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post Sep 20 2014, 04:54 PM

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QUOTE(Frozen_Sun @ Sep 20 2014, 02:32 PM)
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Malaysia and Indonesia won't attack a country due to only racial reasons, we know that. Also both countries actually doing quite well, compared to countries like PNG or Laos.
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true, but political situation in both countries can still be considered risky.. although did improve tremendously

QUOTE(MrUbikeledek @ Sep 20 2014, 03:08 PM)
Singapore considered Malaysia and Indonesia a potential threat to it's existence. In perceiving this threat, they build up their forces. Since they are a small island, Singapore strategy is mainly offensive in nature. Malaysia, facing this buildup in it's southern border, consider it a potential threat with the buidup of it's own.
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well, if not wary small tiny dot will be overrun.. build up of forces are for deterrent.. offensive or not it is up to u to speculate.. msia should focus on it real problems at hand... terrorism n pinoy

QUOTE(Dreadstar @ Sep 20 2014, 03:09 PM)
This is funny ... May the peace and blessing of GOD be with u.
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with the power of jericho and holy divine spirit of jehovah, insyallah no evil dares to come near..
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post Sep 21 2014, 10:25 PM

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QUOTE(MrUbikeledek @ Sep 21 2014, 06:18 PM)
Pinoy is too weak to be of any meaningful threat to us. And they have bigger concern with China. The Sulu is merely a pinprick. More of an annoyance than a real threat.
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kacau tourism n palm industry bro... cause fear too... our eastern bros dont deserve that
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post Sep 23 2014, 12:57 AM

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QUOTE(thpace @ Sep 23 2014, 12:50 AM)
2500kg of high explosive is not much. Roughly two mark 84 dumb bomb

It just oversize cruise missile without it nuclear warhead and an inaccurate one at best  laugh.gif
Fear yes, practicability without it nuclear warhead, i dont see the point, must easier to fix a paveway kit onto the mark84 and deliver it. Cheaper sumore

Just for fun idea  rolleyes.gif
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cruise missile? ballistic ler... i think it is supported by prc's guiding, positioning via satellite system

saudi use it against shia iran? hmm.gif

terminal not mach 10?

i think the kinetic energy does matter too..
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post Sep 23 2014, 07:41 AM

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QUOTE(thpace @ Sep 23 2014, 01:09 AM)
of course la laugh.gif , without it nuclear warhead, It just a high speed cruise missile that use ballistic trajectory without the precision of cruise missile also (cep 100m at best). Though it make interception harder and it were to land inside a city, i can see it explosive power but dalam hutan?

explosive wise, maybe equivalent to US maybe daisy cutter bomb
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betul jugak... but can also carry biological and chemical warheads right?

QUOTE(Frozen_Sun @ Sep 23 2014, 05:30 AM)
Two more new light frigates, KRI Usman Harun and KRI John Lie have arrived in Belawan naval base, Sumatra Utara

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usman harun terrorist!
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post Sep 23 2014, 08:41 AM

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QUOTE(Frozen_Sun @ Sep 23 2014, 08:06 AM)
They are remembered for willingness to follow order and accept punishment as soldiers. Not remembered for their acts.

It's unfortunate that civilians were killed, all the fault belong to their commanders. Just like those US commanders that ordered specific attacks in Iraq and Afghanistan that cause many thousands of innocent civilians killed.

Usman and Harun were only soldiers, they didn't have any desire to kill civilians. Just followed orders.
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both the perpetrator and the instigator should be condemn.. act of terrorism was executed without uniform... on a civilian building, memang ada civilian mati

same for suicide bombers, same for war mongering american troops, same for ww2 japanese n nazi soldiers.. same for kiram aswell
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post Sep 23 2014, 08:03 PM

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QUOTE(Frozen_Sun @ Sep 23 2014, 09:01 AM)
A country sees its soldiers in a different way. Many killed US soldiers who had perpetrated some questionable acts in Afghanistan and Iraq are also considered heroes by many Americans. Other countries also do the same.

It isn't easy to explain this phenomenon to people from other countries.

Indonesians currently don't blame Singapore for the executions of Usman Harun, because Singapore has the right to perform the execution. B

Usman and Harun are still a symbol of steadfastness and willingness to follow orders. It may be confusing, but both of them are respected for their life sacrifice, regardless of what they did.
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soldiers in uniform against military with civilian collateral.. usmanharun was targeting civilian.. wasnt sg at that time, it was malaya i think..

