat-7-R

so a Cdim scale you can use to sound real (malmsteenish or neo-rockish..sorry I'm a bassist after all) would be

c-d-eflat-f-gflat-aflat-a-b-c

make sure you resolve this scale cos though it sounds really cool and mystical...it really sorta hangs.....soloing with minor scales...stick to learning your melodic minors....more useful and pleasant sounding....

hope this helps ya.

ooops...h-w scale is constructed...yeah you guessed it with alternating half and whole steps...

I too suffer from GAS.....*group hug*

This post has been edited by stefanong: Sep 21 2006, 03:06 PM

 

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