QUOTE(zimhibikie @ Sep 23 2014, 09:03 AM)
have to agree with this..captain of USS Vincennes shot down plane full of civilians, balik US dpt medal...
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did it with uniform against what he thought was a threat... it was a mistake not on purpose

QUOTE(KYPMbangi @ Sep 23 2014, 10:16 AM)
Pakistan Navy ship PNS SAIF and PNS NASR port call, port klang

PNS SAIF
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PNS NASR
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Comm. Abdul Razak welcomes the pakistani crew
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[NAVY]
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looks so old

QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Sep 23 2014, 12:29 PM)
Saudi Nuclear weapons already 'on order' from Pakistan

In light of its disapproval regarding recent US rapprochement to Iran, Saudi Arabia is seriously considering purchasing nuclear weapons for itself. The Saudi leadership is concerned that gradual lifting of Iranian sanctions by the US may encourage an accelerated Iranian nuclear weapons program. 

According to the BBC, Saudi Arabia has covertly made a deal with Pakistan, itself an Iran rival, for nuclear weapons development to use against Iran. Reports say according to a senior NATO official, reports exists of "Pakistani-made nuclear weapons sitting in depots awaiting immediate delivery to Saudi Arabia" under the threat of an Iranian nuclear weapon. The Saudi leadership has indicated on numerous occasions to US envoys stating that if 'Iran crosses the threshold, we will get nuclear weapons'. The report is further corroborated by the former head of Israeli Intelligence, General Amos Yadlin, who stated that if Iran obtains a nuclear weapon "Saudi Arabia will not wait for a month. They have paid for the bomb. They will go to Pakistan and bring back what they need".

It is known that the Saudi leadership has covertly financed and co-developed Pakistani nuclear weapons research, including the visit of Defense minister Prince Abdul Aziz al-Saud to the Pakistani Nuclear research facility in 1999 and 2002 and met with renowned nuclear scientist Abdul Qadeer Khan. Although Saudi Arabia itself is a signatory of the non-proliferation NFA treaty, it has argued efforts to ensure the middle east is a Nuclear weapons-free zone has been severely undermined by the alleged existence of Israeli nuclear weapons.

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Satellite photos taken in 2013 showing an undisclosed Saudi Ballistic missile base at Al-Watah, 200 miles south-west of Riyadh
News Link: BBC: Saudi Nuclear weapons already 'on order' from Pakistan
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to be used with df21? hmm.gif
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post Sep 24 2014, 12:39 AM

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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Sep 23 2014, 08:44 PM)
The new DF-21 missiles are solid-fueled and takes much less time to prepare for launch. It also has GPS and satellite navigation systems to ensure a more accurate weapon,even with a conventional warhead. Also this time the Saudis also bought the missile's dedicated transporter and command vehicles,making them more mobile and versatile than their predecessors.

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Saudi DF-3 ballistic missiles on display in 2014 at the conclusion of 'Saif Abdullah' military exercises

News Link: Saudi Arabia displays nuclear-capable ballistic missiles for the first time
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whose gps? and whose satellite..

QUOTE(Frozen_Sun @ Sep 23 2014, 09:57 PM)
I can only re-iterate this...

"A country sees its soldiers in a different way."
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they were soldier carrying out duty without uniforms... they were covert ops aka spys... caught dont need 2 follow geneva convention?
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post Sep 26 2014, 12:27 AM

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France launches fresh Iraq strikes as country mourns hostage

France launched a fresh round of air strikes in Iraq on Thursday (Sep 25) and pledged more support for Syrian opposition forces as it upped its fight against Islamic State militants after the beheading of hostage Herve Gourdel.

PARIS: France launched a fresh round of air strikes in Iraq on Thursday (Sep 25) and pledged more support for Syrian opposition forces as it upped its fight against Islamic State militants after the beheading of hostage Herve Gourdel.

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President Francois Hollande pledged "determination, composure and vigilance" in the face of threats issued by IS militants sowing terror in Iraq and Syria, and announced flags nationwide would be flown at half-mast for three days from Friday to mourn the mountaineer's loss......

Paris opposed the 2003 invasion of Iraq but was one of the first to sign up for an active role in the US-led campaign against the IS group. It has six Rafale fighter jets and just under 1,000 soldiers based in the United Arab Emirates, and on Friday carried out its first air strike on IS targets in Iraq, destroying a logistics depot....

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/world/...sh/1381418.html

Allies hit IS oil targets in Syria to choke 'network of death'

American, Saudi and Emirati warplanes hit oil installations in eastern Syria controlled by Islamic State militants, broadening the campaign they launched this week beyond military targets to economic assets.

The strikes against the refineries killed 14 militants but also left five civilians dead, including a child, said the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, a Britain-based monitoring group. The raids came as Obama urged leaders gathered at the UN General Assembly to join the coalition and convinced the Security Council to back a resolution aimed at stemming the flow of foreign fighters joining IS.

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Belgium and The Netherlands committed warplanes to Iraq and Britain said its parliament would vote Friday on following suit. "The United States of America will work with a broad coalition to dismantle this network of death," Obama told the UN. "Today I ask the world to join in this effort."....

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More than 50 nations have joined the US-led coalition against IS, including key Arab states, and in recent days more countries have promised concrete military support. Joining France, Belgium and The Netherlands said they would each send six F-16 fighter bombers to take part in the air campaign in Iraq....

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/world/...ts/1381256.html
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post Sep 26 2014, 08:07 PM

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QUOTE(Piap @ Sep 26 2014, 01:47 PM)
Indonesia has the capability to make their own commercial planes, they suppose be able to roll out their indigineous jet similar to HESA Saeqeh by now..
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commercial plane? they cant even build car or even motorbike i think..
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post Sep 27 2014, 08:08 AM

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QUOTE(azriel @ Sep 27 2014, 07:43 AM)
N250 is the first commercial turboprop plane designed & developed by IPTN (now known as PT.DI). Unfortunately during the financial crisis the N250 project was axed by the IMF as part of it's Indonesian Restructuring Program.

First flight of the N250:



The CN-235 is a JV between Casa Spain & PT. Nurtanio (now known as PT.DI) hence the designation acronym CN from Casa-Nurtanio.
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small production only... not large scale, that's a whole diff ball game

its like you make 2 cars n you consider yourself a carmaker... dont brain right? college kids can do that too...

unless you make 2 f-22 a year... at least ok, but for mass market planes, make 2 only... cannot la


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post Sep 27 2014, 05:06 PM

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QUOTE(meedoot @ Sep 27 2014, 03:57 PM)
i think azriel want to reply ur comment earlier sir (bold)
masalah nak buat mass production ke tak or laku ke tak jual kat obersea is different matter, the point is indo has the capability, support from gomen je masih kurang, about tech of course indo can send those engineer to other country for training or something like that..

like malaysia.. im really sure got capability to make AV8 in the future, or create other army toys, but msia gomen only buy just for malaysian army, tentu ade limit, next.. it depend on foreign sale.. kalau laku of course production continue, kalau takde foreign sale, mana nak dapat duit for the next development? it is like can or not malaysia sell those AV8 to other country ? of course can.. next.. quality and capability camne ? good of course.. next boleh laku ke tak klo nak jual kat obersea ? boleh laku and boleh tidak.. the point is.. malaysia in the future has capability to make AV8 or similar, when sh*t happen, u can put all ur resources and make ur thousands AV8 by ur own without relying on other countries..

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it matters... or not will end up like protong... can design can proto doesnt mean can mass... if cannot mass with economics of scale, might as well buy...

true... but if you want to do it urself make sure it is something high tech and others cant do it... that way mass production or not or whether it makes economic sense or not doesnt matter anymore...
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post Sep 29 2014, 12:57 PM

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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Sep 28 2014, 08:26 PM)
QBZ-95 latest modifications

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Modified QBZ-95 (Bottom) with an original version (Top)
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they could have done a better job designing it in the first time.. bottom no rail too?

QUOTE(remyzero09 @ Sep 29 2014, 10:51 AM)
Indonesia mungkin tidak ada kereta nasional sendiri. Tapi industri pertahanan mereka memang jauh ke depan lebih-lebih lagi bab pasang pesawat dan helikopter kerana mereka ada B.J Habibie, Presiden RI ke-3.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B._J._Habibie
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i see...

QUOTE(AxeFire @ Sep 29 2014, 11:03 AM)
tank is outdated

time to introduce this

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watch too much sci fi / cartoon?

QUOTE(Frozen_Sun @ Sep 29 2014, 12:27 PM)
Actually Indonesia produces a lot of cars each year....

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Not just assembly operation. There are also facilities to build chassis and engines domestically. It's Toyota engines with 80 percent local content. What Indonesia lacks is a national brand.

http://www.republika.co.id/berita/ekonomi/...ng-di-indonesia
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got national brand but kaput already... they cant design and high tech parts are mostly imported
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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Sep 28 2014, 08:26 PM)
QBZ-95 latest modifications

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Modified QBZ-95 (Bottom) with an original version (Top)
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they could have done a better job designing it in the first time.. bottom no rail too?

QUOTE(remyzero09 @ Sep 29 2014, 10:51 AM)
Indonesia mungkin tidak ada kereta nasional sendiri. Tapi industri pertahanan mereka memang jauh ke depan lebih-lebih lagi bab pasang pesawat dan helikopter kerana mereka ada B.J Habibie, Presiden RI ke-3.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B._J._Habibie
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i see...

QUOTE(AxeFire @ Sep 29 2014, 11:03 AM)
tank is outdated

time to introduce this

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watch too much sci fi / cartoon?

QUOTE(Frozen_Sun @ Sep 29 2014, 12:27 PM)
Actually Indonesia produces a lot of cars each year....

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Not just assembly operation. There are also facilities to build chassis and engines domestically. It's Toyota engines with 80 percent local content. What Indonesia lacks is a national brand.

http://www.republika.co.id/berita/ekonomi/...ng-di-indonesia
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got national brand but kaput already... they cant design and high tech parts are mostly imported
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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Sep 28 2014, 08:26 PM)
QBZ-95 latest modifications

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Modified QBZ-95 (Bottom) with an original version (Top)
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they could have done a better job designing it in the first time.. bottom no rail too?

QUOTE(remyzero09 @ Sep 29 2014, 10:51 AM)
Indonesia mungkin tidak ada kereta nasional sendiri. Tapi industri pertahanan mereka memang jauh ke depan lebih-lebih lagi bab pasang pesawat dan helikopter kerana mereka ada B.J Habibie, Presiden RI ke-3.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B._J._Habibie
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i see...

QUOTE(AxeFire @ Sep 29 2014, 11:03 AM)
tank is outdated

time to introduce this

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watch too much sci fi / cartoon?

QUOTE(Frozen_Sun @ Sep 29 2014, 12:27 PM)
Actually Indonesia produces a lot of cars each year....

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Not just assembly operation. There are also facilities to build chassis and engines domestically. It's Toyota engines with 80 percent local content. What Indonesia lacks is a national brand.

http://www.republika.co.id/berita/ekonomi/...ng-di-indonesia
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got national brand but kaput already... they cant design and high tech parts are mostly imported
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post Oct 1 2014, 12:11 AM

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QUOTE(thpace @ Sep 30 2014, 06:52 PM)
Training vessel. But china have long conducted land based carrier landing.  So for the pilot thre no problem mostly

If want go in full operation status,  it can be done but not as efficient as the crew of other nations carrier fleet.
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flying at sea is very diff... u have wave, up n down... u have wind... u have change in air density... u have storm
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post Oct 1 2014, 11:14 PM

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QUOTE(junchuan @ Oct 1 2014, 05:08 PM)
why thailand like to buy small unit of many different types and brand of military equipment???
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coz thai tak pandai perang...
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post Oct 2 2014, 01:06 PM

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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Oct 2 2014, 12:34 PM)
Thailand expand navy, Indonesia expand navy. Meanwhile Malaysia sit quietly in corner. laugh.gif
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msia increase petrol..
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post Oct 2 2014, 03:27 PM

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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Oct 2 2014, 03:01 PM)
Probably they found from PLA Navy service that the ship performs nicely and gives no problems to users. Also IMHO with 17 ships already in service with no major issues so far is a good sign from a ship designed only from 2008 and built at a rate of a month per ship. Many ship classes need lengthy trial time to iron out all the kinks in a new systems.

Probably the most successful thing about the Type 056 is because it's a basic system with conservative features; no ridiculous new tech or designs fads that make a ship spend 6-7 years in trials just to be integrated with the system and at the end of the day the, ship becomes 2-3 times more costly and somewhat outdated from its original function (see the US navy LCS project fiasco as an example).

If reports are true, I believe the PLA Navy wants to make wholesale changes to their brown water navy by 2020 and try to make the Type 056 as the main ship type for the fleet. This makes sense both operationally and logistically (many ships comprising of a single class of ships with similar spare parts & servicing routine makes the PLA Navy requisition staff breathe easier laugh.gif ). The older ships can be either kept as training/reserve ships, passed down to the Coast Guard, sold off cheap or even be given away for free to smaller navies to increase China's soft power image.

Also note that the current batch of top-class PLA Navy ships (Type 022 FAC, Type 056 Corvette, Type 054 Frigate, Type 052 Destroyer and Type 071 LPD) are only in service for less than 10 years. That gives a relative technological edge and long service time ahead of them.
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but does new mean advance? hmm.gif could be building obsolete design?
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post Oct 2 2014, 04:03 PM

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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Oct 2 2014, 03:49 PM)
I think it's all relative. I mean these modern PLA ships still can't possibly compete with US Navy right now (can anyone, actually?), but the numbers & technological gap will be closer with time (won't close completely though,but close enough if current trends continue). But in terms of numbers and tech, probably current PLA Navy is already one step behind Japanese, Taiwan and South Korean navies and already threatening to overtake them, whether the US likes it or not.

Besides, I think the age where the PLA depends more on numbers than technology is already behind us. Now it has technology AND numbers.
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one step behind Japanese, Taiwan and South Korean? i doubt but definitely behind US atm..

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